Impact of Height and Weight

Padreman · 07-18-2013, 02:55 PM

Does height an weight have any impact on a
Player? I found this old post from several years ago nothing recent that say otherwise. Any ways if have a pitcher that is 7'2 with middle of the pack talents will he actually be better because of his height? Will a player that is heavier be automatically slower? Get have more power?

torpidbeaver · 07-18-2013, 02:59 PM

I'd love to hear more about this, also. I read in an older forum post that taller pitchers are more likely to succeed, so I've been more or less blindly picking taller pitching prospects towards the end of the draft. No idea if this actually pans out or not.

RchW · 07-18-2013, 03:04 PM

Markus has cited data that pitchers under 5'11" (I think) are less likely to succeed. That is in the game.

Previously there were references to BMI as having some influence.

That's all I have.

The Game · 07-18-2013, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

Markus has cited data that pitchers under 5'11" (I think) are less likely to succeed. That is in the game.

Previously there were references to BMI as having some influence.

That's all I have.

Does this include player created pitchers if you do not touch their potential and overall in the editor? I have several players coming in next year that are all under 5'9 the shortest being a 4'10 1B. Now I do edit his stats so hitting he will be fine, defense I usually leave alone after I 1st set it up and I want him to be a poor defensive 1B. A SP on that team is 5'6 and has the best Screwball of all time. Also in a previous game (TLR3) he had a 0.96 ERA in 313 IP with 375K.
I have been looking at top draftees and their height to determine how much of a factor height is in OOTP. I know Markus? said that 1B would be affected by height in 14. That a Tony Clark type player would be a better 1B then say a Dustin Pedoria type player.

Padreman · 07-18-2013, 04:09 PM

Ok so far it looks like height and weight does have impact but there is still not hard evidence. Where did Markus say this things?

Curve Ball Dave · 07-18-2013, 05:53 PM

I'd love to see that 7'2" pitcher manage to get the ball down into the strike zone. He'd also have a helluva time fielding bunts.

ihatenames · 07-18-2013, 06:08 PM

Here is one quote with Markus talking about Height:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

- Shorter pitchers (< 5"11') generally get generated with lower stamina (of course there are exceptions though) and have a worse chance to develop more stamina in the future.

Full post here:

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ml#post3275284

gabeeg · 07-18-2013, 06:24 PM

"Previously there were references to BMI as having some influence."

...Note to self....put Pablo Sandoval on a diet ASAP.

injury log · 07-18-2013, 07:19 PM

Height and weight are correlated with certain skills in the game, when players are created, so players should "look right" - power hitters are heavier than speedsters, for example. And weight changes accompany skill changes - increases in weight accompany declines in defensive ability, for example. But besides the impact of height on pitcher stamina, I'm not sure there are other direct influences on the game. That is, if you create a new player, and make him 9 feet tall, he'll play the same as a 4 foot tall guy with the same ratings.

edit - oh, there's one other exception for sure. In OOTP14, as part of the new defensive model, player height has a direct impact on a player's ability to field at 1B.

mpejkrm · 07-18-2013, 08:00 PM

Height and weight do matter, more so height in a pitcher. A lot of scouts look for taller pitchers because they have lower fly ball tendencies and thus give up less home runs. Markus directly related height to stamina as well. For example, Royals prospect Yordano Ventura is an electric arm but a lot of scouts are wary if he can end up starting because he's not even 6 feet tall, and gives up his fair share of home runs.

Weight affects speed, obviously. Doesn't take an OOTP addict to figure that one out.

pumph · 07-18-2013, 11:03 PM

I plan on employing 9-foot tall 2B/SS combination to have them snare those line drives into the gaps.

The Game · 07-19-2013, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Curve Ball Dave

I'd love to see that 7'2" pitcher manage to get the ball down into the strike zone. He'd also have a helluva time fielding bunts.

Later on in my league I will have Kuala Lumpar a 7'5 Wookie. While he is mostly a MR and CL he will suck on defense.

The Game · 07-19-2013, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by pumph

I plan on employing 9-foot tall 2B/SS combination to have them snare those line drives into the gaps.

Argentina and Chile are the 2B & SS for the 2041 Chewbacca Bowcasters but they are only 6'10 & 7'0.

Padreman · 07-21-2013, 01:52 PM

Ok so one league with two sub-leagues on in Canada and one in Australia will travel have impact on the players since that's a pretty long flight lets say from Toronto to Sidney?

