When you start a fictional league, how many seasons do you sim ahead?

Germaniac · 03-12-2018, 11:57 AM

So, how many seasons do you sim ahead?

MBarrett · 03-12-2018, 12:03 PM

I sim ahead 20 seasons to weed out most, if not all, of the seed players.

koohead · 03-12-2018, 12:44 PM

30 starting in year 2000. takes me to 2030 and my first HOF class.

Mr. Marlin · 03-12-2018, 01:07 PM

20 at a minimum. I don't even watch the 20. Just set it up and walk away. Then I sim another 4 or five while watching and reading the league newspapers to get an idea about what the story is. Then apply for open jobs and work my way up to ML GM.

Markus Heinsohn · 03-12-2018, 01:33 PM

I create a league in 1977 (my birthyear) and then sim until 2018. Then I usually run a draft or I pick a team whose nickname I like

Germaniac · 03-12-2018, 01:33 PM

Interesting answers so far.

I did sim ahead, because that's what I read here ... and when I had simmed 20, 30 seasons I lost interest in the league, and I did it several times in several years

Two years ago I decided to start from the scratch and spent endless hours on logos, jerseys, caps and even battled my way through to create my own schedules if there wasn't one that fit my league ...

And I really really enjoy watching my league grow and I enjoy to see players that probably might end up among the all-time greats of my league or at least will have a decent shot at the Hall of Fame.

This is what amazes me about this game - there are endless options how to play it

Cryomaniac · 03-12-2018, 02:09 PM

I tend to play from the start, and zero out service time and everything at the beginning. Does make the first season's ROY award a bit meaningless though lol.

If I can ever be bothered I might do this but go through and give people contracts depending on age, so not everyone is earning the league minimum.

Orcin · 03-12-2018, 02:53 PM

I usually do 5-10 years and then jump in. Sometimes I identify the team that I want to run and sim ahead until they have a job opening.

spartacus007 · 03-12-2018, 03:01 PM

From the features list: "Can now skip player creation when adding a league to a world already in progress"

Does this mean we won't have to sim 30 years to get rid of seed players? I could just create a small number of teams and then change the league structure to add all the others.

Syd Thrift · 03-12-2018, 06:45 PM

I'm not clear as to how you'd get rid of seed players. The game will generate players, or it won't. In this scenario you could add a league and then populate the league via free agents, etc., and if you have enough extra players sitting about (like, if you've got a huge universe in the first place and you're just adding another independent to the US or something) then that could well be enough, but if it's a smaller universe you're going to need to generate players just to fill out rosters, and those players will be of the "seed" variety.

Henry · 03-12-2018, 07:04 PM

Usually 50 years. I think I like that number because the MLB had a bit more than 50 years history when I started paying attention to baseball.

It's important to have all the "charter" players retired as well.

Germaniac · 03-12-2018, 11:54 PM

Stupid question probably ...

But what's the difference between a seed player and a "real" player?

cavebutter · 03-13-2018, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Germaniac

Stupid question probably ...

But what's the difference between a seed player and a "real" player?

I'm thinking that "real" refers to the players that are created after the initial batch of players after league creation. They are all created players, of course.

cavebutter · 03-13-2018, 10:24 AM

Oh, and to answer the question, I don't care so much about the seed players, but I really do need to have a history for my fictional league to immerse me. Lowest I have done is 10, but watched the league closely for the next 10 before taking my first job. Usually it's a straight 20 years.

Germaniac · 03-13-2018, 10:45 AM

I'm still confused ...

What's the different between a seed player (apparently one that is created when you create the league) and a player that appears 20 or 30 years down the road?

I mean, they have certain ratings ... so I don't see where the difference is (except that a few talented guys at age +30 appear)

cavebutter · 03-13-2018, 11:09 AM

The theory is - at least from earlier versions of the game - that "seed" players tend to put up unrealistic career numbers relative to all of the players created after league initiation. I recall reading on the board that as of version 15 or so, this was no longer an issue, but many people disagree.

Caporegime · 03-13-2018, 11:35 AM

Great question!

I'm definitely in the minority here. I like to have at least 75, preferably closer to 100 years, worth of history in my fictional leagues before diving in. I like my fictional leagues to have as much history behind them as MLB had when I started following baseball in the now impossibly ancient year of 1976.

Cryomaniac · 03-13-2018, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Caporegime

Great question!

I'm definitely in the minority here. I like to have at least 75, preferably closer to 100 years, worth of history in my fictional leagues before diving in. I like my fictional leagues to have as much history behind them as MLB had when I started following baseball in the now impossibly ancient year of 1976.

I've been tempted to do that on occasion, but due to the vagaries of the automatic evolution system, I don't, for the most part. I might try it in 19, and just jump in every so often to do expansions, edit schedule lengths, etc. I also like the idea of a league having 9 teams for a time, which the in built schedule creation can't deal with lol.

spartacus007 · 03-13-2018, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

I'm not clear as to how you'd get rid of seed players. The game will generate players, or it won't. In this scenario you could add a league and then populate the league via free agents, etc., and if you have enough extra players sitting about (like, if you've got a huge universe in the first place and you're just adding another independent to the US or something) then that could well be enough, but if it's a smaller universe you're going to need to generate players just to fill out rosters, and those players will be of the "seed" variety.

Are players generated after initial league creation also of "seed" quality?

Gorinski · 03-13-2018, 03:01 PM

I'll sim 20 years then delete all histories, then sim another 20 years before starting. This way I will have a history but also get rid of the early years which seem to have some extreme statistical performances that I don't want to keep.

