The game needs to stop underrating old players

realstar · 06-09-2017, 03:05 PM

Ex: It's 1998. Orel Hershiser is pitching for Cleveland at age 38.
Last year he went 16-6 in 26 starts with 3.87 ERA & 111 strikeouts, 103 ERA+
This year, Orel's real life stats include
a 15-9 W-L in 33 starts, 4.24 ERA, 125 strikeouts, 94 ERA+

OSA Scouting Report Summary:
"This guy must be a con artist, since he somehow fooled scouts into thinking he has talent."
STUFF: "Pedestrian stuff..." etc
Ratings:
mediocre stuff (yellow)
weak movement (red) 0.9 HR/9 in real life for this year
mediocre control (yellow) 2.5 BB/9 in real life for this year

The underrating of older players is a default standard in OOTP and always has been one of the weakest elements of the game. You can't just assume that all older players are weak.

bjohn13 · 06-16-2017, 10:05 AM

I personally feel that this is somewhat realistic. Look at it this way. Once a player hits 35, he is going to be a gamble no matter how much of a powerhouse he has been. The reason why isn't necessarily because a player's skill level decreases. It has more to do with the fact that as one gets older, it takes more and more energy to get out of bed every day. Then you have to go stand in the blazing sun for 162 games a year.

It is almost impossible to predict this about someone, though, so the only natural recourse is to adjust a player's ratings downward as he gets older.

I would contend that by 1998, Hershiser was winning spots on rotations as much because of his reputation of being a formerly dominant pitcher as his actual ability. He really wasn't that good in those waning years of his career other than his ability to chew up a bunch of innings.

darkcloud4579 · 06-16-2017, 02:30 PM

My way of dealing with this is at a certain point during the year to make old players a bit younger so that the game allows for a Barry Bonds type situation. Game still won't let anyone play past 45 and while it's rare, it's nice to see a bit of oddball. I can see why you wouldn't program that into the game, but so long as it's capable to do it on your own, then I'm good with it.

06-09-2017, 03:05 PM	#1
realstar Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 81	The game needs to stop underrating old players Ex: It's 1998. Orel Hershiser is pitching for Cleveland at age 38. Last year he went 16-6 in 26 starts with 3.87 ERA & 111 strikeouts, 103 ERA+ This year, Orel's real life stats include a 15-9 W-L in 33 starts, 4.24 ERA, 125 strikeouts, 94 ERA+ OSA Scouting Report Summary: "This guy must be a con artist, since he somehow fooled scouts into thinking he has talent." STUFF: "Pedestrian stuff..." etc Ratings: mediocre stuff (yellow) weak movement (red) 0.9 HR/9 in real life for this year mediocre control (yellow) 2.5 BB/9 in real life for this year The underrating of older players is a default standard in OOTP and always has been one of the weakest elements of the game. You can't just assume that all older players are weak. __________________ "The use of defensive shifts has exploded in Major League Baseball -- a 440-percent increase just since 2010, according to Baseball Info Solutions. So increasingly, defenses are judged not just by their personnel but how that personnel is specifically deployed, pitch by pitch." --Anthony Castrovince, Sports on Earth

06-16-2017, 02:30 PM	#3
darkcloud4579 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 8,654	My way of dealing with this is at a certain point during the year to make old players a bit younger so that the game allows for a Barry Bonds type situation. Game still won't let anyone play past 45 and while it's rare, it's nice to see a bit of oddball. I can see why you wouldn't program that into the game, but so long as it's capable to do it on your own, then I'm good with it. __________________ ------ My Mods Managerial Strategy Pack Competitive Balance Tax Calculator Major League Women's Baseball (OOTP24) quickstart Indian Premier League \| 300+ years of baseball quickstart \| Expatriate League quickstart \| Off-Field Injuries Update \| Women's Name File for OOTP \| ---- Dynasty classics: Centurion comes to OOTP5 \| DC Moneyball Dynasty (2004)

06-16-2017, 10:05 AM	#2
bjohn13 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2017 Posts: 47	I personally feel that this is somewhat realistic. Look at it this way. Once a player hits 35, he is going to be a gamble no matter how much of a powerhouse he has been. The reason why isn't necessarily because a player's skill level decreases. It has more to do with the fact that as one gets older, it takes more and more energy to get out of bed every day. Then you have to go stand in the blazing sun for 162 games a year. It is almost impossible to predict this about someone, though, so the only natural recourse is to adjust a player's ratings downward as he gets older. I would contend that by 1998, Hershiser was winning spots on rotations as much because of his reputation of being a formerly dominant pitcher as his actual ability. He really wasn't that good in those waning years of his career other than his ability to chew up a bunch of innings.