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Old 07-30-2020, 08:36 AM   #21
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The OP thinks that live card updates are a good thing, but I'm not happy with it at all. The only thing live card updates are good for is AH speculation--- a feature of this game I expressly dislike.
But speculation on live cards never really impacts anyone else. With historical diamonds they can all be off the market and people actually want them for teams/collections. There will always be lives available.

Live speculation is a way for the F2P player to apply some time and knowledge in order to close the gap.

The one thing I think does need to change is to give people some protection for cards that drop down. Maybe a one-time chance to quicksell a card for it's old price. It is very bad for the game when every perfect except for Trout is too risky to do anything with but quicksell.
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Old 07-30-2020, 09:01 AM   #22
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My number one thing, and pretty much only thing I'd like to see improved, which I've been asking for since PT19 (and apparently I'm starting to have "friends" in other threads finally starting to want the same thing) is to get rid of the pro/rel structure.
Nice idea on paper, terrible idea in practice.
I 100% disagree, I think this makes PT unique and it works perfectly fine.
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Old 07-30-2020, 09:03 AM   #23
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The OP thinks that live card updates are a good thing, but I'm not happy with it at all. The only thing live card updates are good for is AH speculation--- a feature of this game I expressly dislike.
A good example of how we cannot please everybody But, as Kris stated above, we welcome all kind of constructive feedback and work on improving PT even more going forward. Me personally, I think compared to PT19 we have made PT21 so much better overall. But, as with everything, there is room for improvement of course...
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Old 07-30-2020, 10:59 AM   #24
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Disagree. For cap tournaments and live tournaments, live card updates obviously matter a lot. Also, for teams at lower levels, it could make the game more interesting. And I'd argue live speculation is not even remotely the most profitable form of speculation

not to mention something like Iron tourneys.... 6 players on my Iron tourney roster are 59 rated 2020 Live cards.... they get a 1 point bump to bronze, there goes my squad and a retooling is in order
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Old 07-30-2020, 11:06 AM   #25
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They get a 1 point bump to bronze, there goes my squad and a retooling is in order
Thanks for reminding me to replace any live players before they get changed .
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Old 07-30-2020, 11:33 AM   #26
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not to mention something like Iron tourneys.... 6 players on my Iron tourney roster are 59 rated 2020 Live cards.... they get a 1 point bump to bronze, there goes my squad and a retooling is in order
That creates some "newness" in Iron and Bronze tournaments, but on the whole, I would just love to see more Iron and Bronze (historical) cards. There are so many Diamonds and Perfects (I definitely understand why) but I'm never going to see or use 95% of those. I'd love more variation in the squads with Iron and Bronze tournaments, even after people think they've found the "best" cards at that level.
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Old 07-30-2020, 12:01 PM   #27
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Wow. Very observant!

Side Note: I was in a hurry when I wrote that response above - which in retrospect almost sounds like an insult. I didn't mean it that way, meant to say that I agreed that the conversations here have become about the inner-workings of the game as opposed to our teams and what makes them up. My comment was simply an admission that I hadn't thought of it that way until you posted your comment.
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Old 07-30-2020, 07:15 PM   #28
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not to mention something like Iron tourneys.... 6 players on my Iron tourney roster are 59 rated 2020 Live cards.... they get a 1 point bump to bronze, there goes my squad and a retooling is in order
I think this was the whole point of Iron tournaments. Go figure, you might have to retool. They couldn't have anticipated the season being put on it's head.
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Old 07-30-2020, 07:48 PM   #29
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I think this was the whole point of Iron tournaments. Go figure, you might have to retool. They couldn't have anticipated the season being put on it's head.
and don't get me wrong, I'm not lamenting the change in live players/need to retool tourney teams.... that's actually part of the fun that would have been in the mix for months already had this been a normal year
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Old 07-30-2020, 07:59 PM   #30
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But speculation on live cards never really impacts anyone else. With historical diamonds they can all be off the market and people actually want them for teams/collections. There will always be lives available.

Live speculation is a way for the F2P player to apply some time and knowledge in order to close the gap.
Yeah, agreed. Live speculation is very different from collection based speculation. For one there's way less impact on the overall market for players trying to make upgrades on the AH. But also, the speculation is based on interpretation of real life baseball stats...not trying to guess what collection is dropping tonight based on Kris' hints in the discord. To me, one of those is a natural extension of a baseball-stat-nerd video game, while the other is just capitalizing on marketing hype and separating whales from their money.
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Old 07-31-2020, 02:07 PM   #31
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and don't get me wrong, I'm not lamenting the change in live players/need to retool tourney teams.... that's actually part of the fun that would have been in the mix for months already had this been a normal year
If only it were that easy to retool your teams given the UI we have to work with.
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If only it were that easy to retool your teams given the UI we have to work with.
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Old 08-02-2020, 04:22 PM   #33
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Being fair, I've stepped back to try and compare "where we were" to "where we are now".


Last year, our primary complaint was the lack of a pyramid structure in the 6 levels of competition, and the issue that most "non-$$$" teams that crawled their way to Perfect eventually got their clocks cleaned.


This year, we HAVE a pyramid and we have 8 levels of competition. As a result, the rise-to-the-top for "non-$$$" teams is significantly harder... which, by the way, was exactly what we were asking for. Reminds me of the "Be careful what you ask for" line...
This probably has a lot to do with perception. OOTP20 currently has 92 Perfect Leagues out of 721. 12.75% or so of all leagues.

OOTP21 has 692 leagues. 1 Perfect, 24 Diamond and 42 Gold make up roughly 9.75% of all leagues (and we have 2 new lower levels).

So those teams in OOTP20 in the 10-12th percentile that could hang around Perfect Leagues for a while, well in OOTP21 they are in...

Silver.

Not good for the ego. But good for the game in general. They shouldn't be handing out participation ribbons.

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Old 08-03-2020, 01:41 AM   #34
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This probably has a lot to do with perception. OOTP20 currently has 92 Perfect Leagues out of 721. 12.75% or so of all leagues.

OOTP21 has 692 leagues. 1 Perfect, 24 Diamond and 42 Gold make up roughly 9.75% of all leagues (and we have 2 new lower levels).

So those teams in OOTP20 in the 10-12th percentile that could hang around Perfect Leagues for a while, well in OOTP21 they are in...

Silver.

Not good for the ego. But good for the game in general. They shouldn't be handing out participation ribbons.
I like stats like this. Thanks, for providing it. Given how easy it is to reach gold level by completing the live missions, I have to wonder just how many of these teams are actually being actively played.
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Old 08-03-2020, 08:48 AM   #35
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The live mission rewards have been a bit like putting everyone in the same car for a drag race. I would say, scientifically, they've undermined any fair analysis of how well the pro/rel system has worked in 21.
To me, it seems like the issue with the live missions is not the rewards, but the fact that they are so much easier than any other mission it becomes the obvious path to success. In turn, the reason they are so much easier is primarily because of the 70/30 split between live and historical cards. Can ANYONE on here defend that ratio as something that benefits fun gameplay???
(And I'm honestly asking, here... does someone have a good reason for it?)

The ONLY reason I can come up with that someone might think it's a good idea is the argument that it makes the best cards rarer, which then (perhaps) makes people spend more money on getting packs/cards. Personally, I think getting rid of it would make for a far more fun game which in turn would keep more players around and spending money on it.

I'd actually consider dropping FtP and buying points if I had a realistic expectation of seeing a wider variety of cards when I open a pack. I'm tired of the faces of every single iron live player, and I only started playing the game in June.
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