Making base running decisions

[rpriske]

Ah, yes. Turn off ball flight! It adds nothing to the game!

[Painmantle]

I have the exact same issue when playing out my games. And there is no reason I should have to let the AI handle something just because the game has an area of poor cosmetic design. The Box should be able to be relocated but it isn't. I usually just send the guy. But suffice to say not everyone remembers the running rating and arms of every player in every game they play.


This is an issue that should be remedied in 15, if it isn't already on the list of things to fix, it should be put there.

[Painmantle]

Originally Posted by Painmantle

I have the exact same issue when playing out my games. And there is no reason I should have to let the AI handle something just because the game has an area of poor cosmetic design. The Box should be able to be relocated but it isn't. I usually just send the guy. But suffice to say not everyone remembers the running rating and arms of every player in every game they play.


This is an issue that should be remedied in 15, if it isn't already on the list of things to fix, it should be put there.

I would also like to note: I do not have ball flight turned ON, so that isn't the solution

[Charlie Hough]

Originally Posted by David Watts

I may be wrong, but I think the way the players are showing up in his screenshot is the result of using ball flight. I bet if he turned that off, he would have the pictures and the player ratings on screen.

Absolutely false. I don't know how he's getting the screen that he is because it doesn't seem to match the default view or webcast. But it has absolutely nothing to do with ball flight, which works extremely well and works fine whether you're viewing the default broadcast or the webcast. And the player images are still there with ball flight and the broadcast.

But the dialog box will block information if the players are on the screen anyway, so Painmantle is correct. This should be fixed, period. A user should not have to memorize or print out player ratings to be able to manage a game. You have to keep playability and ease of use in mind.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Charlie Hough

Absolutely false. I don't know how he's getting the screen that he is because it doesn't seem to match the default view or webcast. But it has absolutely nothing to do with ball flight, which works extremely well and works fine whether you're viewing the default broadcast or the webcast. And the player images are still there with ball flight and the broadcast.

But the dialog box will block information if the players are on the screen anyway, so Painmantle is correct. This should be fixed, period. A user should not have to memorize or print out player ratings to be able to manage a game. You have to keep playability and ease of use in mind.

You are darn right. Last year the Tigers lost six games due to Leyland failing to get the sign to the base coach in time to send the runner home. He was too busy looking up the fielders arm strength on a chart.......

I think it's a silly feature altogether. But, why is it so hard to know if your own player is fast? And a real manager(or I should say base coach) would have to know going into a game what types of arms he's facing in the outfield.

I really thought that the screenshot he displayed was the result of ball flight being on. I would love to have the field dimensions shown on the fence like that, but have never knew how to do so.

[Pirates]

Originally Posted by Charlie Hough

Absolutely false. I don't know how he's getting the screen that he is because it doesn't seem to match the default view or webcast. But it has absolutely nothing to do with ball flight, which works extremely well and works fine whether you're viewing the default broadcast or the webcast. And the player images are still there with ball flight and the broadcast.

But the dialog box will block information if the players are on the screen anyway, so Painmantle is correct. This should be fixed, period. A user should not have to memorize or print out player ratings to be able to manage a game. You have to keep playability and ease of use in mind.

I'm using the Mac version of the game if this is any help.
Screen shown in picture, is the default screen.
Yes, I'm using player's pictures.

[Bobble]

Originally Posted by David Watts

I think it's a silly feature altogether. But, why is it so hard to know if your own player is fast? And a real manager(or I should say base coach) would have to know going into a game what types of arms he's facing in the outfield.

Why do we have to play the way you play? Maybe I'm playing out every game for every team in my league. Maybe this is the first game of my league. Maybe I play one game of the series and sim the rest. Why can't the information we want be displayed to us rather than memorized?

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Bobble

Why do we have to play the way you play? Maybe I'm playing out every game for every team in my league. Maybe this is the first game of my league. Maybe I play one game of the series and sim the rest. Why can't the information we want be displayed to us rather than memorized?

Never once did I say anyone had to play the way I do. I voiced an opinion. Last I checked, I don't make the game, so my opinion means very little. I also know that OOTP isn't the only game that has this feature. In fact, I would bet that the majority of the games on the market have it. The great thing with this game is the fact that I can turn the feature off very easily. I've played others that you can't.

[Bigrod]

Originally Posted by David Watts

I would love to have the field dimensions shown on the fence like that, but have never knew how to do so.

Field dimensions are easy ....set them on the edit ballparks/ball locations screen. The ones that start with W

[RchW]

Originally Posted by Pirates

I'm using the Mac version of the game if this is any help.
Screen shown in picture, is the default screen.
Yes, I'm using player's pictures.

I don't know how the Mac version works. I didn't realize it was different. The question in my mind is why no player pictures on the field? I've grown to like that feature as much as the speed and steal ratings that go with them.

[BIG17EASY]

Originally Posted by RchW

I don't know how the Mac version works. I didn't realize it was different. The question in my mind is why no player pictures on the field? I've grown to like that feature as much as the speed and steal ratings that go with them.

I have a Mac and have not seen this issue. Admittedly, I rarely play out games, but I'll test it in the morning to make sure that's not the case for me.

I turn off the player pictures because on some of the ballpark photos I have, space is a bit cramped, particularly at home plate and middle infield when a runner is on second. But it has always shown player name and ratings.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Charlie Hough

Absolutely false. I don't know how he's getting the screen that he is because it doesn't seem to match the default view or webcast. But it has absolutely nothing to do with ball flight, which works extremely well and works fine whether you're viewing the default broadcast or the webcast. And the player images are still there with ball flight and the broadcast.

