Fleecing the AI...

Ty Cobb · 03-18-2016, 09:08 PM

Just traded Ollie Brown for Tom Seaver and Bob Grich. Sure it's 1965. I'll wait.

Lukas Berger · 03-18-2016, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ty Cobb

Just traded Ollie Brown for Tom Seaver and Bob Grich. Sure it's 1965. I'll wait.

Ouch! What trade difficulty level? You might want to go up a level or two

pstrickert · 03-18-2016, 09:16 PM

Two years before Seaver debuted in MLB and five years before Grich. Is that right? Not sure the trade engine was designed to deal with having historical minor leagues in the game. Maybe?

Lukas Berger · 03-18-2016, 09:17 PM

Although, if you're playing with the OOTP development engine and not with recalc, you never know how guys will turn out in the end, just like trading for prospects in 2016 works

If you're playing with recalc though, then yeah that's the fleecing of a lifetime!

sonic80 · 03-18-2016, 09:31 PM

I've utilized the future knowledge I have to sign Frank Thomas and Jack McDowell to cheap long-term extensions before their full potential was realized

Trebro · 03-18-2016, 10:23 PM

I think that's my biggest problem with playing historical personally. Even with randomness on, it's hard not to grab people you know will usually be good. I should try again, maybe with trading off?

Ty Cobb · 03-29-2016, 06:55 PM

Oddly enough, trading difficulty was set to high.

actionjackson · 03-29-2016, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ty Cobb

Oddly enough, trading difficulty was set to high.

Ah, but did you have favour prospects on? I'm not sure the AI would let Grich and Seaver get away without extracting a king's ransom with that setting.

The Wolf · 03-30-2016, 09:12 AM

Very hard, highly favor prospects.

edtheguy · 03-30-2016, 09:24 AM

I play one historical replay of some sort each year and the only way I can keep things close to fair is with trading set to very hard, highly favor prospects - as the other's have said.

This year I also left scouting off, which I don't think I've done before. I figure if I have perfect(ish) knowledge then the AI should as well.

Of course if I'm feeling very peckish I turn on the player development engine and go with full scouting on low accuracy - but that's a whole different ballgame.

Scoman · 03-30-2016, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

Very hard, highly favor prospects.

+1 For Historical,what is the consensus for fictional?

Syd Thrift · 03-30-2016, 10:10 AM

Stats-only, take whatever difficulty suits you.

Seriously, if you don't know in advance who is going to be good, the whole "trading a good player for a couple of top prospects" thing starts to make a lot more sense.

The Wolf · 03-30-2016, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoman

+1 For Historical,what is the consensus for fictional?

Hard, neutral.

The Wolf · 03-30-2016, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

Stats-only, take whatever difficulty suits you.

Seriously, if you don't know in advance who is going to be good, the whole "trading a good player for a couple of top prospects" thing starts to make a lot more sense.

Plus you try to trade away a good player at the height of his value, and you have to guess when that is. Sometimes he declines afterwards, sometimes he doesn't. Sometimes one or more of the prospects you traded for work out, and sometimes none of them do. You pay your money and you take your chances.

Caporegime · 03-30-2016, 11:41 PM

I usually stay in commish mode for historical sims, but if I want to play as a GM or manager I like to randomize as much as possible to keep things a bit more honest. Yeah, Willie Mays may still be Willie Mays for the most part, but with recalc off and randomess set to 200, there's a chance Ollie Brown might be Willie Mays too.

I've seen some kooky twists and turns over the years with those settings. Certainly enough to fog up the crystal ball you possesses as a GM in historical mode.

progen · 03-31-2016, 06:20 AM

In my historical game, stats only of course, and using the OOTP development engine, Willie Mays had two decent years, and then was just average after that. Got my attention, because when I checked the trade block, he was on there. I generally play fictional, stats only, but I like historical now, with the minor league players included. Brings back memories of seeing many of those players at Connie Mack Stadium in the 60's. And then I find myself asking the question on a certain player, "I wonder if he's still alive", and I'll immediately go to Baseball Reference to check that. Sad to see that some of those players passed away at an early age.

03-18-2016, 09:08 PM	#1
Ty Cobb Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Grayling, MI Posts: 4,622	Fleecing the AI... Just traded Ollie Brown for Tom Seaver and Bob Grich. Sure it's 1965. I'll wait. __________________ "You could not live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me." Thanos

03-29-2016, 06:55 PM	#7
Ty Cobb Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Grayling, MI Posts: 4,622	Oddly enough, trading difficulty was set to high. __________________ "You could not live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me." Thanos

03-30-2016, 11:41 PM	#15
Caporegime All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: The Borough of Kings Posts: 1,713	This why I like turning recalc off and setting the RTC to 200. I usually stay in commish mode for historical sims, but if I want to play as a GM or manager I like to randomize as much as possible to keep things a bit more honest. Yeah, Willie Mays may still be Willie Mays for the most part, but with recalc off and randomess set to 200, there's a chance Ollie Brown might be Willie Mays too. I've seen some kooky twists and turns over the years with those settings. Certainly enough to fog up the crystal ball you possesses as a GM in historical mode. __________________ "If you don't know where you are going, you'll wind up someplace else." - Lawrence Peter Berra

03-18-2016, 09:16 PM	#3
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 17,035	Two years before Seaver debuted in MLB and five years before Grich. Is that right? Not sure the trade engine was designed to deal with having historical minor leagues in the game. Maybe?

03-18-2016, 09:17 PM	#4
Lukas Berger OOTP Developments Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Nice, Côte d'Azur, France Posts: 22,214	Although, if you're playing with the OOTP development engine and not with recalc, you never know how guys will turn out in the end, just like trading for prospects in 2016 works If you're playing with recalc though, then yeah that's the fleecing of a lifetime!

03-18-2016, 09:31 PM	#5
sonic80 Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 12	I've utilized the future knowledge I have to sign Frank Thomas and Jack McDowell to cheap long-term extensions before their full potential was realized

03-18-2016, 10:23 PM	#6
Trebro All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 756	I think that's my biggest problem with playing historical personally. Even with randomness on, it's hard not to grab people you know will usually be good. I should try again, maybe with trading off?

03-30-2016, 09:24 AM	#10
edtheguy Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Maine Posts: 70	I play one historical replay of some sort each year and the only way I can keep things close to fair is with trading set to very hard, highly favor prospects - as the other's have said. This year I also left scouting off, which I don't think I've done before. I figure if I have perfect(ish) knowledge then the AI should as well. Of course if I'm feeling very peckish I turn on the player development engine and go with full scouting on low accuracy - but that's a whole different ballgame.

03-31-2016, 06:20 AM	#16
progen All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,535 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	In my historical game, stats only of course, and using the OOTP development engine, Willie Mays had two decent years, and then was just average after that. Got my attention, because when I checked the trade block, he was on there. I generally play fictional, stats only, but I like historical now, with the minor league players included. Brings back memories of seeing many of those players at Connie Mack Stadium in the 60's. And then I find myself asking the question on a certain player, "I wonder if he's still alive", and I'll immediately go to Baseball Reference to check that. Sad to see that some of those players passed away at an early age.