How do you play OOTP? - Page 2

kckid4u · 02-28-2011, 03:44 AM

I just seem to play with myself mostly.

BadluckinOOTP · 02-28-2011, 06:04 AM

Start with modern which becomes fictional before too long. I've tried to start straight fictional, but I have trouble becoming "immersed" in it, right from the start. So, the real players to start off with gives me a great jumping off point.

Bluenoser · 02-28-2011, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by BusterKing

Well I like the real modern MLB.

Why would anyone like to play fictional? Names don't mean nothing in that type of game play. What's the fun in that?

I don't understand that comment. I believe in "to each his/her own. What's fun for one isn't for another, why question it? It's just as easy to say "where's the fun in playing with real players and preconcieved notions of what the player should do? Must be real disappointing when Albert Pujols only hits 22 Hr's with 75 Rbi's in his prime.

Bluenoser · 02-28-2011, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Layton is my Homeboy

I probably should have included an "online" option. I am assuming that most online players are in fictional leagues, but I suppose that some people must play historical/real online as well.

I don't think you needed an "online" option. Whether you play solo, online, or both, you're still playing in a real/historical/fictional or some combination of those.

ukhotstove · 02-28-2011, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by BadluckinOOTP

Start with modern which becomes fictional before too long. I've tried to start straight fictional, but I have trouble becoming "immersed" in it, right from the start. So, the real players to start off with gives me a great jumping off point.

Have you tried setting up a small league say 6 teams, then use town names from where you live. Maybe use names of people you know for the players.

AirmenSmith · 02-28-2011, 08:40 AM

I'm actually suprised by the results as of now. I thought it would be a smaller gap between fictional and MLB. I wonder if some of the fictional votes are from ppl that play MLB but keep playing to where it is fictional after 15-20 years.

BusterKing · 02-28-2011, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Bluenoser

I don't understand that comment. I believe in "to each his/her own. What's fun for one isn't for another, why question it? It's just as easy to say "where's the fun in playing with real players and preconcieved notions of what the player should do? Must be real disappointing when Albert Pujols only hits 22 Hr's with 75 Rbi's in his prime.

Let me try to make you understand.

To get some feedback. Of course it's to each his own.

cephasjames · 02-28-2011, 08:47 AM

Straight fictional or fictional based off of history. I tried historical a few times but I could never get past real players not performing how they do in real life. Just like someone experiencing real history (rather than looking back on it) I like the actual players creating names for themselves.

AirmenSmith · 02-28-2011, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BadluckinOOTP

Start with modern which becomes fictional before too long. I've tried to start straight fictional, but I have trouble becoming "immersed" in it, right from the start. So, the real players to start off with gives me a great jumping off point.

This for me.

The Wolf · 02-28-2011, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by BadluckinOOTP

Start with modern which becomes fictional before too long. I've tried to start straight fictional, but I have trouble becoming "immersed" in it, right from the start. So, the real players to start off with gives me a great jumping off point.

Plus you have real teams, real history, real records, real stadiums and real leagues. Sure, eventually all the players from today retire, but you still have a real framework and real MLB history and it's the future, not some fantasy.

It's like the difference between science fiction and fantasy. Science fiction is supposed to be set in a universe like this one and have similar rules and properties, whereas fantasy can be set anywhere and have any parameters it likes.

Like some others here I need that framework of reality. Without it the necessary immersion just doesn't happen. The Baltimore Mockingbirds? No immersion factor. The Baltimore Orioles? Instant immersion. Instant history. Instant memory associations.

Exodor · 02-28-2011, 10:11 AM

Historical.

I only play one league - the same one I've been playing since... OOTP8?. I started in 1969 as the Royals and play out every third game.

I'm about to win the 2004 AL Central. My Royals have had a bit more success recently than the MLB Royals.

Once I catch up to modern day I'll let the league slowly become fictional with ~40 years of MLB history.

EvilGenius · 02-28-2011, 11:18 AM

Straight up fictitious league. I like sticking teams in out of the way places, like Anchorage Alaska and Tiajuana Mexico (where the girls come easy and the knock off steroids come cheap). Also, I don't have expectations about players when the name is random. So if my prized pitching prospect tanks, well, that happens. I don't get upset because his name is Strasburg and he's "supposed" to be the next phenom. I found real players distracted me and I ended up finding myself less immersed instead of more (if that makes any sense).

Though I've been toying with the idea of adding historical leagues into my existing universe. I just like the idea of some team picking up Don Drysdale for the stretch run and now I have to face him twice in a short series in the playoffs.

