For the love of God....fix 3D PbP

[jg2977]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

No, that would be way too much work. I am talking about the current 30 MLB parks.

You just guaranteed that I will 100% be buying OOTP 22 then!

It would be cool if you could add a couple of bonus parks to that list, such as Globe Life Park in Arlington and the London Stadium that was used for the Yankees-Red Sox series.

[CBeisbol]

Originally Posted by sdw1000

Well if you're gonna play out 3-D, then you are gonna care about pants!! It's all aesthetics but the point it is for it to look streamlined, not half assed with a Yankee uni on top and gray pants on the bottom for example.

I play out 3D and don't care about pants
Or, at least, it's one of the things I care about least.

I care, about a million times more, that you can't inform your pitchers of how many pitches you're expecting them to throw when you bring them into the game. This actually impacts how the games play out and the results of the game, which is, to me, way more important.


But, as always, to each their own

[Tony820]

Originally Posted by Bunktown Ballers

Be careful what you say in forum. Crucifixion may be painful. I've learned to keep my thoughts to myself & just play until I don't wanna no more. It's better than any game I've had before

I couldn't disagree more.

1. Problems should be addressed
2. This topic in particular lead to multiple different developers chiming in and sounds like some change is coming.
3. We all love this game and just want the best from it.

Sorry, but I couldn't disagree more with that philosophy.

[bwiese3908]

Originally Posted by Tony820

I couldn't disagree more.

1. Problems should be addressed
2. This topic in particular lead to multiple different developers chiming in and sounds like some change is coming.
3. We all love this game and just want the best from it.

Sorry, but I couldn't disagree more with that philosophy.

Agree with this 100%... We might not all agree or even like each other, BUT we ALL have a huge passion for this game, which is why we post and try to give our feedback. Not all of it will be humored or agreed with, but you better believe I will try and help others and provide my feedback as I believe it is part of my responsibility to help the game progress.


We all love it, that is why we are here!! Our agendas might be different but that is the spice of life!

[Syd Thrift]

I think the "hey, this isn't working" stuff is fine (although the 3D guys do have pretty specific ways for you to log those bugs, related to the way the scripting used by the sprites to run around the field which nobody seems to be doing, at least not in this thread). I'm not a particularly big fan of the "make your X guys work on Y instead!"; that's telling the leads how to do their jobs, not what needs fixing, and at that is telling them from an uninformed perspective. I'm *super* not a fan of comparing OOTP to different games at different stages and with different amounts of revenue coming in as a way of, I'm not sure exactly what the motive is, shaming OOTPD into doing more than they're able to do or something.

But yes, absolutely, if you have an issue with the game, please, 100% use the forums to discuss those issues! That's (in part) what they're here for. Be as specific as you can, and provide actual data if you can, because that's how you're going to get the dev team to see the actual impact of your issues, but by all means, bring this stuff in. The game doesn't really have any direct competition right now (the dessicated husk of Baseball Mogul is about as close as it gets) and feedback in these fora are probably the best way OOTPD will ever learn what works and what doesn't.

[sdw1000]

Umm no. I think you're wrong. I don't do GM mode. I started playing OOTP because I like manager mode where I play out my games like I did in Strat. GM is boring. I could GM 100 seasons in about 10 minutes. How fun is that!?? lol

Originally Posted by jimmysthebestcop

No my solution is to bring the game to the next level in terms of video game experience, and that might mean trimming some of that dead weight. I understand a ton of OOTPb fans aren't gamers or gaming fans in general. And at one time I am sure that was a huge positive in making the series successful. But in modern times I'm of the viewpoint that it is now holding OOTPb back from even greater success in the video game market place.

I just think OOTP should be all about GM mode!!! That mode would appeal to the most gamers hence it would be the popular and move units. And allow content creators to entertain moving more units. GM mode is where the meat is at!

Management games, even Indy, sell like Hotcakes. Gamers don't care if they are managing a lemonade stand, car factory, people, cities, or a baseball organization as long as they can manage something and watch streamers then they are buying it.

Cities Skylines is still popular because of the the insane content creator community around the game. It's 5 years old and still gets regular DLC because there are dozens+ of content creators getting hundreds of thousands of views on their videos daily. So the game constantly has a new wave of a fanbase coming in and buying not just the base game but all the DLC as well.

Honestly in many eyes the annual game is dead. It's going the way of the dinosaur just like paper manuals, big box art, and old school expansions packs. Everything is DLC. Like it or not DLC is king of games. Fortnight anyone? $$$$$$$

OOTP could not only have annual DLC rosters, but that is where you would get the other types of play. Base game. PerfectTeam updates, Historical DLC, Stadium DLC, fictional, different assets etc..... The amount of money gamers spend on artwork assets in games is astronomical. And most is useless in terms of game play aka different color shirts. And they buy it all day every day.

