MLB Post Trading Deadline Waivers

kq76 · 08-06-2003, 05:31 PM

Can someone explain to me how it is so easy to complete a trade through waivers after the trading deadline? What is the process?

JerseyPride · 08-06-2003, 05:33 PM

Must be easy... The Seattle Mariners traded reliever Jeff Nelson to the New York Yankees on Wednesday for right-hander Armando Benitez and cash.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns

sporr · 08-06-2003, 05:39 PM

There are several waiver periods during the season. There is also a limit on how many players a team can place on waivers per day. Basically, when a player is placed on waivers, other teams have a chance to pick up the player, but they are then responsible for the player's contract I believe. Also, some teams send so many players through waivers that it creates a screen for the player that they are really interested in trading. You may have seen Sosa's name on the waiver wire not too long ago for example.

Once a player clears waivers (i.e. no team claims him), the team is free to release the player or to trade them after the deadline. If a team does claim the player, the team requesting the waiver for the player can always pull him off waivers and keep him and try again next waiver period.

Here's a good site for transaction rule information:

http://www.baseballprimer.com/articl...-07-04_0.shtml

kq76 · 08-06-2003, 06:05 PM

Jersey, that's the exact trade that made me ask the question.

Sporr, thanks! That was the exact explanation I was looking for. I didn't realize you could retract a player from waivers. So I guess most teams don't bother claiming players because they figure the team will just retract the waiver.

sporr · 08-06-2003, 06:10 PM

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Originally posted by kq76
Jersey, that's the exact trade that made me ask the question.

Sporr, thanks! That was the exact explanation I was looking for. I didn't realize you could retract a player from waivers. So I guess most teams don't bother claiming players because they figure the team will just retract the waiver.

Yeah, there's sometimes some strategy involved. You might claim a player to prevent him from being traded to a rival (if that's what the rumors are). Then, the team that was requesting waivers for the player might just let you have him and stick you with his salary. Teams have to be pretty careful with their decisions.

JerseyPride · 08-06-2003, 06:11 PM

Would there be anyway to see what teams placed what players on waivers?

Hammer755 · 08-06-2003, 06:21 PM

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Originally posted by sporr
Yeah, there's sometimes some strategy involved. You might claim a player to prevent him from being traded to a rival (if that's what the rumors are). Then, the team that was requesting waivers for the player might just let you have him and stick you with his salary. Teams have to be pretty careful with their decisions.

Probably the most famous of these situations was in 1998. The Jays put Randy Myers on waivers, and it was well known that the Braves wanted Myers. So the Padres placed a claim on Myers to block him from going to Atlanta and ended up with his bloated salary (if multiple teams claim the same player, he goes to the team with the worst record).

It turned out OK for San Diego, as they still beat the Braves in the NLCS, but they got stuck with a washed-up pitcher and his $10MM contract.

LivnLegend · 08-06-2003, 07:07 PM

KQ, part of the reason it is easier that it used to be is the complex financial situations of most clubs prohibit them from blocking a rival’s waiver request just for the sake of blocking it. In the past, you may see a playoff hopeful team try to make a deal for a player from a team out of contention after the trade deadline. Another team, seeing the player in question in the waiver process would put in a claim for that player just so their rival does not get the guy. The team that was trying to trade the player would then have to withdraw the waiver request on the player. You won’t see that as much any more because many teams do not have the money to play around with in regards to picking up a player they don’t need if their waiver block results in them getting the player. You have teams close to the luxury threshold and teams already bleeding money so those teams would be more apt to let the player pass through.

CommishJoe · 08-06-2003, 09:35 PM

This was how the Yanks ended up with Canseco a couple of years ago. They wanted to prevent him ending up back with OAK I believe, and the Devil Rays let them have him.

MrWorkrate · 08-07-2003, 09:57 AM

I believe the trade pretty much had to be made between Seattle and the Yankees. The Yankees put Benitez through waivers and he was claimed by Seattle, and Seattle had placed Nelson on waivers, and he was claimed by New York. Technically, they could only have been traded to the team that claimed them or else not been eligible for trade (had their original teams pulled them back). So, they ended up being traded for each other.

SoxWin · 08-07-2003, 02:11 PM

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Originally posted by MrWorkrate
I believe the trade pretty much had to be made between Seattle and the Yankees. The Yankees put Benitez through waivers and he was claimed by Seattle, and Seattle had placed Nelson on waivers, and he was claimed by New York. Technically, they could only have been traded to the team that claimed them or else not been eligible for trade (had their original teams pulled them back). So, they ended up being traded for each other.

That's true but I'm very surprised the White Sox didn't put in a claim on either of them. A little extra help for Gordon could do nothing but help.

OldGiants · 08-07-2003, 02:32 PM

Is there a list of the players who have currently cleared waivers?

This would be most interesting, for these guys acquire more value, since they can be moved to any team down the stretch. They are the most likely players to go to a contender, come September.

