Professional football player: "Nyah, nyah, we're better than you are!"

[AnotherAlias]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

Falcons had no business winning that game. You cannot let a team get into FG range with 2 pass plays from their own 25 yard line with around 30 seconds left. You just cannot do that.

Prevent defense has its downside.

[Déjà Bru]

I swear, this guy is a complete moron. Please don't give me the line about "Oh, he's just super-competitive." He is an egotistical clown who doesn't know how to behave like a man. He gives me a reason for rooting for Denver in the Super Bowl, though.

Could postgame rant by Seahawks' Richard Sherman become Super distraction?

[John Madden]

Counter-point: Richard Sherman explains the Crabtree incident and postgame interview | The MMQB with Peter King

[Déjà Bru]

Are you / is he kidding me?

I ran over to Crabtree to shake his hand but he ignored me. I patted him, stuck out my hand and said, “Good game, good game.” That’s when he shoved my face, and that’s when I went off.

I threw a choking sign at 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick. Why? Because he decided he was going to try the guy he was avoiding all game, because, I don’t know, he’s probably not paying attention for the game-winning play. C’mon, you’re better than that.

Given his previous track record (such as, the beginning of this thread), do you / does he really want me to think he was being SPORTSMANLIKE to Crabtree? Or is it much more likely that his gestures were intended to be mocking?

And his reason for throwing the choke sign at Kaepernick: "Because he decided he was going to try the guy he was avoiding all game, because, I don’t know, he’s probably not paying attention for the game-winning play. C’mon, you’re better than that." That sounds like justification, all right. I repeat, what an egotistical moron.

I'm rooting like heck for Denver. I'm not going to talk about "If there's any justice in the world, etc." because there isn't any. Seattle has a good chance to win the Super Bowl, in part because of Sherman's excellent play, and there's nothing fair or unfair about that because fairness is strictly a human concept and a foolish one at that.

But if Seattle and Sherman lose, I will be celebrating for sure.

[jazzrack]

49ers are a bunch of whining punks, and I must live in their "home" area.

49ers Blog and Q&A: Report: Crabtree tried to fight Sherman at offseason charity event

[rpriske]

When I heard there was some 'scandal' I went to check it out.

My reaction was "that's it"?

Someone all worked up from a big game continues to be worked up after his wins? That's news?


This is the same ridiculousness that claims that celebrating after a home run or a big strikeout it somehow offensive.

Stupid.

[jazzrack]

oh and Denver will win by a mile, they are just that much better

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by jazzrack

49ers are a bunch of whining punks, and I must live in their "home" area.

49ers Blog and Q&A: Report: Crabtree tried to fight Sherman at offseason charity event

Heck, I feel like fighting Sherman myself (if I had a death wish, that is).

So his gestures toward Crabtree were genuine, yes? Right.

And don't forget his choking sign was directed at Kaepernick in the moment of his defeat. No class whatsoever.

The article that I posted says Sherman is going to be roasted and toasted by the media in the runup to the Super Bowl. It should be interesting to see if he can maintain his cool.

Anyway, I'm done fielding any sort of apologia for Richard Sherman.

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by rpriske

When I heard there was some 'scandal' I went to check it out.

My reaction was "that's it"?

Someone all worked up from a big game continues to be worked up after his wins? That's news?


This is the same ridiculousness that claims that celebrating after a home run or a big strikeout it somehow offensive.

Stupid.

Ooops, I thought I was done. I am rather worked up about this, yes. Am I stupid in your eyes?

EDIT: I'll let that stand but I will soften it a bit. Look, it's called sportsmanship, or the lack of it. It used to be that good sportsmanship had a beneficial effect on society at large. I am enough of a traditionalist to still get offended when I see the idea completely disregarded and its dismissal even admired by some folks.

All right, now I really am done.

[John Madden]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

Heck, I feel like fighting Sherman myself (if I had a death wish, that is).

So his gestures toward Crabtree were genuine, yes? Right.

And don't forget his choking sign was directed at Kaepernick in the moment of his defeat. No class whatsoever.