DDover · 02-28-2011, 11:57 AM

Real life MLB - always as the Astros. I can't make'em win either!

endgame · 02-28-2011, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

Like some others here I need that framework of reality. Without it the necessary immersion just doesn't happen. The Baltimore Mockingbirds? No immersion factor. The Baltimore Orioles? Instant immersion. Instant history. Instant memory associations.

I can't argue the contention that reality-based immersion occurs more quickly with MLB rosters and/or historicals. I will add that the transition to fictional immersion takes place more quickly than one may think, however. I only have to look to the forums and realize that over time I've come to an appreciation of the players, their roles and personalities: cephasjames, The Wolf, BusterKing, PSUColonel, and others; all a fiction of sorts, but in no way lacking immersion. At this point, the realities would only interfere with the fictional comparisons. The imagined becomes the reality of preference.

The Wolf · 02-28-2011, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by endgame

the transition to fictional immersion takes place more quickly than one may think

It never really happens for me. Count yourself lucky.

kckid4u · 02-28-2011, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BadluckinOOTP

I've tried to start straight fictional, but I have trouble becoming "immersed" in it, right from the start.

I hear what you're saying. That can be a problem. I found that to be true also, but only when I just take over a fictional team without having any input into how they were built. What I like to do with fictional games is do a opening draft to start out. That way all the players in my organization were hand picked to play the style I want to play and I also like to draft guys with good work ethics and personalities. (Example: Draft great fielding infielders and pitchers with pitches that result a lot of ground balls. Or power hitting left handers in my park with a short right field fence.)

Now, if you're not excited about doing a fictional league now after reading my thoughts on it, there's something wrong with you.

kckid4u · 02-28-2011, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Exodor

Historical.
My Royals have had a bit more success recently than the MLB Royals.

Yeah, a turtle with a sunburn could have better success running the Royals than the real life counterparts have.

I'm from Kansas City, so my frustration has run for over 25 years now. Every time the Royals find a great player, like our latest Cy Young winner, ownership ships him off just as soon as they can. I can just hear that conservation. "He won the Cy Young! Who does that SOB think he is? Trade his butt, and I mean right now!"

endgame · 02-28-2011, 01:41 PM

Another distinction that is seldom mentioned, if it ever has been, is some game owners know baseball, know the real players, historical or not and are entitled to feel comfort in managing personnel with which they literally have histories, as The Wolf noted.

On the other hand, I'm sure there are numerous game owners who may wish they were fans of real baseball, knew the real players, etc... but gain their fulfillment from simply being managers, or GMs; just manipulating the talent pool and proving their personnel skills. For them, it's less about who's-done-what than it is what-can-I-do. Many of us, like kckid4u said, develop those leagues from scratch and build our teams around our own philosophies, thus creating our own teams and the success of those choices end up being a direct reflection of our management skills, tangible or intuitive, rather than a reflection of how well we manage established talents with well-known names.

Just as real-life eventually becomes fictional so, in a sense, fictional becomes real life, at least with respect to managing known factors in much the same way as players of present renown. Eventually, the future Hall-of-Famers are known to us, too. And we're just as disappointed when he suddenly hits 15 HR instead of the 30+ that, "historically", we would have expected.

Funny game, isn't it? We're more the same than we realize, IMHO. What I do agree with, wholeheartedly, is that any of these areas would make drastic headway if they were the only areas focused upon. Markus' balancing act has been oddly successful. While I don't play historicals or use real rosters, I know that the clientele who do are important to his gains and the future of the game. Consequently, they're important to me, just less so.

JackRules1 · 02-28-2011, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by endgame

Just as real-life eventually becomes fictional so, in a sense, fictional becomes real life, at least with respect to managing known factors in much the same way as players of present renown.

You hit the nail on the head. For me, I've tried modern MLB, but too many preconceived notions made it unrealistic for me. My fictional league is in it's 37th season and I look forward to each new season.

I love MLB and watch the MLB channel every night to get the latest news. So my fictional league is not a result of any lack of interest/knowledge in MLB. More of a compliment to that interest, I think.