The Game · 07-21-2013, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Padreman

Ok so one league to sub-leagues on in Canada and one in Australia will travel have impact on the players since that's a pretty long flight lets say from Toronto to Sidney?

IRL of course in OOTP I haven't seen it and i have teams/leagues in multiple Galaxies/Universes.

Padreman · 07-21-2013, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by The Game

IRL of course in OOTP I haven't seen it and i have teams/leagues in multiple Galaxies/Universes.

Would love to see your league teams

Left-handed Badger · 07-22-2013, 03:59 AM

I had a 6'9 1B one time that despite having a very high Eye rating never seemed to draw too many walks.

The Game · 07-22-2013, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Padreman

Would love to see your league teams

I'll make a quickstart to start the 2009 season, I also PMed ya.

07-18-2013, 02:55 PM	#1
Padreman Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2013 Location: Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico (formally San Diego, CA.) Posts: 4,131	Impact of Height and Weight and Travel Does height an weight have any impact on a Player? I found this old post from several years ago nothing recent that say otherwise. Any ways if have a pitcher that is 7'2 with middle of the pack talents will he actually be better because of his height? Will a player that is heavier be automatically slower? Get have more power? Last edited by Padreman; 07-21-2013 at 01:50 PM.

07-18-2013, 03:04 PM	#3
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	Markus has cited data that pitchers under 5'11" (I think) are less likely to succeed. That is in the game. Previously there were references to BMI as having some influence. That's all I have. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

07-18-2013, 05:53 PM	#6
Curve Ball Dave Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,388	I'd love to see that 7'2" pitcher manage to get the ball down into the strike zone. He'd also have a helluva time fielding bunts. __________________ "Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing"-Warren Spahn.

07-18-2013, 07:19 PM	#9
injury log Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 9,162	Height and weight are correlated with certain skills in the game, when players are created, so players should "look right" - power hitters are heavier than speedsters, for example. And weight changes accompany skill changes - increases in weight accompany declines in defensive ability, for example. But besides the impact of height on pitcher stamina, I'm not sure there are other direct influences on the game. That is, if you create a new player, and make him 9 feet tall, he'll play the same as a 4 foot tall guy with the same ratings. edit - oh, there's one other exception for sure. In OOTP14, as part of the new defensive model, player height has a direct impact on a player's ability to field at 1B. Last edited by injury log; 07-18-2013 at 07:21 PM.

07-21-2013, 01:52 PM	#14
Padreman Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2013 Location: Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico (formally San Diego, CA.) Posts: 4,131	Impact on Height, Weight and Travel Ok so one league with two sub-leagues on in Canada and one in Australia will travel have impact on the players since that's a pretty long flight lets say from Toronto to Sidney? Last edited by Padreman; 07-21-2013 at 02:50 PM.

07-18-2013, 02:59 PM	#2
torpidbeaver Major Leagues Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 391	I'd love to hear more about this, also. I read in an older forum post that taller pitchers are more likely to succeed, so I've been more or less blindly picking taller pitching prospects towards the end of the draft. No idea if this actually pans out or not.

07-18-2013, 04:09 PM	#5
Padreman Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2013 Location: Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico (formally San Diego, CA.) Posts: 4,131	Ok so far it looks like height and weight does have impact but there is still not hard evidence. Where did Markus say this things?

07-18-2013, 06:24 PM	#8
gabeeg Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 50	"Previously there were references to BMI as having some influence." ...Note to self....put Pablo Sandoval on a diet ASAP.

07-18-2013, 08:00 PM	#10
mpejkrm All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 951	Height and weight do matter, more so height in a pitcher. A lot of scouts look for taller pitchers because they have lower fly ball tendencies and thus give up less home runs. Markus directly related height to stamina as well. For example, Royals prospect Yordano Ventura is an electric arm but a lot of scouts are wary if he can end up starting because he's not even 6 feet tall, and gives up his fair share of home runs. Weight affects speed, obviously. Doesn't take an OOTP addict to figure that one out.

07-18-2013, 11:03 PM	#11
pumph Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 94	I plan on employing 9-foot tall 2B/SS combination to have them snare those line drives into the gaps.

07-22-2013, 03:59 AM	#17
Left-handed Badger Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: at the altar of the baseball god praying for middle infield that can catch the ball Posts: 2,036	I had a 6'9 1B one time that despite having a very high Eye rating never seemed to draw too many walks. __________________ -Left-handed groundball specialist -Strikeouts are for wimps