Idea for New League

[MarkGracesSlumpBuster]

I would love to get a league going that would eliminate the use of all perfect cards. Not all - but a lot of those cards are end game cards, and every whale has them, and it really limits the diversity among the top teams. It would be pretty fun if we could find a way to govern a league and make sure it’s not violated, but just think about the creativity among starting rotations and bullpens alone.

[X3NEIZE]

Some of the best cards in the game aren't perfect.... where do you draw the line? 100 only?

Understand that 100 cards don't necessarily mean the best in-slot-cards at all...

Also, the friends list is not working all that well, it only takes one or two teams that weren't invited to wreak havoc on the rest of the participants.

[Westheim]

There is multiple house rule threads around. You may want to start your shopping there.

[atabakin]

So live Sale and DeGrom are out, but Eppa Rixey, Waite Hoyt, and Tim Keefe are fair game?

[MarkGracesSlumpBuster]

I think the goal would be more to eliminate the Cy, Walter, Maddux, Cobb, Honus, Mo, Smith etc of the game... but sure, those would be eliminated too..

[stl jason]

hard part there is where is the cutoff of which cards are off limits.... just 100s? (really aren't that many in the grand scheme) but 99 and under is ok? (99 Walter Johnson isn't that much different than his 100 version, so still a killer card). No perfects or diamonds? Many gold cards are better than the diamond+ options....


guess if you could get enough people to sign up (maybe a 2nd/3rd team if those aren't already used), go for something really challenging like "Iron Man" league (only iron level cards)... or the "Bronze Age" (only bronze level cards).... could be a fun way to get those lower cards some use... course, if/when any non-member team gets placed in your league, they'll probably tear the rest of the teams up, but that's how it goes

[<Pion>]

I think the problem with false ceilings is that you're only creating a new ceiling. Whatever the ceiling might be, you still have players that everyone will desire. So for example (an example only, not that it is being suggested here) a league is created that the top 50 players are not allowed in the league. Instead of having everyone trying to get 1 through 25, wouldn't everyone be trying to get 51 through 75? I would think the only way that make sense is if the talent distribution is flatter at that level making people not mind whether they have the 80th or 90th best instead of 75th best. But I think to a certain extent, that may already exist due to the high costs of the top 25. Cost is not an object to everyone, but for many it is so they don't mind getting the 40th best player because of the price difference for the 25th best.

That being said, I like the ideas the various friends leagues come up with, and if someone were to eliminate a certain group of players (All perfects, or top X players based on calculated wOBA or FIP, or like the league that doesn't allow LIVE players), then diversity is a good and interesting thing.

EDIT - Would be interesting to see what effect it might have on AH pricing as participants in the league try to get the top players within the guidelines of their league. Probably a marginal effect given the limited teams involved desiring the players, yet still a possible effect as AH speculators raise the prices on the players needed.

[One Great Matrix]

The Tournaments are coming in July.

It's like 15 brand new leagues.

[atabakin]

Originally Posted by One Great Matrix

The Tournaments are coming in July.

Source?

[X3NEIZE]

Tournaments are coming APRIL 2019!!!

----oh wait!...

[Goliathus]

Originally Posted by <Pion>

I think the problem with false ceilings is that you're only creating a new ceiling. Whatever the ceiling might be, you still have players that everyone will desire. So for example (an example only, not that it is being suggested here) a league is created that the top 50 players are not allowed in the league. Instead of having everyone trying to get 1 through 25, wouldn't everyone be trying to get 51 through 75? I would think the only way that make sense is if the talent distribution is flatter at that level making people not mind whether they have the 80th or 90th best instead of 75th best. But I think to a certain extent, that may already exist due to the high costs of the top 25. Cost is not an object to everyone, but for many it is so they don't mind getting the 40th best player because of the price difference for the 25th best.

Yup, you pretty much got it right. A new meta will be formed no matter the rules, and there will always be good cards and bad cards. It's just how card game works.

Edit: Or really, that's how games work in general. If I start an OOTP standard league today and wipe out all the 4.5 and 5 star players, the 4 star players are the new "5 stars".

[HRBaker]

The way to make it work is this... don't limit the player cards available - limit the total OVR a team can have on its active roster.

