Detroit Tigers 2015 Season Thread - Page 15

CONN CHRIS · 07-20-2015, 10:17 AM

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Maybe if they truly empty the cupboard - Ryan, Farmer, Lobster? Probably not, but that's the only upgrade that would matter I think and even then ...

An ugly future may be upon us.

They could always toss Greene in as well, what the heck.

David Watts · 07-20-2015, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

Maybe if they truly empty the cupboard - Ryan, Farmer, Lobster? Probably not, but that's the only upgrade that would matter I think and even then ...

An ugly future may be upon us.

Ryan, Lobster and Farmer...Are the Reds in dire need of long reliever/mopup guys? I guessing Moya and Collins would have to be included. Of course, that leaves the cupboard bare when it comes to replacing Cespedes. Plus, you have to be in the lead for a closer to be useful. Right now, we only have 2 reliable starters.....which is frightening, as Sanchez is always an injury waiting to happen. UGH!

David Watts · 07-20-2015, 12:57 PM

If the Tigers sell, offering Price, Cespedes and maybe Kinsler etc. What positions do you think they should target?

TribeFanInNC · 07-20-2015, 01:07 PM

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If the Tigers sell, offering Price, Cespedes and maybe Kinsler etc. What positions do you think they should target?

I dunno, infield. Maybe outfield. Oh, and pitching. Definitely pitching.

BTW, I still don't think they will sell. Does really being a handful of games behind Houston and Minnesota really mean you are dead in the water? No way. Those teams could fold up their tent any day, Houston already is starting to. I can barely name a Minnesota starting pitcher.

The Indians still think they are in it and all they could manage yesterday was four bases loaded walks.

cephasjames · 07-20-2015, 02:11 PM

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I dunno, infield. Maybe outfield. Oh, and pitching. Definitely pitching.

BTW, I still don't think they will sell. Does really being a handful of games behind Houston and Minnesota really mean you are dead in the water? No way. Those teams could fold up their tent any day, Houston already is starting to. I can barely name a Minnesota starting pitcher.

The Indians still think they are in it and all they could manage yesterday was four bases loaded walks.

I think it's less about teams above Detroit folding and more about Detroit just not having it in them to succeed. On paper, they have the talent. But on the field they just can't put it all together. This whole year (maybe minus the first 10 games) has been about "They have the potential to be..." but they've just never really done anything with it.

TribeFanInNC · 07-20-2015, 03:25 PM

Dave Cameron from Fangraphs.com validates the untradeableness of Verlander, calling him and his contract the third least trade value:
2015 Trade Value: The Bottom Five | FanGraphs Baseball

Well, at least you aren't the Rangers...

CONN CHRIS · 07-21-2015, 09:30 AM

I guess that it's time.

Moving Cespades, Kinsler and Price should re-stock the system and maybe even get Verlander dumped on someone.

Ugh. I'll watch 1984 on Youtube from here on out I suppose.

David Watts · 07-21-2015, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

I guess that it's time.

Moving Cespades, Kinsler and Price should re-stock the system and maybe even get Verlander dumped on someone.

Ugh. I'll watch 1984 on Youtube from here on out I suppose.

Really makes one appreciate just how hard it is to win it all.

CONN CHRIS · 07-21-2015, 10:49 AM

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Really makes one appreciate just how hard it is to win it all.

It takes so long to build and it all can come unglued seemingly overnight.

David Watts · 07-21-2015, 11:03 AM

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It takes so long to build and it all can come unglued seemingly overnight.

Yes. Always needing that one extra piece to complete the puzzle can really hurt a franchise. Unless every guy you draft lives up to or exceeds his potential, the prospect pool eventually runs dry. The Tigers remind me so much of the Biggio/Bagwell Astros.

Another thing I appreciate a lot more these days....Teams like the Cardinals and the Giants. So many homegrown players.

TribeFanInNC · 07-21-2015, 01:31 PM

Fangraphs on why the Tigers should NOT be sellers. I think this visually represents the point I made yesterday. They have as much chance as anyone left to sneak into the playoffs.

Why the Tigers Shouldnt Sell, in One Graph | FanGraphs Baseball

CONN CHRIS · 07-21-2015, 01:44 PM

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Fangraphs on why the Tigers should NOT be sellers. I think this visually represents the point I made yesterday. They have as much chance as anyone left to sneak into the playoffs.

Why the Tigers Shouldnt Sell, in One Graph | FanGraphs Baseball

That's interesting but I wouldn't want to chase a 25% shot at the playoffs this year for assured destruction next year. We might well end up with no playoffs this year (or a one-and-done WC game), be bottom tier next year and have precious little talent in the pipeline for years beyond that.

cephasjames · 07-21-2015, 02:15 PM

These pretty much sum it up to me:
Tigers face new reality: They're ready to sell at trade deadline

Analysis: Detroit Tigers appear bound to sell no matter what happens on field in next 10 days | MLive.com

Report: Detroit Tigers expected to be sellers around non-waiver trade deadline | MLive.com

Ian Kinsler: It's players' fault if Detroit Tigers sell at deadline | MLive.com

Airdrop01 · 07-21-2015, 08:12 PM

Royals just optioned Yordono to AAA to get himself sorted. I don't think KC would do this but I would personally...

