A poll about women's / mixed leagues - Page 9

MimesisBTG · 05-16-2011, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

This one is issue-based and quite simple: reality or science fiction. Pick one.

Respectfully, I'm not sure this quite captures the debate. Two things:

1) I'm unsure as to how you are employing the term "science fiction" here. To my understanding, science fiction is a genre that that makes imaginative use of scientific knowledge. Not sure that a women's league would fall under this heading, as it would not require a great advance in science to accomplish.

2) Perhaps more importantly, the strict dichotomy that you have drawn seems to discount the possibility of a game that has enough customization options to appeal to both crowds. I'm not convinced that it has to be one or the other.

Cryomaniac · 05-16-2011, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweed

I still don't see why this isn't the best course of action. Mods have already created women's files, according to what I've read here. These can then be shared without creating a "support responsibility" for Markus.

That is certainly a good idea, and one I've actually suggested in the past.

Cooleyvol · 05-16-2011, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

............. Wolf out.

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

Apparently some people can't read. What I and my roughly half of the debate have been arguing for is a game that has the features of real baseball as it exists. It isn't about our personal preferences - I'd personally love to see the DH rule done away with for good and never even available as an option if it wasn't part of The Show - but simply a matter of what is real versus what is not.

This whole issue boils down to reality versus science fiction, baseball game versus RPG game, respect for the game as it is versus silliness. It is not personal or about any one person, despite the misguided efforts of some people here who persist in trying to make every argument personal and about their opponent(s) instead of about the issues involved.

This one is issue-based and quite simple: reality or science fiction. Pick one.

Well that didn't last too long.

Le Grande Orange · 05-16-2011, 07:26 PM

I don't care about the issue one way or the other. But if you're asking me to rank the idea in terms of priority, I'd put it way down the list.

Carplos · 05-16-2011, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

I don't care about the issue one way or the other. But if you're asking me to rank the idea in terms of priority, I'd put it way down the list.

I don't think any supporter of the idea is suggesting otherwise.

Cryomaniac · 05-16-2011, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Carplos

I don't think any supporter of the idea is suggesting otherwise.

I'm certainly not, and I'm not sure anyone in this thread has.

Carplos · 05-16-2011, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

I'm certainly not, and I'm not sure anyone in this thread has.

The only thing I would note about the mod route is that for modders to do it, it would mean they have to overwrite an existing name set and obviously there's FaceGen issues. So I could understand why some people aren't satisfied with the mod route, but yeah, no one is saying this is an immediate issue. It's one amongst tons of things people want to see, and seemingly low priority.

kehowey · 05-17-2011, 02:07 AM

I agree - leave female leagues to the modders. I would like to see the ability in OOTP Facegen to accept long hair mods.

Dargone · 05-17-2011, 02:49 PM

If it's not in THE SHOW then it is science fiction. There are no girls in THE SHOW. How dare anyone want to use OOTP for doing anything that is not in THE SHOW.

Dargone · 05-17-2011, 03:06 PM

Dola,

All kidding aside, I couldn't care less if this was a feature of the game. OOTP is a product and Business 101 tells you that you design your product to suit your customers wants and needs.

If there is enough demand for "science fiction" type stuff then the game should contain that. Although, and it's semantics, I don't see female players as "science fiction."

Whatever is going to please the most customers and increase revenue and profits is what Markus should spend his time on. To say the game should contain only things present in "THE SHOW" is not necessarily the best business decision, although it might be. That's what you pay the big bucks to the marketing guys for.

Dregen · 05-17-2011, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dargone

Dola,

All kidding aside, I couldn't care less if this was a feature of the game. OOTP is a product and Business 101 tells you that you deign your product to suit your customers wants and needs.

If there is enough demand for "science fiction" type stuff then the game should contain that. Although, and its semantics, I don't see female players as "science fiction."

Whatever is going to please the most customers and increase revenue and profits is what Markus should spend his time on. To say the game should contain only things present in "THE SHOW" is not necessarily the best business decision. Although it might be. That's what you pay the big bucks to the marketing guys for.

Great point.

The Wolf · 05-17-2011, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Cooleyvol

Well that didn't last too long.

Yep. Someone decided to lie about me after I thought I was done, so I came back.

The Wolf · 05-17-2011, 07:48 PM

Science fiction refers to fictional things that don't exist in this world but might exist, usually in the future. Women's baseball leagues don't and have never existed, and I'm sure that they won't in the future, but since they MIGHT possibly exist one day they do constitute science fiction. Personally I view them as an impossibility, but I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt; they're science fiction at best.

Before this thread I thought this game was about baseball and was for baseball fans. I am quite sorry to have learned otherwise.

