Team with losing record wins World Series

Midge888 · 12-28-2017, 03:58 PM

Not sure how often people see something like this but it shows how the playoffs can be a bit of a lottery. Seattle won their division with a 80-82 record, then beat a wild card team before taking the Divisional series. They won the ALCS by beating the 104-game winning Orioles and finally took the WS in 6 games.

r0nster · 12-28-2017, 07:10 PM

nearly happened with the KC royals in 1984 as far as winning the division as they were bearly above .500

NoOne · 12-29-2017, 02:40 PM

cardinals were 82-80 in 2006. those bas%$rds! (lol, detroit is the rodney dangerfield of sports)

that was THE year! ..worse than choking against boston.. %#$ #$% 82-80 team! shouldn't even be allowed in the playoffs!

<ahem>

anyway, i don't think a sub-.500 has done it in RL but it can definitely happen - google can answer that, if interested... more liekly now than ever before. at some point if they keep expanding it might hurt the chances? too many series to win = lower % even with more opportunities? maybe?

stl jason · 12-29-2017, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by NoOne

cardinals were 82-80 in 2006. those bas%$rds! (lol, detroit is the rodney dangerfield of sports)

that was THE year! ..worse than choking against boston.. %#$ #$% 82-80 team! shouldn't even be allowed in the playoffs!

<ahem>

anyway, i don't think a sub-.500 has done it in RL but it can definitely happen - google can answer that, if interested... more liekly now than ever before. at some point if they keep expanding it might hurt the chances? too many series to win = lower % even with more opportunities? maybe?

hey now... don't sell that Cards team short...

they won 83 games that year

(83-78... one rain-out never got replayed as it wouldn't have made a difference)

joefromchicago · 12-29-2017, 04:10 PM

The 1973 Mets went 82-79 and won the NL pennant by beating the Reds (99-63). The Mets then lost to the A's in the WS. That's the closest that any major league has come to having a sub-.500 team win it all.

bwburke94 · 12-30-2017, 04:45 PM

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Seattle won their division with a 80-82 record, then beat a wild card team before taking the Divisional series.

Something about that statement seems... wrong. Two things, actually.

krownroyal83 · 12-31-2017, 04:19 PM

In my fictional league a team with a 23-31 record made it to the finals, beating a 33-21 team in a best of 5 series 3-0 before taking on the top seed team with a record of 35-19 and beating them 3-1 in a best of 5 series. They would fall short in the finals in the best of 7 series losing 4-2, but I was pretty impressed.

NoOne · 01-01-2018, 12:36 PM

4 team division is much more likely to have 4 bad teams than a 6 team division having 6 bad teams. so, smaller (or more) divisions makes this more likely to occur. of course, more playoff slots makes it likely too... just look at the NHL.

this can definitely happen in real life and will, eventually.

side note: how the heck can a pro league allow more than half the teams into the playoffs like the NHL. i'm a fan of the wings, but their playoff streak pales in comparison to other major pro sports teams for this exact reason. 25 is more like 12-18 in other leagues, by some neutralized %chance of "making it" per league to compare apples to apples.

Brad K · 01-01-2018, 08:17 PM

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side note: how the heck can a pro league allow more than half the teams into the playoffs like the NHL.

Playoff ticket money.

Playoff souvenir money.

Playoff TV money.

Brad K · 01-01-2018, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by NoOne

4 team division is much more likely to have 4 bad teams than a 6 team division having 6 bad teams. so, smaller (or more) divisions makes this more likely to occur. of course, more playoff slots makes it likely too... just look at the NHL.

Also scheduling. I see little point in having a division unless a team plays all or most of its games against division opponents. Because when teams play "everyone" and there are wild cards too divisions mean little. They just obscure the reality, which is they might as well throw every team into one group and take the top x number of teams for the playoffs. Because that's what's happening.

TheMaus2 · 01-01-2018, 09:14 PM

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Also scheduling. I see little point in having a division unless a team plays all or most of its games against division opponents. Because when teams play "everyone" and there are wild cards too divisions mean little. They just obscure the reality, which is they might as well throw every team into one group and take the top x number of teams for the playoffs. Because that's what's happening.

In basketball, yes. I don't know about everyone else, though.

bwburke94 · 01-04-2018, 04:54 AM

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In basketball, yes. I don't know about everyone else, though.

I suppose that's why the NBA more-or-less ditched divisions.

dpd376 · 01-06-2018, 12:46 PM

Texas was leading the AL West with 52-62 in 1994 when the strike started. I wish that disaster had been aloud to continue.

They would have had to go back to four division champs only (preferably with no inter-league and an unbalanced schedule between divisions). Unlike the NBA a short series in baseball is pretty much a crap shoot.

bwburke94 · 01-13-2018, 09:00 AM

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They would have had to go back to four division champs only (preferably with no inter-league and an unbalanced schedule between divisions).

Let's hope you meant four overall, not four per league...

dpd376 · 01-13-2018, 06:10 PM

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Let's hope you meant four overall, not four per league...

I meant total, two per league.

12-28-2017, 03:58 PM	#1
Midge888 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Leeds, UK Posts: 21	Team with losing record wins World Series Not sure how often people see something like this but it shows how the playoffs can be a bit of a lottery. Seattle won their division with a 80-82 record, then beat a wild card team before taking the Divisional series. They won the ALCS by beating the 104-game winning Orioles and finally took the WS in 6 games. Attached Images

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NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	cardinals were 82-80 in 2006. those bas%$rds! (lol, detroit is the rodney dangerfield of sports) that was THE year! ..worse than choking against boston.. %#$ #$% 82-80 team! shouldn't even be allowed in the playoffs! <ahem> anyway, i don't think a sub-.500 has done it in RL but it can definitely happen - google can answer that, if interested... more liekly now than ever before. at some point if they keep expanding it might hurt the chances? too many series to win = lower % even with more opportunities? maybe? Last edited by NoOne; 12-29-2017 at 02:41 PM.

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joefromchicago Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 3,726	The 1973 Mets went 82-79 and won the NL pennant by beating the Reds (99-63). The Mets then lost to the A's in the WS. That's the closest that any major league has come to having a sub-.500 team win it all. __________________ American-Ethnic (and Canadian) Namesets Historical Minor League Schedules 1870s City/Team Nickname Randomizers "It's Usually Sunny in Philadelphia" weather mod Negro League Schedules

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r0nster Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,082	nearly happened with the KC royals in 1984 as far as winning the division as they were bearly above .500

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krownroyal83 All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 1,003	In my fictional league a team with a 23-31 record made it to the finals, beating a 33-21 team in a best of 5 series 3-0 before taking on the top seed team with a record of 35-19 and beating them 3-1 in a best of 5 series. They would fall short in the finals in the best of 7 series losing 4-2, but I was pretty impressed.

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NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	4 team division is much more likely to have 4 bad teams than a 6 team division having 6 bad teams. so, smaller (or more) divisions makes this more likely to occur. of course, more playoff slots makes it likely too... just look at the NHL. this can definitely happen in real life and will, eventually. side note: how the heck can a pro league allow more than half the teams into the playoffs like the NHL. i'm a fan of the wings, but their playoff streak pales in comparison to other major pro sports teams for this exact reason. 25 is more like 12-18 in other leagues, by some neutralized %chance of "making it" per league to compare apples to apples.