Strike out against pitcher never faced?

potatoman · 06-07-2003, 01:51 PM

How can a batter strike out against a pitcher he never faced?

Long_Long_Name · 06-07-2003, 02:26 PM

Is this trivia or bug report?

fantom1979 · 06-07-2003, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by potatoman
How can a batter strike out against a pitcher he never faced?

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AnotherAlias · 06-07-2003, 03:44 PM

Well, he could strike out against a pitcher in a game that gets wiped out because of rain.

potatoman · 06-07-2003, 03:57 PM

just a question, cuz ive heard about it before

kq76 · 06-07-2003, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AnotherAlias
Well, he could strike out against a pitcher in a game that gets wiped out because of rain.

Actually, he would have faced the pitcher in that situation, but because the game rained out, the strike out would be wiped out.

I don't think it would be possible to "strike" out against a pitcher you never faced, get an out, maybe, but "strike" out I don't see it.

Draft Dodger · 06-07-2003, 05:01 PM

I would guess this would have something to do with some substitution / rainout loophole

potatoman · 06-07-2003, 05:07 PM

would this work? if there is two strikes on a batter and then the team pinch hits for the batter and then the other team brings in a new pitcher and the 2nd batter strikes out and the first pitcher gets the K?

kq76 · 06-07-2003, 05:11 PM

Here's another thread on it:

http://insiders2.ezboard.com/fbaseba...picID=19.topic

potatoman · 06-07-2003, 05:17 PM

wow...lol thats like the same exact question i asked...same subject too...freaky

kq76 · 06-07-2003, 05:18 PM

I believe this answers your question with a, no, the pinch hitter and relief pitcher get the Ks:

(#14)

http://people.ku.edu/~sdragoje/bball_rules.html

potatoman · 06-07-2003, 05:44 PM

but thats only with one strike. Im talking about 2 strikes...

kq76 · 06-07-2003, 06:06 PM

I see that you're saying the person responsible for 2 thirds of the strikeout is more responsible, but I doubt the ruling is any different as I think whoever actually makes the out is responsible for the strikeout. Think of it this way, during the plate appearance the third strike is worth more than the first strike. Sure, with hindsight it doesn't seem that way, surely they must all be equal, but many batters will take a first strike just to see the pitcher's pitches. No batter will willingly take a third strike, unless they're pretty sure there's a good chance it is a ball. You very well may be right, but I would be surprised if that is the ruling. A #-2 count is like a 7 game series tied 3-3, that last strike or game is worth all the marbles, the first strike or game just puts you down 1.

CubfanMurf · 06-07-2003, 07:39 PM

Actually, I think he is right. I think if a batter leaves with 2 strikes on him and the person replacing him strikes out, it goes a strikeout againts the original batter.

CubfanMurf · 06-07-2003, 07:43 PM

Yep...I was right. Here is what section 10.17 of the rules say.................

When the batter leaves the game with two strikes against him, and the substitute batter completes a strikeout, charge the strikeout and the time at bat to the first batter. If the substitute batter completes the turn at bat in any other manner, including a base on balls, score the action as having been that of the substitute batter.

Now, that would make the second batter strikeout without having technically faced the pitcher. Although, he wouldn't have "officially" struck out either.

kq76 · 06-07-2003, 08:27 PM

Well that sounds silly. But when does MLB not..

potatoman · 06-07-2003, 11:40 PM

but does the 1st pitcher record the strikeout?

CMH · 06-08-2003, 12:22 AM

I would assume that the rulin is treated the same for a pitcher as it is for a batter.

The pitcher/batter with two thirds of the strikes records the K.

Mycroft · 06-08-2003, 12:25 AM

Let's see if I understand this:

1. Pitcher A faces Batter A

2. Pitcher A gets two strikes on Batter A

3. Batter B goes in for Batter A.

4. Pitcher B goes in for Pitcher A.

5. Picher B picks up the third strike on Batter B.

6. Batter A records a strikeout (SO) because when a pinch hitter goes in for a Batter when they already have two strikes, the original batter gets the K.

Pitcher B gets the K, because the final pitcher of record gets the K.

Correct?

potatoman · 06-08-2003, 09:48 AM

from what yankeepride said, it wouldn't work that way...then it would only work this way i guess...

Batter A faces Pitcher A.

Batter A gets one strike.

Pitcher A gets replaced by Pitcher B.

Batter A gets another strike from Pitcher B.

Pitcher C replaces Pitcher B.

Batter B replaces batter A.

Batter A gets the third strike.

The K will be charged to batter A and to Pitcher C. Would that be correct?

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06-07-2003, 05:07 PM	#8
potatoman Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,410 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	would this work? if there is two strikes on a batter and then the team pinch hits for the batter and then the other team brings in a new pitcher and the 2nd batter strikes out and the first pitcher gets the K? __________________ GFBL - Storm - 5 seasons - 500 - 310 New Jersey Nighthawks (1227-717) Last 5 seasons 2011: 118-44 2012: 100-62 2013: 111-51 2014: 106-56 2015: 108-54 OTBA Champions: 2008, 2010,2011

06-07-2003, 05:11 PM	#9
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06-07-2003, 01:51 PM	#1
potatoman Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,410 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Strike out against pitcher never faced? How can a batter strike out against a pitcher he never faced?

06-07-2003, 03:44 PM	#4
AnotherAlias Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I'm back...for now Posts: 4,190	Well, he could strike out against a pitcher in a game that gets wiped out because of rain.