People now spend money in OOTP cause of Perfect Team. The time to go to a DLC move is now!!! The possibilities are endless. DLC of all price points. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


Oh I'm in love with both Football Manager and Motorsport Manager. But OOTP shouldn't only be looking at sports titles for influence. I highly recommend Star Trader Frontiers. They have an excellent character and trait system in place.

[CBeisbol]

Originally Posted by sdw1000

Umm no. I think you're wrong. I don't do GM mode. I started playing OOTP because I like manager mode where I play out my games like I did in Strat. GM is boring. I could GM 100 seasons in about 10 minutes. How fun is that!?? lol

Everyone has fun differently

It can certainly be fun to sim multiple seasons rapidly to see how a player's career turns out

Or to see how a rule change effects a league

Everyone plays differently. Player pants are even a big deal for some people

[bwiese3908]

Originally Posted by CBeisbol

Everyone has fun differently

It can certainly be fun to sim multiple seasons rapidly to see how a player's career turns out

Or to see how a rule change effects a league

Everyone plays differently. Player pants are even a big deal for some people

I used to not care about pants either... Until this happened... Keep your pants on boys!!

[eldur00]

Originally Posted by sdw1000

Umm no. I think you're wrong. I don't do GM mode. I started playing OOTP because I like manager mode where I play out my games like I did in Strat. GM is boring. I could GM 100 seasons in about 10 minutes. How fun is that!?? lol

There I was thinking I was the only one playing Manager mode only. Deal with what the GM gives you. Which is usually headaches and a sudden need to slash someone's tires.

[Syd Thrift]

I enjoy GMing the entire league and watching everything develop. My idea of “fun” is to control everything and try to experience what baseball as a whole was like in different eras (I do historical setups but fictional players because I don’t want to be tied to a player’s real history or name or anything like that). As stated, people play the game differently.

[Dave Stieb II]

Originally Posted by bwiese3908

Agree with this 100%... We might not all agree or even like each other, BUT we ALL have a huge passion for this game, which is why we post and try to give our feedback. Not all of it will be humored or agreed with, but you better believe I will try and help others and provide my feedback as I believe it is part of my responsibility to help the game progress.


We all love it, that is why we are here!! Our agendas might be different but that is the spice of life!

Yes, I agree, and it was your advice to up the animation speed that has resulted in a much more enjoyable "in-game' experience.
This is the sort of constructive advice that makes these forums invaluable.
Thanks.

[bwiese3908]

Originally Posted by Dave Stieb II

Yes, I agree, and it was your advice to up the animation speed that has resulted in a much more enjoyable "in-game' experience.
This is the sort of constructive advice that makes these forums invaluable.
Thanks.

You are very welcome!

It made a huge difference for me not only in enjoying the game I was playing but also increasing the amount of games that I can play (while still managing and feeling connected to my league). Made it much more enjoyable for me.

[Azagoth]

Originally Posted by quillenl

I am with you. I like to play by play... but I'd just as soon have a static screen of who is playing where and go pure old school text. Fear for my shortstop's life every time he sprints to the OF wall to catch a fly ball. I can only imagine the speed at which he must be traveling.

my infielders just sprint a little ways and then glide to the ball like they're on ice.

[jimmysthebestcop]

I still would love a "state of the union" address of the future of OOTPb. Some kind of scope or future direction or where the devs see the gaming going. I've about loss complete interest in the series but future feature talk could be important not just for me but lots of players who feel the same way.

Like where do you see GM mode going? Scouting? International amateurs? Storylines, traits personalities, chemistry, coaching, Human interaction with characters in game?

I think it is completely fair to say GM mode hasn't improved in at least 4 versions. It feels flat, boring, and devoid of life. None of the characters feel alive they are just flat representations of stats the only thing that changes is ratings/names/faces.

If OOTPb 22 GM mode plays out the same again, its going to be a hard do not by for me. The only thing that might get me back in that case is Perfect Team. As I really enjoyed PT in 20 but to me PT just isn't an every year type of game as it is for some people.

OOTP should be given props for Perfect Team though even from the people that don't play it. It is a niche game mode but OOTP achieved great success with PT in that niche segment of games.

Normal mode OOTP I still think GM mode is completely lackluster, basic, and simple, complete fail. The 3D is a borderline pass/fail for me currently.

