Competitive balance discussion - Page 54

mike1409 · 01-05-2019, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by matingly23

In regular OOTP, I've never had a team suddenly fill its roster with 15 players rated 100 and 10 more rated frrom 90-99.

So I can't say it's remotely comparable.

I was looking more for a challenge against other people's GMing and managing styles as the AI isn't very good if you play the game long enough.

I am not looking to be nuked from orbit by someone who spends $1,000.

How about this option. 25 man active roster, 15 man reserve. You can only update the 40 man roster once a day. You have to play with those cards for the day. You can buy new players and packs anytime but you the same 40 players for the month.

JasonC23 · 01-05-2019, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by runyan99

In my current gold season I started the season with 7 golds and 3 diamonds.

My division rival has 8 golds and 17 diamonds.

So on Monday I knew I was the Wildcard team. Is that interesting? I'm arguing no.

Just out of curiosity, how has your league played out? Has it gone as you figured it would?

mcdog512 · 01-05-2019, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by NYY #23

Plus, what would you do with duplicate cards?

Seems fairly obvious, inactivate them.

NYY #23 · 01-05-2019, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mcdog512

Seems fairly obvious, inactivate them.

So my team is determined by the luck of the draw, and if I draw multiple of the same card they just sit on my inactive roster?

How does this benefit people? If the top complaint today is those who pay rise to the top and there is no way for F2P to compete wouldn't the same thing happen to those that got lucky with their packs? Those with the good initial cards will earn more PP, get more packs, get better players, and the unlucky will far further behind.

All paid for by what, goodwill? The hundreds of extra users all spending $0 to support it. Packs sponsored by Amazon?

mcdog512 · 01-05-2019, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by NYY #23

So my team is determined by the luck of the draw, and if I draw multiple of the same card they just sit on my inactive roster?

How does this benefit people? If the top complaint today is those who pay rise to the top and there is no way for F2P to compete wouldn't the same thing happen to those that got lucky with their packs? Those with the good initial cards will earn more PP, get more packs, get better players, and the unlucky will far further behind.

All paid for by what, goodwill? The hundreds of extra users all spending $0 to support it. Packs sponsored by Amazon?

I'm guessing idiots (edit, that might be strong, sorry! ) like us fund the whole thing The idea isn't that there are not pay to win guys. Just that they are in their own competition. Isn't that somewhat obvious?

And yes, luck with packs and being smart would drive that model. Just to be clear, I'm not strongly advocating this, just saying it might be an alternative and make it funner for a certain segment of the population.

eldur00 · 01-05-2019, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by NYY #23

So my team is determined by the luck of the draw, and if I draw multiple of the same card they just sit on my inactive roster?

How does this benefit people? If the top complaint today is those who pay rise to the top and there is no way for F2P to compete wouldn't the same thing happen to those that got lucky with their packs? Those with the good initial cards will earn more PP, get more packs, get better players, and the unlucky will far further behind.

All paid for by what, goodwill? The hundreds of extra users all spending $0 to support it. Packs sponsored by Amazon?

No offense but this mode is all about the luck of the RNG god anyway.

Most people are hoping their Corbin can keep the other team's Betts in check while their own Mookie crushes the opponent's Corbin...

While you are right about the rest, the only way these complaints lessen is if not 100% of the good cards come via packs. My hope is that in next version some tournaments will have a price to pay to participate, and the winner will get a good card that is not available in packs. Might help with some of the availability of some of the good cards, making them a bit more unique, as well as reducing the cookie cutter teams.

mcdog512 · 01-05-2019, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by eldur00

No offense but this mode is all about the luck of the RNG god anyway.

Most people are hoping their Corbin can keep the other team's Betts in check while their own Mookie crushes the opponent's Corbin...

While you are right about the rest, the only way these complaints lessen is if not 100% of the good cards come via packs. My hope is that in next version some tournaments will have a price to pay to participate, and the winner will get a good card that is not available in packs. Might help with some of the availability of some of the good cards, making them a bit more unique, as well as reducing the cookie cutter teams.

This is somewhat true. I pulled a 100 Eckersley and sold him for 42k from the start on one of my teams and funded a solid team.....this is my free to play team.

Maddox · 01-05-2019, 10:26 PM

The bottom line with these discussions in that the Devs could never make everyone happy. It is impossible. To even attempt it would be a fools game and probably water down the mode to the point where it was fun for nobody.

What is the difference if you are in a league with someone who spent $200 on points to purchase their team and being in a league with somebody who earned those 350,000 perfect points because they pulled a 100 Ty Cobb? As end users we can't tell the difference nor should we know.

If I choose to spend $500 on Perfect points I certainly don't want the devs to announce that fact to the world. If people want to assume that information based on the team I field then great but I don't need it to be confirmed by the devs by putting me in some whale league with defined spending limits. That is very close, if not an outright breach of privacy in my opinion.

Orcin · 01-05-2019, 10:26 PM

How about this... you are negotiating with yourselves. The company has already said repeatedly that there will be no separate leagues for free players. This is the game they have for you.

Orcin · 01-05-2019, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mcdog512

This is somewhat true. I pulled a 100 Eckersley and sold him for 42k from the start on one of my teams and funded a solid team.....this is my free to play team.