Just curious what you think. Would DD go for a straight Ventura for Price deal?

I bet he'd be all over it. I don't think KC would given the relatively low cost of Vemtura with certainty for foreseeable future but if they did that deal...wow on both ends...

Airdrop01 · 07-21-2015, 08:18 PM

Oh, and before you give up hope: One year ago today, the Royals were 48-50, 8 GB, 4.5 back of a Wild Card spot, and we were speculating what they could get for James Shields

CONN CHRIS · 07-21-2015, 10:23 PM

I don't know why I decided to subject myself to this again tonight. This bullpen is something up with which, I shall not put.

I can't watch another one for a while. Good grief.

David Watts · 07-22-2015, 08:28 AM

That one hurts. They overcame Shane Greene and were in the lead! I didn't even know Franklin Guttierez was back in the league. Dudes been on the dl for like 7 years.

TribeFanInNC · 07-22-2015, 10:06 AM

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I don't know why I decided to subject myself to this again tonight. This bullpen is something up with which, I shall not put.

I can't watch another one for a while. Good grief.

Yeah, it's hard to watch the same problems over and over. I get this way about the Indians offense too. Once they are down like 3-0 it feels over. When they get in extended spells, I definitely stop watching for a couple weeks because it makes me miserable.

cephasjames · 07-22-2015, 11:45 AM

Wojo: Tigers picture clearing up, and it isn't pretty

David Watts · 07-22-2015, 11:52 AM

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Wojo: Tigers picture clearing up, and it isn't pretty

Maybe it's time to see what this team can do when they aren't the best team on paper.

07-21-2015, 09:30 AM	#287
CONN CHRIS Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 29,107	I guess that it's time. Moving Cespades, Kinsler and Price should re-stock the system and maybe even get Verlander dumped on someone. Ugh. I'll watch 1984 on Youtube from here on out I suppose. __________________ Check Out My Cards!

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cephasjames Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 8,736	These pretty much sum it up to me: Tigers face new reality: They're ready to sell at trade deadline Analysis: Detroit Tigers appear bound to sell no matter what happens on field in next 10 days \| MLive.com Report: Detroit Tigers expected to be sellers around non-waiver trade deadline \| MLive.com Ian Kinsler: It's players' fault if Detroit Tigers sell at deadline \| MLive.com __________________ 5000+ Generic Logos Free for the Taking FREE: Uniforms and logos for 500+ teams spanning 1871-present Great Lakes League: 10 Conferences, 100 Teams Pre-OOTP 23 Custom Cap & Jersey Template v3.0 by Deft and NoPepper (with layers from other various artists) that I use: Caps, Jerseys

07-21-2015, 10:23 PM	#296
CONN CHRIS Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 29,107	I don't know why I decided to subject myself to this again tonight. This bullpen is something up with which, I shall not put. I can't watch another one for a while. Good grief. __________________ Check Out My Cards!

07-22-2015, 11:45 AM	#299
cephasjames Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 8,736	Wojo: Tigers picture clearing up, and it isn't pretty __________________ 5000+ Generic Logos Free for the Taking FREE: Uniforms and logos for 500+ teams spanning 1871-present Great Lakes League: 10 Conferences, 100 Teams Pre-OOTP 23 Custom Cap & Jersey Template v3.0 by Deft and NoPepper (with layers from other various artists) that I use: Caps, Jerseys

07-20-2015, 12:57 PM	#283
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 10,162 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	If the Tigers sell, offering Price, Cespedes and maybe Kinsler etc. What positions do you think they should target?

07-20-2015, 03:25 PM	#286
TribeFanInNC Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,019	Dave Cameron from Fangraphs.com validates the untradeableness of Verlander, calling him and his contract the third least trade value: 2015 Trade Value: The Bottom Five \| FanGraphs Baseball Well, at least you aren't the Rangers...

07-21-2015, 01:31 PM	#291
TribeFanInNC Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,019	Fangraphs on why the Tigers should NOT be sellers. I think this visually represents the point I made yesterday. They have as much chance as anyone left to sneak into the playoffs. Why the Tigers Shouldnt Sell, in One Graph \| FanGraphs Baseball

07-21-2015, 08:12 PM	#294
Airdrop01 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2009 Location: Lenexa, KS / Wilson, WY Posts: 1,354	Royals just optioned Yordono to AAA to get himself sorted. I don't think KC would do this but I would personally... Just curious what you think. Would DD go for a straight Ventura for Price deal? I bet he'd be all over it. I don't think KC would given the relatively low cost of Vemtura with certainty for foreseeable future but if they did that deal...wow on both ends...

07-21-2015, 08:18 PM	#295
Airdrop01 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2009 Location: Lenexa, KS / Wilson, WY Posts: 1,354	Oh, and before you give up hope: One year ago today, the Royals were 48-50, 8 GB, 4.5 back of a Wild Card spot, and we were speculating what they could get for James Shields

07-22-2015, 08:28 AM	#297
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 10,162 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	That one hurts. They overcame Shane Greene and were in the lead! I didn't even know Franklin Guttierez was back in the league. Dudes been on the dl for like 7 years.