Customization A+, Realistic Results A+, Managing of games I'm going to give a C just because there is no interaction system. I know plenty of people would complain about the AI but I would still give it an A+. Every human vs ai has it quirks and issues but compared to other games, not just sport games, OOTPb AI is pretty damn great.

The things OOTPb does well I feel it does reall well but the things it's bad at are really really bad aka gm mode.

[Markus Heinsohn]

Originally Posted by jimmysthebestcop

I still would love a "state of the union" address of the future of OOTPb. Some kind of scope or future direction or where the devs see the gaming going. I've about loss complete interest in the series but future feature talk could be important not just for me but lots of players who feel the same way.

Like where do you see GM mode going? Scouting? International amateurs? Storylines, traits personalities, chemistry, coaching, Human interaction with characters in game?

I think it is completely fair to say GM mode hasn't improved in at least 4 versions. It feels flat, boring, and devoid of life. None of the characters feel alive they are just flat representations of stats the only thing that changes is ratings/names/faces.

If OOTPb 22 GM mode plays out the same again, its going to be a hard do not by for me. The only thing that might get me back in that case is Perfect Team. As I really enjoyed PT in 20 but to me PT just isn't an every year type of game as it is for some people.

OOTP should be given props for Perfect Team though even from the people that don't play it. It is a niche game mode but OOTP achieved great success with PT in that niche segment of games.

Normal mode OOTP I still think GM mode is completely lackluster, basic, and simple, complete fail. The 3D is a borderline pass/fail for me currently.

Customization A+, Realistic Results A+, Managing of games I'm going to give a C just because there is no interaction system. I know plenty of people would complain about the AI but I would still give it an A+. Every human vs ai has it quirks and issues but compared to other games, not just sport games, OOTPb AI is pretty damn great.

The things OOTPb does well I feel it does reall well but the things it's bad at are really really bad aka gm mode.

I think you're talking about more RPG-like elements when you say GM mode? FM does this really well, but it's not everyone's cup of tea. I personally dislike this social media stuff they have focused on lately in the game, but of course other users love it and it's a representation of the current soccer / media landscape.

Having said that, I would indeed like more interactions between the user and the players / coaches / owners, and this is part of our long-term plan, yes.

[wallewalls]

Can the GM/franchise-only players at least get a more advanced pitching statistic in the game besides FIP? I've been asking for years and years for SIERA to be in the game.

I'd love to see the other franchise mode features get improvements don't get me wrong, but everything I would like to see is clearly in the minority for people on this forum, so I'm not expecting it. OOTP 22 is probably gonna be a pass for me (like 21 was going to be until I saw the scouting features, which I wish I waited on), unless some major upgrades are made on the franchise mode/AI side of things, but for now, can SIERA be please be patched into the game so I can maybe feel the desire to play again? I know it might seem silly, but it drives me crazy that the most advanced statistic I have to evaluate pitchers is only FIP in the year 2020.

[luckymann]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Man, I didn't even know that setting was there, oh my God. I have set it to "Slightly Fast" now and it looks great in my opinion. I think I'll turn this into the new default speed for new installations.

I was going to suggest that! I have it set to "Accelerated" and it is much smoother, the "Slightly Fast" setting was slightly too fast for me.

And as for this game, as someone whose only prior experience with baseball sims was DMB all those years ago, to discover this amazing product (in XX / 20) and see how far it has all come in the intervening time blew my mind.

Yes the animation can be frustratingly problematic from time to time. Yes perhaps the AI could be a bit more realistically intuitive. Yes there are some aspects to the GM function that could be incorporated and improved upon. Yes I hope all of these elements remain in the game and keep being improved upon. Yes pants are incredibly important.

Yes OOTP has ruined my life. In the best possible way.

[luckymann]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Having said that, I would indeed like more interactions between the user and the players / coaches / owners, and this is part of our long-term plan, yes.

This I would love to see, with as much minute detail and depth and variance as can be programmed into it as possible.

[Tony820]

I started this thread and believe it's only fair to give credit where credit is due. The latest patch has made some really good improvements to the 3D gameplay, from stolen bases and the catcher making the throw to OF throws with players tagging up.

Good work guys!

[curt]

Originally Posted by Tony820

I started this thread and believe it's only fair to give credit where credit is due. The latest patch has made some really good improvements to the 3D gameplay, from stolen bases and the catcher making the throw to OF throws with players tagging up.

Good work guys!

I really love this game and I love the 3D. I have already posted this pic (LOL in the forums) because I thought it was funny. My line drive went through the wall and across the bridge. 2 outfielders chased it.You can see one in the top right corner. Minor glitch but funny