But the dialog box will block information if the players are on the screen anyway, so Painmantle is correct. This should be fixed, period. A user should not have to memorize or print out player ratings to be able to manage a game. You have to keep playability and ease of use in mind.

First thing you need to do is go to post 33 in this thread and look at the screenshot posted by the OP. As you can see, all the pic shows is each players name. No player picture, no fielding ratings, no base running ratings. That is a screenshot of a game played with ball flight on.

What happens with ball flight is on is, you see the players info/pictures displayed on the field until you hit play. When you select your play option and the play by play is displayed the player dialogue boxes/pictures disappear and you see exactly what the OP posted in his screenshot(post 33).

So in the case of the OP, even if he could move the dialog box, he would not be able to see the players speed ratings or outfielders arm rating. They aren't there until he is ready to begin play again.

[Painmantle]

Since I haven't played out a game in a while ,I have done a little research on this. My comments earlier about having the same issue were based on the question box being in the way of seeing ratings.


The players on field ratings box disappears when the using the ball animation and the ball is put in play. This is when you see a transparent box with only the players name, when ball animation is used and the ball is actually put in play,The ratings Boxes are there until then.


But this issue of ratings being covered by the question box remains, all this really means is we have two different issues here


a) The question Box covers up ratings when it appears without ball animation on
b) When ball animation is used all the players on the field has their rating info disappear when the ball is put in play




Both issues should be remedied imho

[Charlie Hough]

Originally Posted by David Watts

First thing you need to do is go to post 33 in this thread and look at the screenshot posted by the OP. As you can see, all the pic shows is each players name. No player picture, no fielding ratings, no base running ratings. That is a screenshot of a game played with ball flight on.

Then he's using the Mac webcast. That screen shows only player names but also provides ball flight with the wall dimensions. The screen trades player pics and field ratings in exchange for the graphical pitch locations, ballpark diagrams, and some other options.

I've grown to prefer the webcast for the field diagrams, but it's annoying as hell that you lose some things like the batter's pull or spray tendencies from the screen. I adjust the infield for every pull hitter, so not having that information is a pain.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Charlie Hough

Then he's using the Mac webcast. That screen shows only player names but also provides ball flight with the wall dimensions. The screen trades player pics and field ratings in exchange for the graphical pitch locations, ballpark diagrams, and some other options.

I've grown to prefer the webcast for the field diagrams, but it's annoying as hell that you lose some things like the batter's pull or spray tendencies from the screen. I adjust the infield for every pull hitter, so not having that information is a pain.

I think he did say he is using a Mac. I'm using a PC. If I turn ball flight on, I end up with the very same screen he displayed in his screenshot. In no way is his screenshot from the webcast view. That is a Broadcast screenshot(post#33 in this thread).

[BIG17EASY]

Originally Posted by charlie hough

then he's using the mac webcast. That screen shows only player names but also provides ball flight with the wall dimensions. The screen trades player pics and field ratings in exchange for the graphical pitch locations, ballpark diagrams, and some other options.

I've grown to prefer the webcast for the field diagrams, but it's annoying as hell that you lose some things like the batter's pull or spray tendencies from the screen. I adjust the infield for every pull hitter, so not having that information is a pain.

double post

[BIG17EASY]

Originally Posted by Charlie Hough

Then he's using the Mac webcast. That screen shows only player names but also provides ball flight with the wall dimensions. The screen trades player pics and field ratings in exchange for the graphical pitch locations, ballpark diagrams, and some other options.

I've grown to prefer the webcast for the field diagrams, but it's annoying as hell that you lose some things like the batter's pull or spray tendencies from the screen. I adjust the infield for every pull hitter, so not having that information is a pain.

The webcast doesn't show field pics, does it? Unless it's customizable and I didn't realize it, I thought it only showed diagrams. His screenshot clearly shows the default field pic.

[Charlie Hough]

I didn't look at the pic.The above post said there were no player pics. I guess we've established that the Mac screens are completely different, so it doesn't matter. But the only way you don't see player pics with the default screens on a PC is if you're using the webcast.

Making the screens different between platforms seems like a bad idea. It sure as hell doesn't help anyone make sense of what's going on for Mac users.

Anyway, basic game design principles call for delivering necessary information so users can make decisions promptly and conveniently. To ignore this is to ignore an opportunity to make your product more intuitive and user friendly.

[BIG17EASY]

Originally Posted by Charlie Hough

I didn't look at the pic.The above post said there were no player pics. I guess we've established that the Mac screens are completely different, so it doesn't matter. But the only way you don't see player pics with the default screens on a PC is if you're using the webcast.

Making the screens different between platforms seems like a bad idea. It sure as hell doesn't help anyone make sense of what's going on for Mac users.

Anyway, basic game design principles call for delivering necessary information so users can make decisions promptly and conveniently. To ignore this is to ignore an opportunity to make your product more intuitive and user friendly.

The screens are not different between platforms. I have played on both a PC and (currently) a Mac. There is an option to turn off player pictures for the the BNN broadcast screen, which the OP is apparently using. Nobody has been able to verify if that's what's causing the problem.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by BIG17EASY

The screens are not different between platforms. I have played on both a PC and (currently) a Mac. There is an option to turn off player pictures for the the BNN broadcast screen, which the OP is apparently using. Nobody has been able to verify if that's what's causing the problem.

You're correct it has nothing to do with platforms. I can make my screen look exactly like the OP's screenshot. All I have to do is turn on ballflight. Again, the player pictures/ratings will be present when I do so. The minute I make my play selection and the play by play is displayed those player picture/ratings disappear and you get a screen just like the one the OP displayed in his screenshot. The minute I hit enter again, the player pics and ratings reappear. Wash and repeat

If none of you believe me, just play out a game with ballflight on. You will immediately see what I'm talking about.