Cryomaniac · 05-17-2011, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

Science fiction refers to fictional things that don't exist in this world but might exist, usually in the future. Women's baseball leagues don't and have never existed, and I'm sure that they won't in the future, but since they MIGHT possibly exist one day they do constitute science fiction. Personally I view them as an impossibility, but I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt; they're science fiction at best.

Before this thread I thought this game was about baseball and was for baseball fans. I am quite sorry to have learned otherwise.

The problem is that someone wanting "science fiction" doesn't, in itself, preclude the same person from being a "baseball fan" as well. The two things aren't mutually exclusive.

Chicagofan76 · 05-17-2011, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

Before this thread I thought this game was about baseball and was for baseball fans. I am quite sorry to have learned otherwise.

Bob Costas, calm down things change.

As with many people on here u wont find a bigger baseball fan then me, we all overall know the history of our teams, know the ins & outs of baseball, and most of us can never be considered bandwagon or fairweather fans. Yes I have a Science Fiction league that I have been playing for 23 yrs...YEARS, brother not 23 days...I created my league in 1988, Women came into that league in 1994, Japanese players came in that league in 1990...there was no Hideo Nomo yet. Seekiko Zenith is a HOF 1B in my league a full 5 yrs before Nomo played, was that science fiction in 1990? perhaps but it happened IRL. I didnt add my 1st Japanese pitcher until after Nomo played.

I took my love of baseball and combined it with my love of Star Wars and refined it over the yrs. I have played this league which I am starting from scratch on various PC games since 1992ish. prior to that it was done with homemade baseball cards.

In the 1930's (and before and after) having blacks play baseball would have been considered science fiction, many people considered them 2nd class citizens. If girls played baseball in HS vs softball it is conceivable that there would be girls in baseball eventually.

MimesisBTG · 05-17-2011, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

Before this thread I thought this game was about baseball and was for baseball fans. I am quite sorry to have learned otherwise.

What exactly did you learn was otherwise? That the game is not about baseball because some of its fans also like what you are calling "science fiction"? Or that the game is not made for baseball fans since it attracts these "science fiction" people? Alternatively, I suppose, you could be inferring that a certain segment of those who play the game are not baseball fans on account of the fact that they also like "science fiction"?

I personally don't find any of these conclusions compelling.

PSUColonel · 05-17-2011, 11:22 PM

I am really becoming convinced this forum is full of a real bunch of dorks.

Carplos · 05-17-2011, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

I am really becoming convinced this forum is full of a real bunch of dorks.

You play a text-based sim game. You are a dork too. Don't pretend otherwise.

PSUColonel · 05-17-2011, 11:26 PM

umm...not really no I'm afraid.

Chicagofan76 · 05-17-2011, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

I am really becoming convinced this forum is full of a real bunch of dorks.

Dude get over yourself, and come to Diamond IL, I'll show u what a dork can do to u.

View Poll Results: Should OOTP allow women's leagues to be made in game?
Yes	77	52.03%
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05-17-2011, 02:49 PM	#169
Dargone Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Interwebs Posts: 2,862	If it's not in THE SHOW then it is science fiction. There are no girls in THE SHOW. How dare anyone want to use OOTP for doing anything that is not in THE SHOW. __________________ I was never one to patiently pick up broken fragments and glue them together again and tell myself that the mended whole was as good as new. What is broken is broken -- and I'd rather remember it as it was at its best than mend it and see the broken places as long as I lived.-Margaret Mitchell

05-17-2011, 03:06 PM	#170
Dargone Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Interwebs Posts: 2,862	Dola, All kidding aside, I couldn't care less if this was a feature of the game. OOTP is a product and Business 101 tells you that you design your product to suit your customers wants and needs. If there is enough demand for "science fiction" type stuff then the game should contain that. Although, and it's semantics, I don't see female players as "science fiction." Whatever is going to please the most customers and increase revenue and profits is what Markus should spend his time on. To say the game should contain only things present in "THE SHOW" is not necessarily the best business decision, although it might be. That's what you pay the big bucks to the marketing guys for. __________________ I was never one to patiently pick up broken fragments and glue them together again and tell myself that the mended whole was as good as new. What is broken is broken -- and I'd rather remember it as it was at its best than mend it and see the broken places as long as I lived.-Margaret Mitchell Last edited by Dargone; 05-18-2011 at 12:48 AM.

05-16-2011, 07:26 PM	#164
Le Grande Orange Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Up There Posts: 15,644	I don't care about the issue one way or the other. But if you're asking me to rank the idea in terms of priority, I'd put it way down the list.

05-17-2011, 02:07 AM	#168
kehowey Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: michigan Posts: 327	I agree - leave female leagues to the modders. I would like to see the ability in OOTP Facegen to accept long hair mods.

05-17-2011, 11:22 PM	#177
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,106	I am really becoming convinced this forum is full of a real bunch of dorks.

05-17-2011, 11:26 PM	#179
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,106	umm...not really no I'm afraid.