Stats only

[Questdog]

Originally Posted by TribeFanInNC

I just work under a new paradigm that the draft is much more random in stats only. First round picks are less reliable, more ML talent from later rounds. In actuality, I think it makes it more fair because you probably aren't any better in drafting than the AI in stats only. Normalizes the situation a bit.

Obviously feeder leagues are a must. Gives you at least something to work from.

As noted, you should still be able to see what pitches the players have IIRC, just not the rating of each pitch.

Feeder leagues make it harder, believe it or not.

The stats the game generates for the draft are much more reliable than the stats you get from feeder leagues.

[battists]

Originally Posted by Questdog

Feeder leagues make it harder, believe it or not.

The stats the game generates for the draft are much more reliable than the stats you get from feeder leagues.

Man don't tell me this now.

[Questdog]

Originally Posted by battists

Man don't tell me this now.

Yes....

The stats that accrue in feeder leagues are based on the actual ratings, which at those young ages have very little in common with their potential.

[TribeFanInNC]

Originally Posted by Questdog

The stats that accrue in feeder leagues are based on the actual ratings, which at those young ages have very little in common with their potential.

Yeah, I find this to be a little wrinkle that I like in using feeder leagues. Again, makes the draft more random, which I equate to being more realistic. There are a lot of players in RL that look good in college and don't get much better.

The generated stats with feeders off are probably indeed more predictive though I can't say I've setup leagues that way.

[sprague]

Originally Posted by Questdog

Yes....

The stats that accrue in feeder leagues are based on the actual ratings, which at those young ages have very little in common with their potential.

Hey quest, not sure that is right. Haven't played with feeders in 16 so it might have changed

But in all previous versions the player stats are based only on potential.
I did tests. Gave a hs player 200 hr but 20 potential another group 20 actual and 200 potential.
The potential guys always led the league which makes sense in learning who to draft.

Maybe someone recently has done a actual potential feeder test recently to let us know.

Ps recently it looks like I have been trolling quest, but I respect his hard work with the game knowledge. Just happens to be his posts I am making a comment. Nothing personal

[Questdog]

Originally Posted by sprague

Hey quest, not sure that is right. Haven't played with feeders in 16 so it might have changed

But in all previous versions the player stats are based only on potential.
I did tests. Gave a hs player 200 hr but 20 potential another group 20 actual and 200 potential.
The potential guys always led the league which makes sense in learning who to draft.

Maybe someone recently has done a actual potential feeder test recently to let us know.

Ps recently it looks like I have been trolling quest, but I respect his hard work with the game knowledge. Just happens to be his posts I am making a comment. Nothing personal

I studied this hard back when I fell in love with feeder leagues but hated that the college player of the year would be a 9th round pick.

I will see if what you say has merit.

[battists]

I like the idea that I can look at a player's HS stats and know that, while he may not end up hitting a ton of homers, I can at least see tendencies like "he walks a lot" or "he has power".

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by sprague

Hey quest, not sure that is right. Haven't played with feeders in 16 so it might have changed

But in all previous versions the player stats are based only on potential.
I did tests. Gave a hs player 200 hr but 20 potential another group 20 actual and 200 potential.
The potential guys always led the league which makes sense in learning who to draft.

Maybe someone recently has done a actual potential feeder test recently to let us know.

Ps recently it looks like I have been trolling quest, but I respect his hard work with the game knowledge. Just happens to be his posts I am making a comment. Nothing personal

Well, of course that's the case. That's self-evident; stats are generated everywhere based on current ratings, not potential ones. The real question is how well do potential stats correlate with current ones. If there's that much give, I'd much prefer to see a more set amount for college grads, for instance, hovering around 80-90% with only a little bit of wiggle room (although high schoolers might only be 50% and college sophomores 70-80%, so a guy who put up huge numbers as a soph would have to be considered a big prospect indeed).