The article that I posted says Sherman is going to be roasted and toasted by the media in the runup to the Super Bowl. It should be interesting to see if he can maintain his cool.

Anyway, I'm done fielding any sort of apologia for Richard Sherman.

Do I think Sherman is classy? No.

Do I think Crabtree is as big, if not a bigger douche canoe than Sherman? It appears that is the case.

Do I take offense to anything either of them do? Until they are electrocuting dogs or having spouses murdered, not really. You mention that the media is going to "roast" him; you don't happen to think that maybe there is a bit of a conflict of interest in the media making their own news?

[John Madden]

Originally Posted by John Madden

Do I think Sherman is classy? No.

Do I think Crabtree is as big, if not a bigger douche canoe than Sherman? It appears that is the case.

Do I take offense to anything either of them do? Until they are electrocuting dogs or having spouses murdered, not really. You mention that the media is going to "roast" him; you don't happen to think that maybe there is a bit of a conflict of interest in the media making their own news?

For that matter, why are we expecting "class" from a brutal gladiator sport.


"TAKE HIS HEAD OFF! But you'd better keep your mouth shut afterwards. Gotta stay classy, ya know?!"

[jazzrack]

of all the less than classy things that go on, on a football field, players giving each-other the choke sign doen't seem to make the list.

after I had to listen to the 49ers and their fans whine for a week about the volume level in seattle being "unfair" earlier this season, I no longer listen, I just hand them some cheese.

and as a cowboys fan, if I saw tony romo walking down the street i'd throw him a choke sign myself.

[MarkInCincy]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

Forget the sportsmanship angle. Any old fool talking about sportsmanship these days in a forum like this is going to be a lonely old fool.

But, why would a guy make it harder on his team and himself by acting in this manner?
Well, I'd say Sherman and his buddy just made it a hell of a lot harder for the Seattle Seahawks the next time they play the New England Patriots. Talk about motivation!

And even just on a personal level. Brady is going to be all over this guy the next time they meet. He may not drill him like he wants to, but he is sure as hell going to try his damnedest. Also, if I'm Brady's 6-foot 7-inch 300lb tackle, I'm stomping on Sherman's head if I get a chance.

But this is all about Richard Sherman, not his team, and as I tell my friends when we wonder over NFL matters such as this one, most of these guys are not exactly rocket scientists.

Richard Sherman gloats after Seattle Seahawks top 'gimmick' New England Patriots - ESPN Boston

Just proves you can take the boy out of the 'hood but not the 'hood out of the boy, aka The Aaron Hernandez/Ray Lewis rule.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

Heck, I feel like fighting Sherman myself (if I had a death wish, that is).

So his gestures toward Crabtree were genuine, yes? Right.

And don't forget his choking sign was directed at Kaepernick in the moment of his defeat. No class whatsoever.

The article that I posted says Sherman is going to be roasted and toasted by the media in the runup to the Super Bowl. It should be interesting to see if he can maintain his cool.

Anyway, I'm done fielding any sort of apologia for Richard Sherman.

Stop for just one moment. These guys were battling out there in one of the most physical games of the year. It's like a war. Then the game ends the way it does and you stick a mic in front of Sherman. What do you expect? Ok, it wasn't exactly classy, but the guy was still pumped up. He and his LOB are amazing players. The league is better for it.

I think Seattle will beat Denver. Their D is on another level and Denver doesn't have someone like Kaepernick running all over the place. Don't expect to see Manning with all kinds of time like he had against the Patriots. He'll have no place to run, and when Peyton is under pressure he has a history of choking. I am taking Seattle because history shows a good D usually trumps a good O. So we'll see.

[MorseMoose]

Originally Posted by MarkInCincy

Just proves you can take the boy out of the 'hood but not the 'hood out of the boy, aka The Aaron Hernandez/Ray Lewis rule.

This is talk sports, take that to the Off Topic if you're gonna be like that.

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by John Madden

For that matter, why are we expecting "class" from a brutal gladiator sport.


"TAKE HIS HEAD OFF! But you'd better keep your mouth shut afterwards. Gotta stay classy, ya know?!"