Right now an all-100 team will have 2500 OVR points. Limit that total to 2250 (90 avg.OVR) or 2000 (80 avg.OVR) or even 1750 (70 avg.OVR) and you now have access to all cards but must decide what cards are best for the total OVR points you are limited to. "Whales" will still buy the best cards they can afford to reach that OVR limit, but the possibilities of card combinations that could be competitive are now expanded exponentially.

e.g.; A league with a 2250 OVR limit can still use a few 100 Perfects, but only enough of them to allow the rest of his roster to be filled out to 25 with lesser cards.

Below is my roster for one of my teams. It currently averages a 92.36 OVR and totals 2309. If 2250 was the league limit, I would have to shed 59 OVR points to comply.

[Charlatan]

HRBaker is correct. There's a MLB-themed unofficial league going on right now, and though they've only been semi-successful at getting all the teams into the same league, one of the league rules is that there's a maximum number of "points" you can use to construct your roster. It's something like perfects are 5 points, live perfects 4 points, diamonds 3 points, live diamonds 2 points, etc. Something like that. And the rosters have a maximum of 30 points (or 50 or whatever... the specific numbers aren't important, it's the concept).

Setting some sort of limit on the roster means you've got to make some choices in how to fill out your team. And that makes things interesting.

That seems to be what tournaments will be like. So let's all hope they come around soon!

Maybe someday OOTP will implement a similar type of thing for PT leagues - maybe different "house rules" or the like. I understand there'd be a fair bit of complexity to add it, but hey, put it in the feature backlog!

[HRBaker]

The only thing we would need to make this work is a way to check teams for their OVR total on their Active Roster. We could get something like this started almost immediately if we had that ability.

Maybe just an additional column on the Managers & Rankings tab under PT Universe?

[HRBaker]

Like this...

[daves]

Is this for the perfect level?


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[HRBaker]

Originally Posted by daves

Is this for the perfect level?


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Not exactly. If it could be implemented, by limiting the league to teams that would keep to a 2250 OVR limit, they would, in effect, remove the Whales from hanging over their heads.

[matingly23]

Originally Posted by HRBaker

The way to make it work is this... don't limit the player cards available - limit the total OVR a team can have on its active roster.

Right now an all-100 team will have 2500 OVR points. Limit that total to 2250 (90 avg.OVR) or 2000 (80 avg.OVR) or even 1750 (70 avg.OVR) and you now have access to all cards but must decide what cards are best for the total OVR points you are limited to. "Whales" will still buy the best cards they can afford to reach that OVR limit, but the possibilities of card combinations that could be competitive are now expanded exponentially.

e.g.; A league with a 2250 OVR limit can still use a few 100 Perfects, but only enough of them to allow the rest of his roster to be filled out to 25 with lesser cards.

Below is my roster for one of my teams. It currently averages a 92.36 OVR and totals 2309. If 2250 was the league limit, I would have to shed 59 OVR points to comply.

I wonder though if you do it that way if certain cards wouldn't be used on lots of teams? Like Lava for C for example, everyone would want him because he's only a 69. And while people might shy away from 100 cards to an extent, the most potent ones would be very popular.

Pluses and minuses either way I guess.

[HRBaker]

Originally Posted by matingly23

I wonder though if you do it that way if certain cards wouldn't be used on lots of teams? Like Lava for C for example, everyone would want him because he's only a 69. And while people might shy away from 100 cards to an extent, the most potent ones would be very popular.

Pluses and minuses either way I guess.

Yes, some lower OVR cards would go up in value, and some high OVR cards would be seen as too expensive. But all of that would make the league more diverse and interesting. And since you could still collect cards with no restrictions, tournaments and collections wouldn't be affected.

The rules would be simple;
* Keep your active roster under the OVR limit.
* If you use the AI, inactivate any cards that would push you over.

[OMGPuppies]

Originally Posted by matingly23

I wonder though if you do it that way if certain cards wouldn't be used on lots of teams? Like Lava for C for example, everyone would want him because he's only a 69. And while people might shy away from 100 cards to an extent, the most potent ones would be very popular.

Pluses and minuses either way I guess.

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