I don't play with feeder leagues for other reasons: basically, every single player that participates in them is considered major league ready when in reality only a small percentage of high schoolers especially but also collegians are even drafted, and even at *that* something like half of them on average get drafted but don't sign for whatever reason.

[Questdog]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

I don't play with feeder leagues for other reasons: basically, every single player that participates in them is considered major league ready when in reality only a small percentage of high schoolers especially but also collegians are even drafted, and even at *that* something like half of them on average get drafted but don't sign for whatever reason.

Well, you could overcome that by having 3000 HS teams and 400 college teams.....

I don't have a problem with that aspect, myself. A little abstraction is nothing evil.

[Questdog]

Originally Posted by sprague

Hey quest, not sure that is right. Haven't played with feeders in 16 so it might have changed

But in all previous versions the player stats are based only on potential.
I did tests. Gave a hs player 200 hr but 20 potential another group 20 actual and 200 potential.
The potential guys always led the league which makes sense in learning who to draft.

Maybe someone recently has done a actual potential feeder test recently to let us know.

Ps recently it looks like I have been trolling quest, but I respect his hard work with the game knowledge. Just happens to be his posts I am making a comment. Nothing personal

Your premise appears to be true!

I ran some tests and the actual ratings seemed to make no difference to the results.

A player with maxed actual ratings and minned potentials sucked and the opposite player tore the league a new one.....

This is a great discovery and means that I will soon be playing with feeder leagues again.

Thanks!

[battists]

Originally Posted by Questdog

Your premise appears to be true!

Questdog, you're enough of a veteran of the Internet. I would have thought you would've known that this "acceptance of others' opinions and rational arguments" is frowned upon.

Sheesh.

[Questdog]

Originally Posted by battists

Questdog, you're enough of a veteran of the Internet. I would have thought you would've known that this "acceptance of others' opinions and rational arguments" is frowned upon.

Sheesh.

Well, all I can say is that I would swear that this was not the case the last time I played with feeder leagues and is why I did not like them.

I have left a question in the Beta Forums to see when this changed or if it has always been that way and I was just an idiot.....

[sprague]

Originally Posted by Questdog

Well, all I can say is that I would swear that this was not the case the last time I played with feeder leagues and is why I did not like them.

I have left a question in the Beta Forums to see when this changed or if it has always been that way and I was just an idiot.....

Been like this for me since ootp 12.

The small problem is the ai will after choosing it's starting 9 will set the order based on actual ratings though the game stats go by potential. So often the real big hitter may bat 8 or 9 based on how the ai sets its lineup

[Questdog]

I got no answer to my question (it's late in Germany), but it has apparently been that way since at least OOTP12.

That's the oldest version I still have on my computer and I tested it there.....

So, I guess I was just an idiot......

[Questdog]

Originally Posted by sprague

The small problem is the ai will after choosing it's starting 9 will set the order based on actual ratings though the game stats go by potential. So often the real big hitter may bat 8 or 9 based on how the ai sets its lineup

That was definitely the case in OOTP12, but does not appear to be in OOTP16.

My test player with all 1's for actual ratings and 250's for potential is batting 3rd.

And the player with 250's for actuals and 1's for potential is batting 8th.

[ondemonitors]

This is all great stuff considering I have never done a universe with feeder leagues, although I have done the stats only thing.

One quick question that you feeder league experts may be able to answer for me...I read somewhere that feeder league players are more realistic when it comes to the number of positions they play...or maybe the fielder ratings aren't as crazy...you don't see as many Ben Zobrist types when you use feeders. Is this true??

thanks in advance

[Orcin]

The only interest this thread has for me is to question the whereabouts of The Wolf. He hasn't posted in a couple of weeks. I hope he is just on summer vacation.

[Questdog]

Originally Posted by Orcin

The only interest this thread has for me is to question the whereabouts of The Wolf. He hasn't posted in a couple of weeks. I hope he is just on summer vacation.

Yeah, me too.....