UKRedSox · 02-28-2011, 02:04 PM

Single Player - real MLB

Online Leagues - leaning more and more to fictional (teams and players)

View Poll Results: How do you play OOTP?
Mostly historical leagues	41	14.70%
Mostly modern, real-life MLB	69	24.73%
Mostly fictional leagues	152	54.48%
Other (please comment)	17	6.09%
Voters: 279. You may not vote on this poll

02-28-2011, 06:04 AM	#22
BadluckinOOTP All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: OKC Posts: 1,534	Start with modern which becomes fictional before too long. I've tried to start straight fictional, but I have trouble becoming "immersed" in it, right from the start. So, the real players to start off with gives me a great jumping off point. __________________

02-28-2011, 08:40 AM	#26
AirmenSmith Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Kalispell, MT Posts: 2,094	I'm actually suprised by the results as of now. I thought it would be a smaller gap between fictional and MLB. I wonder if some of the fictional votes are from ppl that play MLB but keep playing to where it is fictional after 15-20 years. __________________ Come join me on my Twitch Channel for gaming at its excellence Twitch Link

02-28-2011, 08:47 AM	#28
cephasjames Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 8,736	Straight fictional or fictional based off of history. I tried historical a few times but I could never get past real players not performing how they do in real life. Just like someone experiencing real history (rather than looking back on it) I like the actual players creating names for themselves. __________________ 5000+ Generic Logos Free for the Taking FREE: Uniforms and logos for 500+ teams spanning 1871-present Great Lakes League: 10 Conferences, 100 Teams Pre-OOTP 23 Custom Cap & Jersey Template v3.0 by Deft and NoPepper (with layers from other various artists) that I use: Caps, Jerseys

02-28-2011, 11:57 AM	#33
DDover Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Cypress, TX, USA Posts: 42	Astros! Real life MLB - always as the Astros. I can't make'em win either!

02-28-2011, 03:44 AM	#21
kckid4u All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Pictured Above: Buck Barnett - Best Pitcher in OOTP History! Posts: 957	I just seem to play with myself mostly.

02-28-2011, 10:11 AM	#31
Exodor Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 481	Historical. I only play one league - the same one I've been playing since... OOTP8?. I started in 1969 as the Royals and play out every third game. I'm about to win the 2004 AL Central. My Royals have had a bit more success recently than the MLB Royals. Once I catch up to modern day I'll let the league slowly become fictional with ~40 years of MLB history.

02-28-2011, 11:18 AM	#32
EvilGenius Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 153	Straight up fictitious league. I like sticking teams in out of the way places, like Anchorage Alaska and Tiajuana Mexico (where the girls come easy and the knock off steroids come cheap). Also, I don't have expectations about players when the name is random. So if my prized pitching prospect tanks, well, that happens. I don't get upset because his name is Strasburg and he's "supposed" to be the next phenom. I found real players distracted me and I ended up finding myself less immersed instead of more (if that makes any sense). Though I've been toying with the idea of adding historical leagues into my existing universe. I just like the idea of some team picking up Don Drysdale for the stretch run and now I have to face him twice in a short series in the playoffs.

02-28-2011, 01:41 PM	#38
endgame Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 16,842	Another distinction that is seldom mentioned, if it ever has been, is some game owners know baseball, know the real players, historical or not and are entitled to feel comfort in managing personnel with which they literally have histories, as The Wolf noted. On the other hand, I'm sure there are numerous game owners who may wish they were fans of real baseball, knew the real players, etc... but gain their fulfillment from simply being managers, or GMs; just manipulating the talent pool and proving their personnel skills. For them, it's less about who's-done-what than it is what-can-I-do. Many of us, like kckid4u said, develop those leagues from scratch and build our teams around our own philosophies, thus creating our own teams and the success of those choices end up being a direct reflection of our management skills, tangible or intuitive, rather than a reflection of how well we manage established talents with well-known names. Just as real-life eventually becomes fictional so, in a sense, fictional becomes real life, at least with respect to managing known factors in much the same way as players of present renown. Eventually, the future Hall-of-Famers are known to us, too. And we're just as disappointed when he suddenly hits 15 HR instead of the 30+ that, "historically", we would have expected. Funny game, isn't it? We're more the same than we realize, IMHO. What I do agree with, wholeheartedly, is that any of these areas would make drastic headway if they were the only areas focused upon. Markus' balancing act has been oddly successful. While I don't play historicals or use real rosters, I know that the clientele who do are important to his gains and the future of the game. Consequently, they're important to me, just less so. __________________ "Try again. Fail again. Fail better." -- Samuel Beckett _____________________________________________

02-28-2011, 02:04 PM	#40
UKRedSox Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cumbria/Isle of Wight, England Posts: 416	Single Player - real MLB Online Leagues - leaning more and more to fictional (teams and players)