John Madden, I respect you, but this metaphor is the problem in a nutshell. Since when did professional football, or even any sport (well, I'm not sure about mixed martial arts but that's relatively new) turn into a "brutal gladiator sport"?

Same with you, Ragnar. Why is this a "war"? Why cannot the game be just an athletic contest, albeit with a lot at stake?

Look, I know I sound naive. This kind of thinking started going out the window with Vincent Lombardi. It's not right, though. The more folks believe it to be war, the worse it's going to get and it's helping to take the rest of society down with it.

What, you think Frank Gifford and Dick Butkus weren't tough? Yet, you never saw them conduct themselves as if they were "gladiators" (or ill-mannered prima donnas, which is more like it). I don't even remember Deion Sanders doing such things.

Yet now, you guys think it's normal and accept such behavior as a part of "war." I cannot believe that in justifying stupid, callous, self-aggrandizing behavior we turn a sport into "war." It's sad, really.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

John Madden, I respect you, but this metaphor is the problem in a nutshell. Since when did professional football, or even any sport (well, I'm not sure about mixed martial arts but that's relatively new) turn into a "brutal gladiator sport"?

Same with you, Ragnar. Why is this a "war"? Why cannot the game be just an athletic contest, albeit with a lot at stake?

Look, I know I sound naive. This kind of thinking started going out the window with Vincent Lombardi. It's not right, though. The more folks believe it to be war, the worse it's going to get and it's helping to take the rest of society down with it.

What, you think Frank Gifford and Dick Butkus weren't tough? Yet, you never saw them conduct themselves as if they were "gladiators" (or ill-mannered prima donnas, which is more like it). I don't even remember Deion Sanders doing such things.

Yet now, you guys think it's normal and accept such behavior as a part of "war." I cannot believe that in justifying stupid, callous, self-aggrandizing behavior we turn a sport into "war." It's sad, really.

They didn't seem to act that way because it took more than 30 minutes after the players were showered and dressed for the media to even get access. AFAIK Butkus was the king of trash talk and backing it up with action, of his day. Any player I've seen interviewed always says he was the dirtiest sob they played against.

Comparisons are futile. There is no way to know how people would have acted if put under the microscope like today.

[David Watts]

After yesterday, if I never hear the word thug again, it will be too soon. Ugh!

[Jason]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

What, you think Frank Gifford and Dick Butkus weren't tough? Yet, you never saw them conduct themselves as if they were "gladiators" (or ill-mannered prima donnas, which is more like it).

Ill-mannered prima donnas is probably the best way to mention it.

The problem is their attitudes and actions are reflecting society rather than driving it. In the time Gifford and Butkus were playing, society as a whole didn't need to run around taunting and blowing their own horns to show they were tough. They went on the field, did their job and let the play do the talking for the most part. (There were always exceptions, i.e. Joe Namath) but for the most part you're right in attitudes.

I think Sherman's an ass. If he gets burned in the Super Bowl, I'm curious to see whether he turns tail and runs from the press or mans up and takes his lumps. If it's the latter, I'll willingly admit I'm seeing him wrong.

[knightdreamer2k]

Originally Posted by Jason

Ill-mannered prima donnas is probably the best way to mention it.

The problem is their attitudes and actions are reflecting society rather than driving it. In the time Gifford and Butkus were playing, society as a whole didn't need to run around taunting and blowing their own horns to show they were tough. They went on the field, did their job and let the play do the talking for the most part. (There were always exceptions, i.e. Joe Namath) but for the most part you're right in attitudes.

I think Sherman's an ass. If he gets burned in the Super Bowl, I'm curious to see whether he turns tail and runs from the press or mans up and takes his lumps. If it's the latter, I'll willingly admit I'm seeing him wrong.

To be fair we have no idea what players of yesterday would be like in today's climate because back then you didn't have all the exposure that you have now.
I do think modern entertainers (movies, sports, music) are so out of touch with reality that it is almost inevitable they are going to turn out they was most of them are. The minute someone has talent from elementry on, teachers, peers and parents are praising these kids. They have been told they are the greatest thing on earth are such a young age that they would not hanlde controversy well.

Sorry got on alittle rant there..