Pitcher's ratings

[Dread94]

Hi,

I find it very difficult to understand the different ratings of the pitchers. Can someone explain to me the differences from one category to another? What makes one pitcher better than another? Well balanced? Good control?

Should i favor a pitcher with good basics ratings and average pitches or a pitcher with good pitches? For example, would you prefer SNAPSHOT, Charlie Hough,1973 or SNAPSHOT, Steve Farr, 1988, and why.

You can tell me your favorite pitchers with explanation too.

Thanks

[CBeisbol]

Originally Posted by Dread94

Hi,

I find it very difficult to understand the different ratings of the pitchers. Can someone explain to me the differences from one category to another? What makes one pitcher better than another? Well balanced? Good control?

Should i favor a pitcher with good basics ratings and average pitches or a pitcher with good pitches? For example, would you prefer SNAPSHOT, Charlie Hough,1973 or SNAPSHOT, Steve Farr, 1988, and why.

You can tell me your favorite pitchers with explanation too.

Thanks

There's a lot of good information on the forum that people have already posted in reply to other posters questions. Might be a good idea to search for it.

For example, this post
https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=307071

The manual also has a lot of useful info
https://manuals.ootpdevelopments.com...tching_ratings


Stuff correlates with a pitcher's ability to get strike outs
Movement correlates with a pitcher's ability to prevent homeruns
Control correlates with a pitcher's ability to avoid walks

[pfholden]

Originally Posted by Dread94

Hi,

I find it very difficult to understand the different ratings of the pitchers. Can someone explain to me the differences from one category to another? What makes one pitcher better than another? Well balanced? Good control?

Should i favor a pitcher with good basics ratings and average pitches or a pitcher with good pitches? For example, would you prefer SNAPSHOT, Charlie Hough,1973 or SNAPSHOT, Steve Farr, 1988, and why.

You can tell me your favorite pitchers with explanation too.

Thanks

It really just all depends, but here are some things I pay attention to with pitchers.


1) Stuff is most important of the three attributes, but don't ignore the others. Basically, if there's a guy with elite stuff vs elite control and all other things are equal, I'm going with the stuff guy. This doesn't mean I ignore elite control pitchers, just that I prefer elite stuff to elite control.



2) As always, pay attention to the stats, not just the scouting. This is especially important with guys whose control you may be concerned with. Sometimes you'll have a guy with elite stuff but his control makes him questionable MLB talent. Pay attention to his walk rate. Sometimes your scout will be wrong and this can help you identify a guy who is MLB talent that you may otherwise overlook.


3) Be wary of fly ball pitchers, especially if your park if homer prone. I often play with the O's, and fly ball pitchers can get crushed there. I won't ignore fly ball pitchers, but I definitely prefer ground ball guys.


4) I pay attention to stuff, control, and movement before looking at individual pitches. If a guy has two elite pitches, but his stuff and control are bad, it doesn't matter much that he's got a great slider. This is an over-simplification as you have to look at the entire picture, but I find the three pitcher ratings to be the primary thing to consider before moving on to the specific pitches.



These are just off the top of my head but hope that helps.

[Dread94]

Thanks to you, your links were usefull and i'll use them in the future.

FYI, I tried to search on the past thread, but it was difficult to find the exact information i was looking for…

Really appreciate!

[Mezirah]

Originally Posted by pfholden

It really just all depends, but here are some things I pay attention to with pitchers.


1) Stuff is most important of the three attributes, but don't ignore the others. Basically, if there's a guy with elite stuff vs elite control and all other things are equal, I'm going with the stuff guy. This doesn't mean I ignore elite control pitchers, just that I prefer elite stuff to elite control.



2) As always, pay attention to the stats, not just the scouting. This is especially important with guys whose control you may be concerned with. Sometimes you'll have a guy with elite stuff but his control makes him questionable MLB talent. Pay attention to his walk rate. Sometimes your scout will be wrong and this can help you identify a guy who is MLB talent that you may otherwise overlook.


3) Be wary of fly ball pitchers, especially if your park if homer prone. I often play with the O's, and fly ball pitchers can get crushed there. I won't ignore fly ball pitchers, but I definitely prefer ground ball guys.


4) I pay attention to stuff, control, and movement before looking at individual pitches. If a guy has two elite pitches, but his stuff and control are bad, it doesn't matter much that he's got a great slider. This is an over-simplification as you have to look at the entire picture, but I find the three pitcher ratings to be the primary thing to consider before moving on to the specific pitches.



These are just off the top of my head but hope that helps.

I got a quick question if I can hop in here. If a have a Flyball pitcher, does that mean flyball hitters are going to take me to school? And more so, groundball hitters are going to have a tough time?

If I am facing a section of the lineup with low power should I actually bring my flyball guy in so they all pop out?


Also sounds like there is hidden factors where side arm pitchers do better against same side hitters, but worse when facing opposite side. Would a 3/4 slot be similar but less of a factor?

Just asking so I can choose bullpen matchups better .

[Syd Thrift]

Most of the fly/grounder results are based on your pitcher's groundball percentage. That's modified by the batter's tendency. You're not going to see guys do nothing but pop out if you have FB hitters vs. FB pitchers. Mostly, that rating determines what the outs will be, not so much how many outs you'll get (although flyball pitchers do give up slightly more HRs than GB pitchers).

Pitchers who throw sidearm or 3/4 tend to have wider left/right splits than pitchers who throw over the top. Aside from that, I believe sidearm hurlers, on creation, don't have the same pitches available to them as guys who throw 3/4 or over the top. There may also be a negative correlation between throwing sidearm and stamina, although I think the game mostly just keeps sidearmers from starting by only giving them 2 pitches most of the time.

[CBeisbol]

Originally Posted by Mezirah

I got a quick question if I can hop in here. If a have a Flyball pitcher, does that mean flyball hitters are going to take me to school? And more so, groundball hitters are going to have a tough time?

This would be an awesome thing you you to so a study on and report the results to us

Also sounds like there is hidden factors where side arm pitchers do better against same side hitters, but worse when facing opposite side. Would a 3/4 slot be similar but less of a factor?

It's not really hidden
You can see a pitcher's ratings vs L and vs R in the ratings tab on their profile.
Yes, generally it's as you described. Certain pitches have different splits, though. Curveball, for example, are better against opposite handed hitters

In the User Studies link in my signature, there's a link to a thread about pitch types you might find interesting.

[Number5]

If you have a flyball pitcher and a flyball hitter, that means a lot of your balls will be flyballs. That is neither good nor bad, it depends on the park and your defense. Fly balls tend to go for lower batting averages, but if they go, they often go for extra base hits and dingers. If your outfield is good and you are playing in a stadium which doesn't allow lots of homers, you don't need to worry over fly balls.