Pitcher stamina in OOTP 21

[bjtheduck]

I recently upgraded from OOTP 18 to 21. While I buy the new version every year, I'd stayed with playing OOTP 18 for years because I have absolutely no interest in Perfect Team and I prefer the look and layout of 18 to the look of more recent versions. I finally bit the bullet and upgraded because I wanted to try out the 3 batter minimum rule, which I actually am liking so far.

I've noticed something a little odd with pitcher stamina since I upgraded, and I'm not sure if this is normal behavior in OOTP 21. I've always operated with pitcher stamina set as normal in league settings, and I confirmed that the setting transferred over when upgrading my league through OOTP 19 and 20 to 21. Now in OOTP 21, it seems like pitchers with higher stamina (16+) are throwing considerably higher numbers of pitches than they did before tiring in the previous version. 16-18 stamina starters seem to not tire until they get past 130 pitches. I even have a starter with 20 stamina who doesn't get tired until he throws 150+ pitches, and he's not a knuckleballer which would be the only case I'd seen this sort of thing in the past.

I tried changing the league setting for pitcher stamina to low, but that knocked everything down to the point that a fully rested starter with 16 Stamina was getting tired after his pitch count got to the 80s (no rain delays or anything like that), so that's too far in the other direction.

I've been playing OOTP since 2007 and this is the first time I've seen this sort of thing happen. Is this normal behavior in OOTP 21? If not, is there another setting I should be looking at besides pitcher stamina in League Settings?

[fredbeene]

I use 1-100 ratings.
I have seen similiar issues with stamina in 20-30 range regularly pitching as starters (which i dont understand) and not staying above red above 100 pitches.
I don't see there stamina increasing (shouldn't it??)
I don't have anything to compare it to though

[bjtheduck]

I use the 1-20 ratings. Hmm... I can't say I've noticed that with low stamina starters. I don't see any starters with below a 6 stamina in my league (I'd think that'd be a 30 on the 1-100 scale), and they seem to tire in around 90 pitches like they did in the past. In all fairness, I haven't looked as closely at them because they tend to get yanked early anyway. On the other hand, I *have* noticed relievers who have thrown 70+ pitches before tiring when I rarely saw any make it past 50-ish pitches in older versions without tiring.

[fredbeene]

To be fair what i have noticed takes place the 50s era....so there might be a setting that elevates the stamina even if the stamina shown (with 100% accuracy) is low

[bjtheduck]

Originally Posted by fredbeene

To be fair what i have noticed takes place the 50s era....so there might be a setting that elevates the stamina even if the stamina shown (with 100% accuracy) is low

That would make sense for the 50's era. Too bad my league is currently in 2015 and using that as the historical year as well.


Anyway, I found through a bunch of experimentation that if I moved the "hook for starting pitcher" setting to -2 (Quick), the AI seems to pull them in a more normal manner. I just have to rely on my own honesty to not leave my starters in for 150+ pitches even though it doesn't say they're tired.

[zappa1]

Originally Posted by fredbeene

To be fair what i have noticed takes place the 50s era....so there might be a setting that elevates the stamina even if the stamina shown (with 100% accuracy) is low

I'm playing in 1962. Real lineups and transactions. I have a problem with a pitchers stamina when he's starting. Bill Smith (Phillies), primarily a relief pitcher but also had 5 starts during the season. When he starts, his stamina is not increased at all. Henceforth, after only 9-10 pitches, his slider bar is half way already. I'm lucky if he gets through the inning. His stamina is a 2 on a 1-20 scale. It should have been increased some for his starts. In real life in those 5 starts he had thrown 22 innings. Roughly 4 innings a start. But my Bill Smith in my game is wasted way, way too soon. I thought that when this happens OOTP was to increase the stamina for a relief pitcher when he spot starts. I don't see that here.

[Syd Thrift]

It all depends on what your league totals modifiers are. In fact, if you've had your league auto-adjust this season, I suggest not touching anything unless complete game totals are off. I have a league set in 1948 and I thought pitchers were going too long as well; then I checked and they're completing games almost exactly as often as IRL.

Generally speaking, even going back to the 60s starters straight up did not throw as hard as they do today because they were expected to go through the order 3-4 times. There were I think it was 42 complete games last year; if you look at your season I'm sure you'll see that there were hundreds then. There were probably fewer pitches per at bat then too but that 130 pitch threshold just wasn't something guys talked about much (in fact I can pretty much pinpoint the Baseball Prospectus article from I think 1998 that enshrined that 120-130 pitch threshold as the point of danger).

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