Perfect Game is Very Far from Perfect

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by bailey

This would be fun to keep going.

12. soured on tournaments
13. some people are insanely lucky

14. People shouldn’t be able to use starters in relief.
14a. I don’t understand how the game engine works and this is someone else’s fault.

[Torgonius]

15 - I'm exceptionally unlucky
15a - It's the devs fault

[Marleigh]

Originally Posted by bailey

Why would whales buy packs? That seems so sub-optimal. True whales just buy the cards they need? SE Jackie Robinson, (cha ching), Tris Speaker (cha ching) etc.. The AH is barren because the non-whale pack buyers disappeared and moved on to other games (or they moved up and can't earn much PP any more). Hopefully the game on sale means a new crop of pack buyers.

The AH is barren at present because we had a fairly lackluster content set last week, so less packs were bought, and we are coming up to new collections so people are holding rather than selling in the hopes of hitting it big once collections release

[waittilnextyear]

Originally Posted by Spieler

So let's see:

1. Teams spending real money ("blue whales")
2. Teams cornering the market on silver cards.
2a. Specifically from "certain teams"
2b. Cabals and conspiracies
2c. Teams making their PP playing the market ("killer whales")
3. Lower ranks "full of whales" (only blue whales with big $$$ of course)
4. Tankers
5. Teams playing SPs in the bullpen
6. Teams training players at other positions as they historically played (Bagwell at SS, genius. Why didn't I think of that)
7. Overpriced cards in general on the AH
8. My favorite diamond player sucks (after 50 PA/10 IP...)
9. The promotion pyramid does or doesn't work
10. I ripped 500+ packs and never got a perfect
10a. or I got one, a live, and he sucks
10b. or I get multiples of the same one (who is live, and sucks)

Did I miss anything?

Originally Posted by ignats75

11. I suck at PT.
11a. The game engine cheats.

Originally Posted by bailey

This would be fun to keep going.

12. soured on tournaments
13. some people are insanely lucky

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

14. People shouldn’t be able to use starters in relief.
14a. I don’t understand how the game engine works and this is someone else’s fault.

Originally Posted by Torgonius

15 - I'm exceptionally unlucky
15a - It's the devs fault

16. The gap between the opening bid price and the BIN is not large enough for my liking.
16a. Get rid of BINs altogether.
17. RNG. So jealous of others pulling whale cards from challenge mode packs, small numbers of tourney reward packs, and in their "last pack" of the run.
18. Seeded into a meat-grinder of a division; would clearly win it all if I was just seeded into that other division over there.

[yno88]

Originally Posted by bailey

You would still get crushed and then what would your excuse be? More than a few free players have teams worth over 1 million points by now.

Quit acting like your ftp league is where all the good players are. What's your excuse? This is a legitimate suggestion.

[SPBJT]

This thread is going downhill fast.

[HRBaker]

Currently, 56% of OOTP's Perfect Team players are in either Rookie or Stone Levels, 29% are in Iron and Bronze, 12% are in Silver or Gold, and 3% are in Diamond.


The concern (or whining as some would claim) is coming from the group of customers that comprise 85% of the player base.


We ARE NOT complaining that we can't compete, or that we don't know how. Hell, the restrictions I put on myself insures I'll probably never get higher than Gold... What we ARE complaining about is it gets pretty damn boring to see uneven playing fields occur weekly. How much better the game would be if everyone was competitive within each level.


I think most of us simply don't want to be forced into playing teams that pit "World Chess Champions" against the "Junior High School Chess Club".


That is, and is exclusively, my disappointment in the PT version of the game.

[chazzycat]

Originally Posted by halfbutt

To me, the issue is not so much the lower leagues being full of whales, but the promotion of average teams alongside them as fodder.

In my team's case, I have had a season with a .500 or better record three times out of nine seasons. I think my cumulative record is in the neighbourhood of 55 games below .500. Nevertheless, I am in gold in last place seven games under, earning very little pp to continue with collections, and am still not in a "to be relegated" position.

Now, this is a valid concern. Balancing this vs. the need to fill the upper leagues quickly, has got to be tough. The sad fact is that the whales need someone to beat up on, or the game's main revenue stream is in danger. I don't envy the devs TBH when it comes to this... it's a delicate balancing act. But at least it seems like they are trying. I would advise patience to folks as it does take time for the promotion/relegation to work things out. It's just May.

[halfbutt]

Originally Posted by chazzycat

Now, this is a valid concern. Balancing this vs. the need to fill the upper leagues quickly, has got to be tough. The sad fact is that the whales need someone to beat up on, or the game's main revenue stream is in danger. I don't envy the devs TBH when it comes to this... it's a delicate balancing act. But at least it seems like they are trying. I would advise patience to folks as it does take time for the promotion/relegation to work things out. It's just May.

Indeed. Despite being decently competitive offensively, we're now 11 games under .500 and in a relegation spot. Considering the team missed a WC spot by a game or two twice, potentially they could compete back in silver.

