Immersion-Breaking Inside the Park Home Runs

[polydamas]

I play in 1924 with modern day (2019) stats and my biggest complaint with the game is the exorbitant frequency of inside the park home runs. It makes me eye roll every time and I see them about once (sometimes more) a game. I hate it so much.





Dev Matt Arnold did say they would look at in when I brought it up last version, but apparently this change didn't make the cut.




I think the simplest solution would be to make the frequency of inside the park home runs static across era or based on the statistical year. Better would be to have the option to change the frequency.

[beepollen]

Originally Posted by polydamas

I play in 1924 with modern day (2019) stats and my biggest complaint with the game is the exorbitant frequency of inside the park home runs. It makes me eye roll every time and I see them about once (sometimes more) a game. I hate it so much.





Dev Matt Arnold did say they would look at in when I brought it up last version, but apparently this change didn't make the cut.




I think the simplest solution would be to make the frequency of inside the park home runs static across era or based on the statistical year. Better would be to have the option to change the frequency.

Huh. That's not been my experience. In the year-plus I've been playing, I think I've seen... four? ITPHRs.

[fredbeene]

Originally Posted by beepollen

Huh. That's not been my experience. In the year-plus I've been playing, I think I've seen... four? ITPHRs.

Can you please show me HOW to run a report by player, team, leaugue on how may INSIDE the park homeruns are encountered?

I have been trying to figure that out for 22 years.

Or are you manually tabulating in your own spreadsheet as you play.
Or scouring through game logs to assemble your data?

[polydamas]

Originally Posted by fredbeene

Can you please show me HOW to run a report by player, team, leaugue on how may INSIDE the park homeruns are encountered?

I have been trying to figure that out for 22 years.

Or are you manually tabulating in your own spreadsheet as you play.
Or scouring through game logs to assemble your data?

I really don't need to. It is blatantly obvious from the eye-test. I'm lucky if I go a game without seeing an inside the park home run. Tell me that's right.

[BirdWatcher]

I am unaware of what was said in previous threads about this, but it does seem like the problem is somewhere in the interaction between what is coded into the game in terms of the percentage of home runs in 1924 that were of the inside the park variety and the much higher frequency of home runs of any sort in 2019.
I can only guess that the percentages of type of home run is dictated by the chronological year you have chosen while the number and frequency of home runs is obviously dictated by the year you chose (in this case 2019) for statistical modifiers. If the game engine is trying to match the percentages of inside the park homers in 1924 (I am having a hard time finding the raw data, but all indications- and just common sense and knowledge of baseball history- would suggest a far larger percentage of home runs in 1924 were of the inside the park variety then in more recent eras and certainly than in our current era) while also producing the totals of home runs that one would expect in a 2019-style statistical environment, well, yeah, you will see a whole lotta inside the park jobs.

Maybe the game engine doesn't work that way- I defer to a dev on that obviously. But that's certainly what it sounds like is happening. What the fix for that is, I don't know.

[Bulldog Johnny Blatnik]

Originally Posted by polydamas

I play in 1924 with modern day (2019) stats and my biggest complaint with the game is the exorbitant frequency of inside the park home runs. It makes me eye roll every time and I see them about once (sometimes more) a game. I hate it so much.





Dev Matt Arnold did say they would look at in when I brought it up last version, but apparently this change didn't make the cut.




I think the simplest solution would be to make the frequency of inside the park home runs static across era or based on the statistical year. Better would be to have the option to change the frequency.

I think BirdWatcher is correct, playing with 2019 stats in an era when the League experienced a greater number of inside the park Home Runs probably is the reason for your issue.

There is a very interesting article on inside the park Home Runs, see the link below. There was a much higher percentage of inside the parkers in the 1920's, perhaps as high as 20%. Plus if you're playing with Historical Ball Parks, some had crazy dimensions which meant more Home Runs were inside the park than over the fence. Just look at the Polo Grounds. I'm not surprised you're experiencing this.

Here's an interesting read: http://research.sabr.org/journals/in...park-home-runs

[BirdWatcher]

And I need to admit that I somehow passed too quickly over this part of the original post here:
" I think the simplest solution would be to make the frequency of inside the park home runs static across era or based on the statistical year. Better would be to have the option to change the frequency."

I suspect that anyone playing OOTP in much earlier eras, with statistical modifiers that fit those eras, might not want to see too few inside the park homers if frequency was to be made static across eras. But yes, it would be nice if gamers who are using the combination of factors that you are could have a bit more control over the frequency of these events. Not having any coding experience, I have no idea how easy or difficult it would be to alter this.

[Mancandy]

To each their own, I guess. For me it’d be much more immersion breaking if hitters with as little strength as they had in 1924 were facing pitchers who threw as slow as they did in 1924 in the stadium dimensions they had in 1924 and started hitting a bunch of home runs out of the park.

It’d be nice if the inside the park home run percentage were adjustable, but failing that, it should stay exactly how it is.

[Matt Arnold]

The inside the park HR rate is adjusted based on the league's historical year, so you need to make sure that matches. Depending on your exact setup, you might need to manually adjust things around - so maybe you want to set the historical year to 2021 during the season, but revert back to 1920s before it hits the off-season so that the game imports the financials that you want.

There are some other criteria - if your walls are like 470+, then everything will be inside the park. But otherwise, yes, the historical year will be a large factor.

