You can help to rename the MLB MVP award the Josh Gibson Memorial MVP Award

[Cool Papa Bell]

And sorry, just answering some questions and don't mean to go on and on but context is important in all of this. The MVP Award was named prior for someone who did not play in MLB, nor did he play baseball at all. It was named for him for cleaning up the game after the Black Sox scandal. I don't think playing time has ever been a pre-requisite for the award name. I think it's safe to say if it was a pre-requisite, Josh Gibson may have had a shot at winning 1 or more, Kennesaw Mountain Landis not so many. Former MLB players who played against him and MLB management kind of agree that he was a talent. I don't care personally if Branch Rickey, Frank Robinson or Josh Gibson's name is on the award. They would all be deserving, Gibson representing the over 3,400 players who like him never had a shot to prove their ability because of the color of their skin.

[cephasjames]

CPB, it seems like you have two criteria for the naming of the MVP: 1) He must be one of the great players, and 2) He must be black. Is that a correct understanding?

[Cool Papa Bell]

Originally Posted by cephasjames

CPB, it seems like you have two criteria for the naming of the MVP: 1) He must be one of the great players, and 2) He must be black. Is that a correct understanding?

I honestly have no idea where you would even get that from. Just look up, I said I am ok with the 3 being considered, Branch Rickey, Frank Robinson or Josh Gibson. I've been saying that multiple times throughout this entire thread. You do know how to comprehend English correct? I'm just asking an honest question. I support Gibson because he was capable of having won a few in his career, but also for what naming him represents. I'm not sure why you would even ask either part of your question. But I get why I guess.

[Cool Papa Bell]

Let's talk about that. For arguments sake, let's say there was a ban on Latino's only in MLB for 80 years. And Martin Dihigo's name came up instead of Josh Gibson in this same type of conversation. The Shoei Ohtani of his era. And MLB was considering Branch Rickey, Frank Robinson or Martin Dihigo. I would go with Dihigo for the same reasoning, for his obvious talent that none of his contemporaries deny and for what naming it for him represents. Because he was too dark for MLB as well, didn't matter he wasn't African-American. Is that better? Now we have the Black guys name out of the equation.

[cephasjames]

People ask questions to get a better understanding of where someone is coming from. That's why I asked a question.

So, a helpful answer to my question would be, "No, that is not a correct understanding of what I've said."

Insults, such as questioning someone's reading comprehension, are generally not a good way to have an honest conversation, if that's what you're genuinely trying to have.

[rudel.dietrich]

When is the BBWAA voting on this?

[Cool Papa Bell]

And you wouldn't find it insulting for someone to ask a question that infers the exact opposite of what was actually said. No? Yes? I mean, I'm not sure how much more plain it could be said that I don't care which one wins, they are all deserving. Meaning Branch Rickey, Frank Robinson or Josh Gibson, the 3 that MLB is considering. Rickey was neither a good player nor was he black was he? So a helpful question might have been, there are many other Negro League players who could be considered, why Gibson? There are other greats as have been noted, why not someone else? I've answered those too many times and I didn't choose for MLB who they were considering.

Originally Posted by cephasjames

People ask questions to get a better understanding of where someone is coming from. That's why I asked a question.

So, a helpful answer to my question would be, "No, that is not a correct understanding of what I've said."

Insults, such as questioning someone's reading comprehension, are generally not a good way to have an honest conversation, if that's what you're genuinely trying to have.

[cephasjames]

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[Cool Papa Bell]

Could be any day, though not sure really. They sometimes announce things like this around the All-Star Break.

Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

When is the BBWAA voting on this?

[Cool Papa Bell]

Oh my goodness gracious, seriously? I don't care. My God already. For the 100th time, MLB picked the 3 being considered, I didn't, there was no fan voting for it, they decided that last year, Branch Rickey, Frank Robinson or Josh Gibson. That's just more gaslighting. If Ruth was one of the one's being considered, I don't care if he ended up on it, he'd be deserving. What is with you guys.

Originally Posted by cephasjames

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[rudel.dietrich]

Originally Posted by cephasjames

CPB, it seems like you have two criteria for the naming of the MVP: 1) He must be one of the great players, and 2) He must be black. Is that a correct understanding?

Branch Rickey was black?
I never got that memo...

[Cool Papa Bell]

I didn't choose any of the people being considered, MLB did last year. They went to Sean Gibson and told him, not the other way around. I only started this whole thread to let people know and if they support it great, go sign the petition. If not, great let's talk about it. Instead it turned into nonsensical mis-characterizations, what was said being turned backwards and upside down, outright disdain, complete lack of any understanding or want for understanding and gaslighting. I honestly don't understand, though I probably should.

Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

Branch Rickey was black?
I never got that memo...

[rudel.dietrich]

Originally Posted by Cool Papa Bell

I didn't choose any of the people being considered, MLB did last year. They went to Sean Gibson and told him, not the other way around. I only started this whole thread to let people know and if they support it great, go sign the petition. If not, great let's talk about it. Instead it turned into nonsensical mis-characterizations, what was said being turned backwards and upside down, outright disdain, complete lack of any understanding or want for understanding and gaslighting. I honestly don't understand, though I probably should.

What I said was in support of you
You said you would be okay with 3 people having their name on the award.

Two were black pro players, the third was a white manager/GM

James either never read what you said or never stopped to think that 33% of the people you named are neither black or players.


Personally, I would be okay with about a dozen player names on the MVP award.
Or it having no name at all. Before last years removal os his name, I think I had only heard once in passing that Landis had his name on the award,
I think even most hardcore baseball people just referred to it as the MVP award.

One more question you might be able to answer.
Is this name for both the NL and AL, or will each award get its own name?


I know it's tradition. But I always found it silly that there are two awards.
The NFL technically has two awards, but only the most hardcore NFL sickos could name the winners of each award. Most people just know the name of the MVP of the combined league.

[Westheim]

Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

Branch Rickey was black?
I never got that memo...

Have you seen somebody make a case for him yet in this thread? So that tells you something about who is the really long longshot here.

[Cool Papa Bell]

Oh shoot, I know man and I'm sorry. I wasn't quoting you for that, I know you know who Branch Rickey was. I was just kind of trying to sum up my frustration about this whole thread and where it went and it wasn't directed at you. The 3 considered were chosen by MLB. I got shot for being the messenger and wanting to try to help put some context to it.

As far as I know the name will go on both the AL & NL MVP Awards, that's the way it was prior. But who knows, maybe that's how they decide to do it and name them each separately. I agree, it would be kind of fun to have one overall MVP award but that right there kind of speaks to the nature of the way the game is viewed. When the American League came along at the end of the 1800's it was a minor league and the National League viewed it that way. So MLB is set up almost the same way from just about that time when the AL was given major league status. One Major League Baseball, 2 separate leagues, both major leagues.

Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

What I said was in support of you
You said you would be okay with 3 people having their name on the award.

Two were black pro players, the third was a white manager/GM

James either never read what you said or never stopped to think that 33% of the people you named are neither black or players.


Personally, I would be okay with about a dozen player names on the MVP award.
Or it having no name at all. Before last years removal os his name, I think I had only heard once in passing that Landis had his name on the award,
I think even most hardcore baseball people just referred to it as the MVP award.

One more question you might be able to answer.
Is this name for both the NL and AL, or will each award get its own name?


I know it's tradition. But I always found it silly that there are two awards.
The NFL technically has two awards, but only the most hardcore NFL sickos could name the winners of each award. Most people just know the name of the MVP of the combined league.

[Cool Papa Bell]

Yes actually, more than those that have not. But again, here we go, more gaslighting.

Originally Posted by Westheim

Have you seen somebody make a case for him yet in this thread? So that tells you something about who is the really long longshot here.

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by cephasjames

People ask questions to get a better understanding of where someone is coming from. That's why I asked a question.

So, a helpful answer to my question would be, "No, that is not a correct understanding of what I've said."

Insults, such as questioning someone's reading comprehension, are generally not a good way to have an honest conversation, if that's what you're genuinely trying to have.

He literally answered your question the post before you asked it. You know what else is a hindrance to an honest conversation? A willful lack of reading comprehension.

[cephasjames]

Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

Branch Rickey was black?
I never got that memo...

No, he was not black. Nor did I call him black. Because I really don't care who the MVP is named after - I didn't even know it was named after anyone until this thread because popularly it is only ever called the MVP - I have not been paying attention to the fact that MLB only put forth three names for consideration. I have seen Rickey mentioned multiple times in this thread, but I was unaware that he was only one of three choices.

[cephasjames]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

He literally answered your question the post before you asked it. You know what else is a hindrance to an honest conversation? A willful lack of reading comprehension.

Willful implies intent, which there was none. I should know.

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by cephasjames

Willful implies intent, which there was none. I should know.

I mean, you haven’t apologized to CPB for your error yet and instead have just decided to ignore it in favor of doubling down on other things. It sure looks willful from here.