The last time in silver, pretty much every team at or around .500 was promoted, which was nearly half the league. I get that the upper leagues need to be filled but a team that is at, or barely above, .500 is sure to get demolished in the next tier up.

[HRBaker]

Originally Posted by halfbutt

The last time in silver, pretty much every team at or around .500 was promoted, which was nearly half the league. I get that the upper leagues need to be filled but a team that is at, or barely above, .500 is sure to get demolished in the next tier up.

...which is actually the point I've been trying to make. We need a better way to fill up the 8 levels faster without relying on Promotions.


The STRONGER teams should move up first, and the STRONGEST teams should move directly to Diamond Level the 2nd week.


I don't really care how you determine what "strong or strongest" means - just kick them to the top early so you can build a level playing field for each level.

[OMGPuppies]

One concern I have with the current set up is that there is no Perfect level yet, so we have teams in Diamond that don't belong there who are pounding on everyone else.

[Torgonius]

Originally Posted by OMGPuppies

One concern I have with the current set up is that there is no Perfect level yet, so we have teams in Diamond that don't belong there who are pounding on everyone else.

As one of the poundees, fellow sea cow, I wholeheartedly agree. There is an outside chance we'll have 30 wins at the all-star break if we can miracle out the next 2 games. This is the same team that lost the gold championship in 7 games last week.

[halfbutt]

Originally Posted by Torgonius

As one of the poundees, fellow sea cow, I wholeheartedly agree. There is an outside chance we'll have 30 wins at the all-star break if we can miracle out the next 2 games. This is the same team that lost the gold championship in 7 games last week.

30 Wins! Whoa, that is rough. I was feeling bad at 41-53.

If I may ask, are you in a spot to be relegated back to gold presently?

[Torgonius]

Originally Posted by halfbutt

30 Wins! Whoa, that is rough. I was feeling bad at 41-53.

If I may ask, are you in a spot to be relegated back to gold presently?

I could rip off a 15 game winning streak and still be safe. At this point, I wouldn't be shocked if it relegated me back to Rookie!

[Tinkerman]

Mount Hawke are in a 25 team diamond league. They're 45 - 52, 4th in average and runs, with a -8 run diff. Ok, you might think, but it gets more interesting... Against everyone else that they've played: 42 - 26, with a +106 run diff. Against 'the big three': 3 - 26, with a -114 run diff. That's, umm... stark . Bring on perfect .

[Spieler]

Well, only one of the 'big 3' is going to perfect when it exists. So get used to seeing the other 2...

[ignats75]

My Buckeyes are 62-34 in silver AND 20 GAMES OUT!!!! It happens. I shrug and wait for next week. Or get lucky on Sunday.

[Willie M]

We're now at the point where 50-75% of teams in this game are labeled unfair because they have some sort of advantage and are preventing people from winning at lower levels.

Why can't OOTP create a league for people that want to but teams versus build them over time.

Translation: Why can't OOTP spend a lot of time/money paying developers to change how PT was developed so that I, person who invests $0, benefit?

OOTP has always been $40. I've been buying it since Season Ticket Baseball days 18 years ago. OOTP is still the same price, and now they've coded an entirely different game that requires massive amounts of storage space, marketing costs, and payroll costs.

Then people want them to spend more money and come up with a new system, so that their $0 investment can do what?

Their business model works. They've had 1 million packs ripped, 10,000+ PT teams, and are becoming more and more popular.

Start grinding tournaments. Start flipping cards in the auction house. Or invest $100 to the game and give yourself a boost. The game is not broken. I have seen countless teams in diamond that would require $100 or less to build. I have a f2p team in diamond. Sounds like you need a new strategy.

[OMGPuppies]

Originally Posted by Willie M

We're now at the point where 50-75% of teams in this game are labeled unfair because they have some sort of advantage and are preventing people from winning at lower levels.



Translation: Why can't OOTP spend a lot of time/money paying developers to change how PT was developed so that I, person who invests $0, benefit?

OOTP has always been $40. I've been buying it since Season Ticket Baseball days 18 years ago. OOTP is still the same price, and now they've coded an entirely different game that requires massive amounts of storage space, marketing costs, and payroll costs.

Then people want them to spend more money and come up with a new system, so that their $0 investment can do what?

Their business model works. They've had 1 million packs ripped, 10,000+ PT teams, and are becoming more and more popular.

Start grinding tournaments. Start flipping cards in the auction house. Or invest $100 to the game and give yourself a boost. The game is not broken. I have seen countless teams in diamond that would require $100 or less to build. I have a f2p team in diamond. Sounds like you need a new strategy.

But these guys keep saying they don't have the time to do these things.Yet, they don't want to spend money. They can't have it both ways.

[ignats75]

Don't lump me in this. I'm on the quit yer bellyaching side. I don't have alot of time now that my company is open. But I just laugh at the oddities of the results. I like this game. I haven't touched my sim teams in over a week.