Where did all the SCREWBALLS go?

daves · 04-15-2020, 09:51 PM

I do like the different player database for PT3.0. It seems there are more old time pitchers in this game, Quite a few of these old time pitchers have an effective screwball. This pitch makes a righty more effective against lefty batters and lefties better against righty batters. That is quite a matchup advantage.

But where did the screwball go in modern day baseball?

Kris Jardine · 04-16-2020, 06:38 AM

I believe it comes from a combination of:

- it's tremendously hard on the arm/wrist, to perform correctly
- the advancement of other pitches like sinker, slider, circle change has really made the screwball's effectiveness rather useless

rdt24 · 04-16-2020, 06:51 AM

Isn't there a widely held belief that screwballs cause arm injury (no idea if scientifically accurate)?

I believe everyone thought that's what ended Carl Hubbell's career and therefore hasn't been used/taught much since.

mcdog512 · 04-16-2020, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Kris Jardine

I believe it comes from a combination of:

- it's tremendously hard on the arm/wrist, to perform correctly
- the advancement of other pitches like sinker, slider, circle change has really made the screwball's effectiveness rather useless

I can confirm that, it wrecked my arm as a teenager.

Westheim · 04-16-2020, 07:48 AM

Screwball is also used as a stand-in for other pitches that are not otherwise in the game, notably the spitball, which hasn't been thrown legally in over 80 years (see Burleigh Grimes, Urban Shocker and a few others...)

RchW · 04-16-2020, 07:57 AM

I'm here.

rudel.dietrich · 04-16-2020, 03:50 PM

This forum is filled with them

Syd Thrift · 04-16-2020, 08:07 PM

There’s also that thing where you can tell a screwball pitcher at a glance because their hand rests with its palm outward...

Bunktown Ballers · 04-16-2020, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by rdt24

Isn't there a widely held belief that screwballs cause arm injury (no idea if scientifically accurate)?

I believe everyone thought that's what ended Carl Hubbell's career and therefore hasn't been used/taught much since.

Yeah, it does cause arms injuries & I guess that's why old-timers picthed 300-450 innings a year & these new guys can barely get 175. Being sarcastic a little.

mcdog512 · 04-16-2020, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bunktown Ballers

Yeah, it does cause arms injuries & I guess that's why old-timers picthed 300-450 innings a year & these new guys can barely get 175. Being sarcastic a little.

I threw a screwball in Legion Ball in the USA and it does torque the **** out of your arm.

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