Very Disappointed with OOTP12

[The Wolf]

If you guys don't think that finally being able to save games, not being stuck with substitution slip-ups, the new auto-calc, and the new financial additions aren't all major, significant improvements then we must live in different gaming worlds.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by Thundercrack

the Guardians of the Game

That's a nasty and undeserved description for people who really like the game. I could come up with one for people like you that would be just as offensive, but since the only reason to do so would be to try to hurt your feelings, demean you, and make an argument ugly and personal I'm not going to do that. You shouldn't have either.

[bubba22plus]

I'm so disappointed, i haven't saved up the money to buy it...
































































































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[1998 Yankees]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

OOTP 12 isn't perfect, but:

1. OOTP 12 the best computer baseball game you can buy. Period.

2. There is at least one and more likely two major patches yet to arrive for OOTP 12.

3. I paid thirty bucks for OOTP 12. Outside of the Civilization series and maybe the X3 series, OOTP is the most value in terms of gaming enjoyment divided by cost that I've been able to find, and I've been looking hard.

4. Not all games are a good fit with all gamers. IMO a bunch of the people who complain about OOTP on this board would be a lot happier with a PS3 and a copy of MLB The Show. You may be one of them.

I'm sorry that you don't enjoy OOTP 12. Personally I really enjoy it and really like the major improvements in it over OOTP 11. Good luck finding a game you do like.

Wolf, you are becoming downright eloquent!

[Thundercrack]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

That's a nasty and undeserved description for people who really like the game. I could come up with one for people like you that would be just as offensive, but since the only reason to do so would be to try to hurt your feelings, demean you, and make an argument ugly and personal I'm not going to do that. You shouldn't have either.

I, too, really like this game, been playing since the early days, have gotten more bang for the buck than I could ever have possibly hoped to have gotten and would sing this games praises to high heaven to someone who was unfamiliar with it. But this board is the place for constructive criticism among the people who like and love it. No need to come charging to it's defense every time some dissatisfaction is aired. I apologize if you took my comment as demeaning, though if I were the original poster I would certainly have taken your comment about his being happier playing MLB the show as demeaning and intended to belittle his legitimate concerns.

[ShaneCarson]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

If you guys don't think that finally being able to save games, not being stuck with substitution slip-ups, the new auto-calc, and the new financial additions aren't all major, significant improvements then we must live in different gaming worlds.

I've been pretty silent around here as I have been trying to continue on with my league that I imported into OOTP12 but it's proving to be more work than it is fun. Some of those new features you named are excellent but the financial system seems to be in complete disarray right now. As I am posting this, I count 9 threads on the first page in which people are dealing with financial issues. I have seen countless different anecdotes for "fixing" these issues but none of them really seem to be ideal.

Unfortunately I am at the point where I am going to go back to my backup of where I imported and continue on with my league in OOTP11. I'd love to experience all the new story lines(probably what I was most excited about), the new contract options, and the countless other features that were put into this new version but I can't go on with my league in 12 with the way finances are.

[albatross11]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

...we must live in different gaming worlds.

Which, of course, is entirely possible.

[MNGrizzly]

Originally Posted by endgame

So, I'm disappointed that MNGrizzly had this experience. I'm equally thankful he took the time to share the experience in a straightforward way, absent of a hateful and genuinely bitter tone. Personally, I think he'll get back at it and try to put it together, try to make it work. It's what long-term OOTP'ers do, isn't it, remain faithful despite disappointment?

You're probably right. I was obviously very frustrated when I wrote that post. I've played this for a long time, and this was the first time something prompted me to do more than just lurk on these forums. The corrupted database on the first save of my first league, after everything else, really didn't sit well with me.

To some of the other posters, obviously I recognize all of OOTPs great qualities, or I wouldn't still be buying new versions after all of these years. The point of the original post was not to say that OOTP has suddenly become an inferior baseball sim, or that I'd recommend a different program.

All I was really trying to get across, through my veil of frustration, is that I don't feel that OOTP12 was as significant of an upgrade from the previous version, when compared to what we've seen in the past. Compounding that frustration was the fact that the new features I encountered in my "inaugural" season were either buggy or unwelcome.

The new injury diagnosis personal message seems to have been the most talked about of all the things I brought up. All I wanted here was an option to not be notified of undiagnosed injuries by personal message. I'm not going to make any roster moves until I have a diagnosis, so the fact that each of these injuries now stops my sim twice is frustrating... even more so when the diagnosis that comes in is less than the threshold I have set for injury notification messages. Maybe it was there, and I overlooked it, but I couldn't find a way to get this done.

While I believe OOTP is the best baseball sim out there, in my opinion this latest version came up a little short. Maybe after a patch or two, it'll get there, and I really hope it does, but for my money, I'll stick to 11 until I see some more fixes.

[The Wolf]

Given the OP's supplemental comments, my post here would have been pointless. I wish him happiness playing OOTP 11, which is a great game.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

Wolf, you are becoming downright eloquent!

Some people clearly disagree!

[wellsoliver]

Originally Posted by damientheomen3

Actually, beta was much shorter this year than previous years.

