"storyline engine" - Page 3

Rangersfan · 04-12-2010, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Pineapple

Very nice info Muzamba!
I also hope to see in future OOTP editions, that player personality attributes get expanded on to further tie in the storyline feature. In OOTP, there's no "Manny Ramirez" or "Milton Bradley" factor. Teams and GMs may be wary of signing a player with volatile personalities as those. In OOTP, there's not much of a repercussion for signing an eccentric player.

I would love to see other personality attributes added to affect story lines and on/off the field stuff.

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Originally Posted by Muzamba

Oh, and no more instances of nice guys inexplicably punching out news cameramen. That's because storylines can now be tied to personality.Now, only those with low personality ratings will be the ones acting up and getting into trouble. Conversely, don't expect to see a Milton Bradley taking time off to donate a kidney.

According to the quote above it sounds like personality will effect a players off the field storyline.

Markus Heinsohn · 04-12-2010, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by megamanmatt

@Muzamba: You're going to make my brain explode.

Mine too.

Markus Heinsohn · 04-12-2010, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Rangersfan

According to the quote above it sounds like personality will effect a players off the field storyline.

Yes and no. Some stories are conditioned to only happen for players with a certain personality, some aren't.

megamanmatt · 04-12-2010, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Mine too.

Oooooh no you don't. Not until release anyway.

Syd Thrift · 04-12-2010, 01:58 AM

Milton Bradley doesn't strike me as particularly selfish. He strikes me as a smart guy who, like many athletes, uses a lot of real and sometimes not so real slights to give him an edge in the game, and who sometimes lets those emotions get beyond his control. He also gets hurt a lot. I guess it's sort of selfish that he chooses not to play hurt (although he sure played last year like he did) but to me that classifies him as a non-extremist in doing whatever people tell him to do.

Anyway, Bradley aside I really like this feature. I'm already thinking of what would be in a deadball era storyline file. Managers jumping teams and taking their best players with them, fire destroying ballparks, a catcher getting a defensive boost by introducing the "tools of ignorance" into the game... the possibilities seem endless. I wasn't sure what, exactly, this was going to be but now I am totally stoked beyond stokignition. Europa Universalis: Baseball, here we come!

Subzero · 04-12-2010, 02:17 AM

This sounds seriously bad ass. I cannot wait for the game to be released as this sounds like something you could spend a ton of time playing with.

Pineapple · 04-12-2010, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Rangersfan

According to the quote above it sounds like personality will effect a players off the field storyline.

Yeah, I understand. I just meant I hope for more attributes added in the future that can possibly impact news stories besides the "six" right now (leadership, loyalty, greed, desire for a winning team, intelligence, and work ethic).

There could be different personalities such as laid-back, fiesty, showboating, etc.

For example, a showboating hitter may stare at a deep home run shot. A laid-back player will most likely just trot around the bases. If the pitcher is rated fiesty, he may plunk that showboater with a beanball the next time at bat.

Or a manager rated fiesty may butt heads with a player rated fiesty. These two players may get into an argument with a storyline developing.

Maybe there's a personality trait that makes a player desire playing for a big market team (such as when Jason Giambi wanted to go to the Yankees).

ctorg · 04-12-2010, 11:15 AM

Are we going to get some kind of list of tags and instructions at some point so that those of us who like to dream up odd scenarios can begin to think of how to code them, or see if they're even possible?

I remember I once made a humorous injury file that included such injuries as "temporary insanity" and the dreaded "spontaneous combustion" career ending injury. This could take things to a whole new level.

Markus Heinsohn · 04-12-2010, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ctorg

Are we going to get some kind of list of tags and instructions at some point so that those of us who like to dream up odd scenarios can begin to think of how to code them, or see if they're even possible?

I remember I once made a humorous injury file that included such injuries as "temporary insanity" and the dreaded "spontaneous combustion" career ending injury. This could take things to a whole new level.

Yes, instructions are in the works, but it'll take a few more days...

Esasky10 · 04-12-2010, 01:01 PM

Careful not to get carried away.....remember Marty Bergen.... though the fun you could have with Jose Canseco or Daryl Strawberry.

attackemu · 04-12-2010, 01:48 PM

One great thing is that it will enable us to do things in historical leagues I've been doing manually for years, like the Black Sox scandal.

ctorg · 04-12-2010, 01:55 PM

Or the draft during WWII. That's a big one to me.

Andreas Raht · 04-12-2010, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Daern

Damn, a reason to not start a league right away...Dx

But a pretty damn GOOD reason to wait. xD

You can import additional storyline files in existing leagues anytime

You can also re-import updated files, as long as the IDs where not changed. So, start you league, no worries.

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Originally Posted by Kelric

Players getting serious health issues and retiring (Gehrig) or coming back (Jon Lester, among others), players receiving Lasik and seeing a slight improvement in plate discipline, players not getting along with their managers, etc., etc., etc.

The good thing is that a storyline can evolve in any direction that is covered by the (customizable) data in the XML file. So, the health issues of a player might produce a single news article or 100 articles through 5 years. And you'll not know how the story will end before it happens.

gglennwill · 04-12-2010, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Muzamba

And incidentally, for those of you who think this is all fluff (And I'm sure some of you do!) please keep this mind...