You could not have done this unless someone used real money to buy the points. No one has earned 42K in points via achievements in five seasons unless they used meatball teams to generate them.

Maddox · 01-05-2019, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by eldur00

Most people are hoping their Corbin can keep the other team's Betts in check while their own Mookie crushes the opponent's Corbin...

My Patrick Corbin can't even keep a Gold league in check. He has a 4.78 ERA this season.

mcdog512 · 01-05-2019, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Orcin

You could not have done this unless someone used real money to buy the points. No one has earned 42K in points via achievements in five seasons unless they used meatball teams to generate them.

There is that, I agree.

NYY #23 · 01-05-2019, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mcdog512

I'm guessing idiots (edit, that might be strong, sorry! ) like us fund the whole thing The idea isn't that there are not pay to win guys. Just that they are in their own competition. Isn't that somewhat obvious?

And yes, luck with packs and being smart would drive that model. Just to be clear, I'm not strongly advocating this, just saying it might be an alternative and make it funner for a certain segment of the population.

It is obvious that people want a separate competition from those that pay, but it should be equally obvious that it wouldn't work for the same reason I can't get my cable for free and have others pay more to supplement it. It could work, but it's not practical.

As someone who doesn't have any luck in packs I would like that mode even less, for whatever it's worth.

stl jason · 01-05-2019, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Orcin

You could not have done this unless someone used real money to buy the points. No one has earned 42K in points via achievements in five seasons unless they used meatball teams to generate them.

actually.... my pre-ww2 team has earned 45K points up to this point (been tracking their earned points daily to log them on my dynasty thread)... though about 5900 of that came from selling my initial gold card from the starter packs since he didn't fit the team....

but to your point, yeah, for the most part no one is going to sell those rare cards to make a boatload of points without someone on the other side buying those points to spend

matingly23 · 01-05-2019, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by NYY #23

It is obvious that people want a separate competition from those that pay, but it should be equally obvious that it wouldn't work for the same reason I can't get my cable for free and have others pay more to supplement it. It could work, but it's not practical.

As someone who doesn't have any luck in packs I would like that mode even less, for whatever it's worth.

Everyone who has OOTP has already paid for the game.

If you want to pay more to win against people online, then play other people who are willing to pay for that.

Server time for "free" players is more than covered already by the cost of the game IMO.

matingly23 · 01-05-2019, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Orcin

How about this... you are negotiating with yourselves. The company has already said repeatedly that there will be no separate leagues for free players. This is the game they have for you.

Well that's fine, but I would expect a lot of people to lose interest, and you'll end up with a graveyard of inactive teams with a few whales beating them down. Sounds boring for everyone.

Zorro · 01-05-2019, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by NYY #23

It is obvious that people want a separate competition from those that pay, but it should be equally obvious that it wouldn't work for the same reason I can't get my cable for free and have others pay more to supplement it. It could work, but it's not practical.

As someone who doesn't have any luck in packs I would like that mode even less, for whatever it's worth.

Perfectly said my friend.....

mcdog512 · 01-05-2019, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by NYY #23

It is obvious that people want a separate competition from those that pay, but it should be equally obvious that it wouldn't work for the same reason I can't get my cable for free and have others pay more to supplement it. It could work, but it's not practical.

As someone who doesn't have any luck in packs I would like that mode even less, for whatever it's worth.

Not a great analogy - you absolutely have to buy the game to play. So free cable is kind of a BS argument. I paid a fair amount of money so I'm not arguing with any agenda......again, just throwing out what I think might be good for the mode.

Maddox · 01-05-2019, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mcdog512

Server time for "free" players is more than covered already by the cost of the game IMO.

Why would you assume that? The price of the game has not gone up this year to accommodate this new game mode and the servers required to run it.

screamingpalm · 01-05-2019, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by NYY #23

So my team is determined by the luck of the draw, and if I draw multiple of the same card they just sit on my inactive roster?

Quick sell duplicates.

Yes the mode would not appeal to everyone. For me, the money I spent on the game went to packs and I tried to form my team around that. I don't care what the cool kids are buying.

Or I could have just bought another Corbin and Doolittle to add to the mix. But hey, whatever floats yer boat!

01-05-2019, 10:26 PM	#1068
Maddox All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 903	The bottom line with these discussions in that the Devs could never make everyone happy. It is impossible. To even attempt it would be a fools game and probably water down the mode to the point where it was fun for nobody. What is the difference if you are in a league with someone who spent $200 on points to purchase their team and being in a league with somebody who earned those 350,000 perfect points because they pulled a 100 Ty Cobb? As end users we can't tell the difference nor should we know. If I choose to spend $500 on Perfect points I certainly don't want the devs to announce that fact to the world. If people want to assume that information based on the team I field then great but I don't need it to be confirmed by the devs by putting me in some whale league with defined spending limits. That is very close, if not an outright breach of privacy in my opinion.

01-05-2019, 10:26 PM	#1069
Orcin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 9,890	How about this... you are negotiating with yourselves. The company has already said repeatedly that there will be no separate leagues for free players. This is the game they have for you.