[brotherblues]

Originally Posted by Mancandy

To each their own, I guess. For me it’d be much more immersion breaking if hitters with as little strength as they had in 1924 were facing pitchers who threw as slow as they did in 1924 in the stadium dimensions they had in 1924 and started hitting a bunch of home runs out of the park.

It’d be nice if the inside the park home run percentage were adjustable, but failing that, it should stay exactly how it is.

Well, it is *his* 1924 version. I think he just wants baseball as he knows it (modern), but set in 1924.

[joefromchicago]

Originally Posted by polydamas

I play in 1924 with modern day (2019) stats and my biggest complaint with the game is the exorbitant frequency of inside the park home runs. It makes me eye roll every time and I see them about once (sometimes more) a game. I hate it so much.

This is baffling. You say that the percentage of ITP HRs is "immersion breaking," but you're playing the 1924 season with 2019 stats. Haven't you already broken immersion by playing this fictional scenario? It makes no sense to me.

As others have pointed out, the ITP HR ratio is set for 1924 - that's the season that you chose. A greater percentage of HRs were hit inside the park in 1924 than in 2019, and there were lots more HRs hit in 2019 than in 1924. The ratio of AB/HR in 1924 was about 95/1. The ratio in 2019 was 24.6/1. So you should be seeing about four times as many HRs in your league than were hit in 1924. And more HRs means more ITP HRs.

So the game is actually working perfectly. It seems to me it's your expectations that need to be adjusted, not the game.

[polydamas]

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

The inside the park HR rate is adjusted based on the league's historical year, so you need to make sure that matches. Depending on your exact setup, you might need to manually adjust things around - so maybe you want to set the historical year to 2021 during the season, but revert back to 1920s before it hits the off-season so that the game imports the financials that you want.

There are some other criteria - if your walls are like 470+, then everything will be inside the park. But otherwise, yes, the historical year will be a large factor.

I thought I had the historical year already set to 2019, since my financials aren't tied to it, but apparently I did not. I will test this soon. Thank you

[ezpkns34]

Did stadiums used to be bigger and more spacious too?

[joefromchicago]

Originally Posted by ezpkns34

Did stadiums used to be bigger and more spacious too?

Some were. Forbes Field was enormous. The lines at the Polo Grounds were less than 300 feet, but dead center was close to 500. Hit a ball over the center fielder's head there and you could run all day. Even Yankee Stadium, known for its short right-field porch, had a pretty spacious outfield, especially in left.

[andyhdz]

Originally Posted by polydamas

I play in 1924 with modern day (2019) stats and my biggest complaint with the game is the exorbitant frequency of inside the park home runs. It makes me eye roll every time and I see them about once (sometimes more) a game. I hate it so much.





Dev Matt Arnold did say they would look at in when I brought it up last version, but apparently this change didn't make the cut.




I think the simplest solution would be to make the frequency of inside the park home runs static across era or based on the statistical year. Better would be to have the option to change the frequency.

I know this has nothing to do with it but did you know that until the 1931 ground rule doubles were treated as homeruns?

[cmcgill]

Originally Posted by andyhdz

I know this has nothing to do with it but did you know that until the 1931 ground rule doubles were treated as homeruns?

I realize that pretty much every announcer calls balls that land fair then bounce into the stands ground rule doubles, but it's just not correct. A ground rule is something that is unique to a ballpark, like a fly ball hitting the outermost catwalk at the Trop being a ground rule homer.

The scoring for a ball that lands fair and bounces into the stands is the same in every ballpark. It's an automatic double, not a double due to a ground rule. It's in the official rule book, and could also be called a rule-book double.

Sorry for being pedantic, but this is one little bugger-boo that bothers me. Jon Miller is one of the very few announcers that actually calls the play correctly.

[Mat]

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

The inside the park HR rate is adjusted based on the league's historical year, so you need to make sure that matches. Depending on your exact setup, you might need to manually adjust things around - so maybe you want to set the historical year to 2021 during the season, but revert back to 1920s before it hits the off-season so that the game imports the financials that you want.

There are some other criteria - if your walls are like 470+, then everything will be inside the park. But otherwise, yes, the historical year will be a large factor.

Hi Matt, are you sure this is this case? Did this change in v22?

Referring to your comments from last year - https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...9&postcount=23

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by Mat

Hi Matt, are you sure this is this case? Did this change in v22?

Referring to your comments from last year - https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...9&postcount=23

I’m not seeing how anything he said contradicts what he said just now.

[Matt Arnold]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

I’m not seeing how anything he said contradicts what he said just now.

I think after it was reported last year it was changed for this year to use the historical year.

[fredbeene]

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

The inside the park HR rate is adjusted based on the league's historical year, so you need to make sure that matches. Depending on your exact setup, you might need to manually adjust things around - so maybe you want to set the historical year to 2021 during the season, but revert back to 1920s before it hits the off-season so that the game imports the financials that you want.

There are some other criteria - if your walls are like 470+, then everything will be inside the park. But otherwise, yes, the historical year will be a large factor.

Can you please show me HOW to run a report by player, team, leaugue on how may INSIDE the park homeruns are encountered?

I have been trying to figure that out for 22 years.

Or are you manually tabulating in your own spreadsheet as you play.
Or scouring through game logs to assemble your data?