Maybe too much focus went into iOOTP and has jeopardized OOTP 12's stability/robustness..

[silvam14]

Originally Posted by wellsoliver

too much focus went into iOOTP and has jeopardized OOTP 12's stability/robustness..

Fixed that for ya

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[Reggie]

Originally Posted by endgame

I didn't find the original post one of a vilifying nature, but one riddled with frustration in, regretfully, an honest portrayal of his experience. I'll assume the odd role, advocating a more open and inviting environment to hear these concerns. While I take the last line of the post, indicating a parting of the ways, with a grain of salt, rather than trumpet our glorious experiences with the game, we need to understand this could be the sentiment of a new user as well as one, like the OP, who is a veteran to the game. Unfortunately, that new voice typically chooses, IMHO, one of two paths: a scorching indictment that is a mixed bag of the baseless, lack of patience, and hyperbole OR they provide nothing at all in the way of feedback. Whether that means they sulk quietly in disappointment or begrudge the game for not meeting their expectations, we're deprived of what resides at the root of that frustration and consequently the opportunity to rectify, if necessary, or grow.

So, I'm disappointed that MNGrizzly had this experience. I'm equally thankful he took the time to share the experience in a straightforward way, absent of a hateful and genuinely bitter tone. Personally, I think he'll get back at it and try to put it together, try to make it work. It's what long-term OOTP'ers do, isn't it, remain faithful despite disappointment? We always recognize there's more work to be done. With all the respect they're due, I caution the evangelical to temper the zeal for the game with a sincere attempt to hear the gamer.

Aging myself a little bit:


I started with APBA..went to Strato-Matic.. then found Front Page Sports..that died and I went to High Heat..now I'm on OOTP.

Each version/stage had things that bugged the heck out of me..from unrealistic game play to having to update stats by hand ( eraser and pencil! )

I am conflicted a little bit here.. I want people to complain about issues that can be improved.. I also want people to be realistic and remember how far things have come in baseball simulation. It isn't perfect, but I also don't want potential buyers to get the wrong idea that it is a game full of errors. It is an amazingly fun and realistic game to play that can use improvement in a few areas.

I want this love affair to last.

[Matty86]

Originally Posted by Reggie

Aging myself a little bit:


I started with APBA..went to Strato-Matic.. then found Front Page Sports..that died and I went to High Heat..now I'm on OOTP.

Each version/stage had things that bugged the heck out of me..from unrealistic game play to having to update stats by hand ( eraser and pencil! )

I am conflicted a little bit here.. I want people to complain about issues that can be improved.. I also want people to be realistic and remember how far things have come in baseball simulation. It isn't perfect, but I also don't want potential buyers to get the wrong idea that it is a game full of errors. It is an amazingly fun and realistic game to play that can use improvement in a few areas.

I want this love affair to last.

I just joined my first APBA league a few weeks ago... I love OOTP, but theres just something about rolling the dice and keeping all of the stats myself that I love... Making deals and stuff in a face to face league, feel more connecting to my team there then I ever have with OOTP.

Sorry, that was off-topic. Back to your regularly scheduled banter!

[Reggie]

Originally Posted by Matty86

I just joined my first APBA league a few weeks ago... I love OOTP, but theres just something about rolling the dice and keeping all of the stats myself that I love... Making deals and stuff in a face to face league, feel more connecting to my team there then I ever have with OOTP.

Sorry, that was off-topic. Back to your regularly scheduled banter!

No need to apologize.. I've spent the last 30 years trying to replicate that experience. It was the best time of my life. I just want a game that gives me the same experience with a little less work.This game does that for me. I want this to be a viable company for many MANY years. That is all.

[BusterKing]

I hate this game. Every day I waste hours playing it.



When I should be out enjoying the real world.

Damn you OOTP.

Now....

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by BusterKing

I hate this game. Every day I waste hours playing it.

When I should be out enjoying the real world.

The real world is overrated.

[Killebrew]

Irony alert...

Originally Posted by The Wolf

That's a nasty and undeserved description for people who really like the game. I could come up with one for people like you that would be just as offensive, but since the only reason to do so would be to try to hurt your feelings, demean you, and make an argument ugly and personal I'm not going to do that. You shouldn't have either.

Being that defensive about a constructive post does not help Markus or users of OOTP. In fact, it comes across as a statement intended to dissuade further constructive criticism, which is exactly what that 'Guardians of the Game' comment means.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by Killebrew

Irony alert...

Being that defensive about a constructive post does not help Markus or users of OOTP. In fact, it comes across as a statement intended to dissuade further constructive criticism, which is exactly what that 'Guardians of the Game' comment means.

Let me get this straight. You think that insulting nicknames, designed to hurt, demean, and make arguments go angry and personal in what had been a civil thread up to that point are somehow a good idea here? If so, then your partisanship has totally overridden your judgment.

[silvam14]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Let me get this straight. You think that insulting nicknames, designed to hurt, demean, and make arguments go angry and personal in what had been a civil thread up to that point are somehow a good idea here? If so, then your partisanship has totally overridden your judgment.

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