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03-12-2018, 11:57 AM	#1
Germaniac Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Frankenthal, Germany Posts: 3,102	When you start a fictional league, how many seasons do you sim ahead? So, how many seasons do you sim ahead? __________________ I'm going to have to meet my Maker some day. And if He asks me why I didn't let this boy play, and I say it's because he's black, that might not be a satisfactory answer. Happy Chandler, 1947

03-12-2018, 12:44 PM	#3
koohead Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 3,233	30 starting in year 2000. takes me to 2030 and my first HOF class. __________________ GM - New Jersey Bears of the NPBL;

03-12-2018, 01:33 PM	#5
Markus Heinsohn Developer OOTP Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 24,803	I create a league in 1977 (my birthyear) and then sim until 2018. Then I usually run a draft or I pick a team whose nickname I like __________________ Buy Out of the Park Baseball 25 now! Download OOTP Go 25 for iOS Download OOTP Go 25 for Android

03-12-2018, 01:33 PM	#6
Germaniac Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Frankenthal, Germany Posts: 3,102	Interesting answers so far. I did sim ahead, because that's what I read here ... and when I had simmed 20, 30 seasons I lost interest in the league, and I did it several times in several years Two years ago I decided to start from the scratch and spent endless hours on logos, jerseys, caps and even battled my way through to create my own schedules if there wasn't one that fit my league ... And I really really enjoy watching my league grow and I enjoy to see players that probably might end up among the all-time greats of my league or at least will have a decent shot at the Hall of Fame. This is what amazes me about this game - there are endless options how to play it __________________ I'm going to have to meet my Maker some day. And if He asks me why I didn't let this boy play, and I say it's because he's black, that might not be a satisfactory answer. Happy Chandler, 1947

03-12-2018, 12:03 PM	#2
MBarrett All Star Reserve Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 627	I sim ahead 20 seasons to weed out most, if not all, of the seed players.

03-12-2018, 01:07 PM	#4
Mr. Marlin All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,278	20 at a minimum. I don't even watch the 20. Just set it up and walk away. Then I sim another 4 or five while watching and reading the league newspapers to get an idea about what the story is. Then apply for open jobs and work my way up to ML GM.

03-12-2018, 02:09 PM	#7
Cryomaniac Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2007 Location: Hucknall, Notts, UK Posts: 4,902	I tend to play from the start, and zero out service time and everything at the beginning. Does make the first season's ROY award a bit meaningless though lol. If I can ever be bothered I might do this but go through and give people contracts depending on age, so not everyone is earning the league minimum. __________________ Last edited by Cryomaniac; 03-12-2018 at 02:13 PM.

03-12-2018, 02:53 PM	#8
Orcin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 9,884	I usually do 5-10 years and then jump in. Sometimes I identify the team that I want to run and sim ahead until they have a job opening.

03-12-2018, 03:01 PM	#9
spartacus007 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: NW Arkansas Posts: 262	From the features list: "Can now skip player creation when adding a league to a world already in progress" Does this mean we won't have to sim 30 years to get rid of seed players? I could just create a small number of teams and then change the league structure to add all the others. __________________

03-12-2018, 07:04 PM	#11
Henry Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,498	Usually 50 years. I think I like that number because the MLB had a bit more than 50 years history when I started paying attention to baseball. It's important to have all the "charter" players retired as well.

03-12-2018, 11:54 PM	#12
Germaniac Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Frankenthal, Germany Posts: 3,102	Stupid question probably ... But what's the difference between a seed player and a "real" player? __________________ I'm going to have to meet my Maker some day. And if He asks me why I didn't let this boy play, and I say it's because he's black, that might not be a satisfactory answer. Happy Chandler, 1947

03-13-2018, 10:24 AM	#14
cavebutter All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,163	Oh, and to answer the question, I don't care so much about the seed players, but I really do need to have a history for my fictional league to immerse me. Lowest I have done is 10, but watched the league closely for the next 10 before taking my first job. Usually it's a straight 20 years. __________________ MySQL, MyStruggle - A self-indulgent blog about my attempts to roll my own MySQL Database with OOTP Logo Gallery

03-13-2018, 10:45 AM	#15
Germaniac Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Frankenthal, Germany Posts: 3,102	I'm still confused ... What's the different between a seed player (apparently one that is created when you create the league) and a player that appears 20 or 30 years down the road? I mean, they have certain ratings ... so I don't see where the difference is (except that a few talented guys at age +30 appear) __________________ I'm going to have to meet my Maker some day. And if He asks me why I didn't let this boy play, and I say it's because he's black, that might not be a satisfactory answer. Happy Chandler, 1947

03-13-2018, 11:09 AM	#16
cavebutter All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,163	The theory is - at least from earlier versions of the game - that "seed" players tend to put up unrealistic career numbers relative to all of the players created after league initiation. I recall reading on the board that as of version 15 or so, this was no longer an issue, but many people disagree. __________________ MySQL, MyStruggle - A self-indulgent blog about my attempts to roll my own MySQL Database with OOTP Logo Gallery

03-13-2018, 11:35 AM	#17
Caporegime All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: The Borough of Kings Posts: 1,713	Great question! I'm definitely in the minority here. I like to have at least 75, preferably closer to 100 years, worth of history in my fictional leagues before diving in. I like my fictional leagues to have as much history behind them as MLB had when I started following baseball in the now impossibly ancient year of 1976. __________________ "If you don't know where you are going, you'll wind up someplace else." - Lawrence Peter Berra Last edited by Caporegime; 03-13-2018 at 11:36 AM.

03-13-2018, 03:01 PM	#20
Gorinski Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 78	I'll sim 20 years then delete all histories, then sim another 20 years before starting. This way I will have a history but also get rid of the early years which seem to have some extreme statistical performances that I don't want to keep.