Meaning of "Real" stats "Neutralized" stats "optimize for single season"

Brad K · 08-26-2021, 01:50 PM

These questions came up in the Historical forum as topic drift and I thought I'd post about it here for a wider discussion. For example, how do players ratings differ depending on how they are imported? For example optimized for single season or career, real or neutralized, and into what year.

Previous discussion if interested... drifts to these issues about post 13 or 14.

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=331438

Following is imported ratings for Roger Maris 61 home run season. Not at all what I'd expect. And career appears to be multi year averaging even though single year rating base is selected.

Brad K · 08-26-2021, 01:57 PM

I ran the 61 season on optimized for single season and neutralized stats.. Maris hit 61 real life and is rated for 55. But Mantle who hit 54 real life is rated for 65!!! Hard to blame it on neutralization. These guys played in the same park.

Anyway, I really don't understand what's going on here, but I fear there's been something lost in the calculations.

Reed · 08-26-2021, 02:48 PM

Interesting thread. I realized that real stat ratings had been adjusted for ballpark factors but wasn't sure of the difference between real stats and neutralized stats.

Brad K · 08-26-2021, 03:02 PM

From what I can tell "real" stats are neutralized to the park factors in the game and "neutralized" stats are neutralized to some other set of park factors.

Brad K · 08-27-2021, 11:49 AM

I have just determined that importing the 1961 Yankees as a team give Maris a different home run total than importing him as a player, either real or neutralized.

HRs... real 47, with team 50, neutralized 55.

It would be really nice if there was an explanation about why this is right. But I suspect it isn't.

08-26-2021, 01:50 PM	#1
Brad K Banned Join Date: May 2016 Location: St Petersburg Florida USA Posts: 6,693 Infractions: 0/2 (4)	Meaning of "Real" stats "Neutralized" stats "optimize for single season" These questions came up in the Historical forum as topic drift and I thought I'd post about it here for a wider discussion. For example, how do players ratings differ depending on how they are imported? For example optimized for single season or career, real or neutralized, and into what year. Previous discussion if interested... drifts to these issues about post 13 or 14. https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=331438 Following is imported ratings for Roger Maris 61 home run season. Not at all what I'd expect. And career appears to be multi year averaging even though single year rating base is selected. Attached Images

08-26-2021, 01:57 PM	#2
Brad K Banned Join Date: May 2016 Location: St Petersburg Florida USA Posts: 6,693 Infractions: 0/2 (4)	I ran the 61 season on optimized for single season and neutralized stats.. Maris hit 61 real life and is rated for 55. But Mantle who hit 54 real life is rated for 65!!! Hard to blame it on neutralization. These guys played in the same park. Anyway, I really don't understand what's going on here, but I fear there's been something lost in the calculations. Attached Images Last edited by Brad K; 08-26-2021 at 03:04 PM.

08-26-2021, 02:48 PM	#3
Reed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 2,339	Interesting thread. I realized that real stat ratings had been adjusted for ballpark factors but wasn't sure of the difference between real stats and neutralized stats.

08-26-2021, 03:02 PM	#4
Brad K Banned Join Date: May 2016 Location: St Petersburg Florida USA Posts: 6,693 Infractions: 0/2 (4)	From what I can tell "real" stats are neutralized to the park factors in the game and "neutralized" stats are neutralized to some other set of park factors.

08-27-2021, 11:49 AM	#5
Brad K Banned Join Date: May 2016 Location: St Petersburg Florida USA Posts: 6,693 Infractions: 0/2 (4)	I have just determined that importing the 1961 Yankees as a team give Maris a different home run total than importing him as a player, either real or neutralized. HRs... real 47, with team 50, neutralized 55. It would be really nice if there was an explanation about why this is right. But I suspect it isn't.