RBPD5015 · 08-07-2003, 03:31 PM

Please explain to me how and the hell Sosa cleared waivers, and please tell me why the Cubs put his ass on waivers to start with?

matt

SoxWin · 08-07-2003, 03:46 PM

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Originally posted by RBPD5015
Please explain to me how and the hell Sosa cleared waivers, and please tell me why the Cubs put his ass on waivers to start with?

matt

1. He makes a ton of cash, how many teams can realistically afford him? If he is claimed, it means nothing except the Cubbies can trade him IF they want to.

2. It's a formality. Most teams throw their whole 40 man on waivers just to see who gets claimed and who doesn't. Anyone claimed can be pulled back and kept, anyone not claimed can be traded after July 31.

I'm guessing it's easier to put your whole roster on waivers then to request waivers on a specific guy. One guy being waived on August 7th attracts more attention to that player then listing him with the rest of your 40 man on August 1st.

Rich

SoxWin · 08-07-2003, 06:42 PM

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Originally posted by JerseyPride
Would there be anyway to see what teams placed what players on waivers?

Probably just about every guy on a 40 man roster was placed on waivers.

These guys however, cleared and can be traded

Rich

08-06-2003, 05:31 PM	#1
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08-06-2003, 05:33 PM	#2
JerseyPride All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2003 Location: Dirtay Jerzey Posts: 951	Must be easy... The Seattle Mariners traded reliever Jeff Nelson to the New York Yankees on Wednesday for right-hander Armando Benitez and cash. http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns __________________ "I guess you could call the Yanks my daddys." -Pedro Martinez

08-06-2003, 06:05 PM	#4
kq76 Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 12,051	Jersey, that's the exact trade that made me ask the question. Sporr, thanks! That was the exact explanation I was looking for. I didn't realize you could retract a player from waivers. So I guess most teams don't bother claiming players because they figure the team will just retract the waiver. __________________ My OOTP Wishlist \| My FAQ List OOTP Wiki \| Your Recommended Team Nicknames, By City (A Crowdsourced Project) For Beta/Devs: Full screen (1920x1080)

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JerseyPride All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2003 Location: Dirtay Jerzey Posts: 951	Would there be anyway to see what teams placed what players on waivers? __________________ "I guess you could call the Yanks my daddys." -Pedro Martinez

08-06-2003, 07:07 PM	#8
LivnLegend Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: 100% pure adrenaline! Posts: 5,624	KQ, part of the reason it is easier that it used to be is the complex financial situations of most clubs prohibit them from blocking a rival’s waiver request just for the sake of blocking it. In the past, you may see a playoff hopeful team try to make a deal for a player from a team out of contention after the trade deadline. Another team, seeing the player in question in the waiver process would put in a claim for that player just so their rival does not get the guy. The team that was trying to trade the player would then have to withdraw the waiver request on the player. You won’t see that as much any more because many teams do not have the money to play around with in regards to picking up a player they don’t need if their waiver block results in them getting the player. You have teams close to the luxury threshold and teams already bleeding money so those teams would be more apt to let the player pass through. __________________ Excess ain't rebellion. You're drinking what they're selling.

08-06-2003, 05:39 PM	#3
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	There are several waiver periods during the season. There is also a limit on how many players a team can place on waivers per day. Basically, when a player is placed on waivers, other teams have a chance to pick up the player, but they are then responsible for the player's contract I believe. Also, some teams send so many players through waivers that it creates a screen for the player that they are really interested in trading. You may have seen Sosa's name on the waiver wire not too long ago for example. Once a player clears waivers (i.e. no team claims him), the team is free to release the player or to trade them after the deadline. If a team does claim the player, the team requesting the waiver for the player can always pull him off waivers and keep him and try again next waiver period. Here's a good site for transaction rule information: http://www.baseballprimer.com/articl...-07-04_0.shtml

08-06-2003, 09:35 PM	#9
CommishJoe Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,238	This was how the Yanks ended up with Canseco a couple of years ago. They wanted to prevent him ending up back with OAK I believe, and the Devil Rays let them have him. __________________ Joe Success isn’t owned. It’s leased. And rent is due every day.

08-07-2003, 09:57 AM	#10
MrWorkrate All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,262	I believe the trade pretty much had to be made between Seattle and the Yankees. The Yankees put Benitez through waivers and he was claimed by Seattle, and Seattle had placed Nelson on waivers, and he was claimed by New York. Technically, they could only have been traded to the team that claimed them or else not been eligible for trade (had their original teams pulled them back). So, they ended up being traded for each other. __________________ I used to come here a lot. Now, not so much.

08-07-2003, 02:32 PM	#12
OldGiants Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 211	Is there a list of the players who have currently cleared waivers? This would be most interesting, for these guys acquire more value, since they can be moved to any team down the stretch. They are the most likely players to go to a contender, come September.

08-07-2003, 03:31 PM	#13
RBPD5015 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 240	Please explain to me how and the hell Sosa cleared waivers, and please tell me why the Cubs put his ass on waivers to start with? matt