If you don't want storylines in your universe, you can always turn them off! Or, if you only want certain types of storylines, all you have to do is open up the xml file and delete those you don't want. It's that simple!

I guess I'm somewhere in between elated and thinking that this is "fluff". It sounds intriguing and fun in many ways. My only worry is that the number of incidents that keep my players from playing will increase to the point of annoyance, more than in OOTP10. I guess that can happen in real life, but I'm just hoping its not TOO much distraction and that too many seasons are ruined due to these weird things happening. If I'm not making myself clear, I apologize; I just don't want every season to be sabotaged by weird events occurring.

Muzamba · 04-12-2010, 06:59 PM

Sorry for any aneurysms I may have caused with my storyline explanation. What can I say? I was on a roll! It's just really exciting stuff.

Muzamba · 04-12-2010, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by gglennwill

I guess I'm somewhere in between elated and thinking that this is "fluff". It sounds intriguing and fun in many ways. My only worry is that the number of incidents that keep my players from playing will increase to the point of annoyance, more than in OOTP10. I guess that can happen in real life, but I'm just hoping its not TOO much distraction and that too many seasons are ruined due to these weird things happening. If I'm not making myself clear, I apologize; I just don't want every season to be sabotaged by weird events occurring.

...which is understandable.

I think the key is to run a test sim of a few seasons, then look back at the news articles and see how many of these storylines played out and to what extent they affected your league. If the number and/or degree of impact seems too high, simply open up the storylines xml file and lower the frequency values.

Unfortunately, since there are only a limited number of storylines in the initial release, this will be somewhat difficult to gauge at this point. Once all the new storylines are in, it'll be much easier to know how much of an impact they're having.

However, rest assured that we will be thoroughly testing these to make sure they're occuring only about as often as they should be. There is a general consensus among those of us working on this feature that in order for storylines to be realistic, they need to be uncommon by default and only rarely have a discernable effect on the outcome of any given season.

Having said all of this, it's still possible that you may end up thinking there are too many superfluous articles/storylines... which is fine. Again, that's why it's the file is customizable. Simply delete out the storylines you don't want to see. On the other hand, if there are any you DO want to see that aren't in the default storylines file, you can always add them in yourself. (Seriously, I expect that eventually, there will be dozens of alternate storyline files available as mods that will allow any number of different settings and scenarios. So you might someday see a Middle Earth storyline file for the hobbit leaguers or historical storyline files that only include stories appropriate for a specific era. As I said, the possibilities are nearly endless!)

PSUColonel · 03-22-2011, 02:31 PM

Is it me, but did the features discussed in this thread never really come alive?

OakDragon · 03-22-2011, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

Is it me, but did the features discussed in this thread never really come alive?

Which features? I'm not sure all of them did, but some of them certainly. Unfortunately (to me at least), the "storylines" appear in your mail, not the league/team news, where you'd think they'd be. For someone like me who basically ignores the mail because 90% is uninteresting and can't be turned off with out turning off interesting parts, this was a big disappointment.

ctorg · 03-23-2011, 08:30 AM

There is SO MUCH potential for this. I really hope Markus is able to get it more heavily involved in the game, with user customizability. Just putting the architecture in place would allow the community to make something great of it.

Mntwins · 03-23-2011, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by OakDragon

Which features? I'm not sure all of them did, but some of them certainly. Unfortunately (to me at least), the "storylines" appear in your mail, not the league/team news, where you'd think they'd be. For someone like me who basically ignores the mail because 90% is uninteresting and can't be turned off with out turning off interesting parts, this was a big disappointment.

I agree. But it does have lots of good potential.

04-12-2010, 11:15 AM	#48
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04-12-2010, 01:48 PM	#51
attackemu All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 972	One great thing is that it will enable us to do things in historical leagues I've been doing manually for years, like the Black Sox scandal. __________________ "Disguised in EMU's Blunt and sometimes hostile post is actually very sound advice. I think you would be wise to consider what he said." -ihatenames

04-12-2010, 01:55 PM	#52
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	Or the draft during WWII. That's a big one to me. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

03-23-2011, 08:30 AM	#59
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	There is SO MUCH potential for this. I really hope Markus is able to get it more heavily involved in the game, with user customizability. Just putting the architecture in place would allow the community to make something great of it. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

04-12-2010, 02:17 AM	#46
Subzero Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 32	This sounds seriously bad ass. I cannot wait for the game to be released as this sounds like something you could spend a ton of time playing with.

04-12-2010, 01:01 PM	#50
Esasky10 Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5	Careful not to get carried away.....remember Marty Bergen.... though the fun you could have with Jose Canseco or Daryl Strawberry.

04-12-2010, 06:59 PM	#55
Muzamba Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,325	Sorry for any aneurysms I may have caused with my storyline explanation. What can I say? I was on a roll! It's just really exciting stuff.

03-22-2011, 02:31 PM	#57
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,140	Is it me, but did the features discussed in this thread never really come alive?