06-07-2003, 05:17 PM	#10
potatoman Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,410 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	wow...lol thats like the same exact question i asked...same subject too...freaky __________________ GFBL - Storm - 5 seasons - 500 - 310 New Jersey Nighthawks (1227-717) Last 5 seasons 2011: 118-44 2012: 100-62 2013: 111-51 2014: 106-56 2015: 108-54 OTBA Champions: 2008, 2010,2011

06-07-2003, 05:18 PM	#11
kq76 Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 11,773	I believe this answers your question with a, no, the pinch hitter and relief pitcher get the Ks: (#14) http://people.ku.edu/~sdragoje/bball_rules.html __________________ My OOTP Wishlist \| My FAQ List OOTP Wiki \| Your Recommended Team Nicknames, By City (A Crowdsourced Project)

06-07-2003, 05:44 PM	#12
potatoman Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,410 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	but thats only with one strike. Im talking about 2 strikes... __________________ GFBL - Storm - 5 seasons - 500 - 310 New Jersey Nighthawks (1227-717) Last 5 seasons 2011: 118-44 2012: 100-62 2013: 111-51 2014: 106-56 2015: 108-54 OTBA Champions: 2008, 2010,2011

06-07-2003, 06:06 PM	#13
kq76 Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 11,773	I see that you're saying the person responsible for 2 thirds of the strikeout is more responsible, but I doubt the ruling is any different as I think whoever actually makes the out is responsible for the strikeout. Think of it this way, during the plate appearance the third strike is worth more than the first strike. Sure, with hindsight it doesn't seem that way, surely they must all be equal, but many batters will take a first strike just to see the pitcher's pitches. No batter will willingly take a third strike, unless they're pretty sure there's a good chance it is a ball. You very well may be right, but I would be surprised if that is the ruling. A #-2 count is like a 7 game series tied 3-3, that last strike or game is worth all the marbles, the first strike or game just puts you down 1. __________________ My OOTP Wishlist \| My FAQ List OOTP Wiki \| Your Recommended Team Nicknames, By City (A Crowdsourced Project)

06-07-2003, 07:39 PM	#14
CubfanMurf Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Morris, IL Posts: 74	Actually, I think he is right. I think if a batter leaves with 2 strikes on him and the person replacing him strikes out, it goes a strikeout againts the original batter. __________________ People's Baseball League (PBL)-Chicago White Sox (1966 to current 1982 season.....1978, 80 & 81 AL Central champs; 1980 WS champion) Classic Major League Baseball (CMLB)-Atlanta Braves (1987 to current 1992 season) FORT Historical League-Chicago Cubs (1950 to current 1958 season...1951 WS Champs)

06-07-2003, 07:43 PM	#15
CubfanMurf Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Morris, IL Posts: 74	Yep...I was right. Here is what section 10.17 of the rules say................. When the batter leaves the game with two strikes against him, and the substitute batter completes a strikeout, charge the strikeout and the time at bat to the first batter. If the substitute batter completes the turn at bat in any other manner, including a base on balls, score the action as having been that of the substitute batter. Now, that would make the second batter strikeout without having technically faced the pitcher. Although, he wouldn't have "officially" struck out either. __________________ People's Baseball League (PBL)-Chicago White Sox (1966 to current 1982 season.....1978, 80 & 81 AL Central champs; 1980 WS champion) Classic Major League Baseball (CMLB)-Atlanta Braves (1987 to current 1992 season) FORT Historical League-Chicago Cubs (1950 to current 1958 season...1951 WS Champs)

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06-07-2003, 11:40 PM	#17
potatoman Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,410 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	but does the 1st pitcher record the strikeout? __________________ GFBL - Storm - 5 seasons - 500 - 310 New Jersey Nighthawks (1227-717) Last 5 seasons 2011: 118-44 2012: 100-62 2013: 111-51 2014: 106-56 2015: 108-54 OTBA Champions: 2008, 2010,2011

06-08-2003, 12:22 AM	#18
CMH Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,057	I would assume that the rulin is treated the same for a pitcher as it is for a batter. The pitcher/batter with two thirds of the strikes records the K.

06-08-2003, 12:25 AM	#19
Mycroft Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 193	Let's see if I understand this: 1. Pitcher A faces Batter A 2. Pitcher A gets two strikes on Batter A 3. Batter B goes in for Batter A. 4. Pitcher B goes in for Pitcher A. 5. Picher B picks up the third strike on Batter B. 6. Batter A records a strikeout (SO) because when a pinch hitter goes in for a Batter when they already have two strikes, the original batter gets the K. Pitcher B gets the K, because the final pitcher of record gets the K. Correct? __________________ I wouldn't give you David Wright for your whole team. [paraphrased from a statement to Brach Rickey, about Brooks Robinson]

06-08-2003, 09:48 AM	#20
potatoman Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,410 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	from what yankeepride said, it wouldn't work that way...then it would only work this way i guess... Batter A faces Pitcher A. Batter A gets one strike. Pitcher A gets replaced by Pitcher B. Batter A gets another strike from Pitcher B. Pitcher C replaces Pitcher B. Batter B replaces batter A. Batter A gets the third strike. The K will be charged to batter A and to Pitcher C. Would that be correct? __________________ GFBL - Storm - 5 seasons - 500 - 310 New Jersey Nighthawks (1227-717) Last 5 seasons 2011: 118-44 2012: 100-62 2013: 111-51 2014: 106-56 2015: 108-54 OTBA Champions: 2008, 2010,2011