Just wanted to say "Thanks", but...

[1998 Yankees]

Originally Posted by BusterKing

If you love this game so much, did it ever occurred to you that by making this thread that you might actually HURT Markus sales for OOTP12?

I personally think that it was a selfish act to do so. All you had to do was to send him a pm. No need to make this kind of thread... really!

Well, as others have said, this is a way to get what you want out of the game. A PM can be ignored unless it comes from the "inner circle." A persistent thread like this and others clamoring for things like league associations and customizable playoffs get results. I'm sure you have seen that happen.

[cephasjames]

Originally Posted by BusterKing

If you love this game so much, did it ever occurred to you that by making this thread that you might actually HURT Markus sales for OOTP12?

I personally think that it was a selfish act to do so. All you had to do was to send him a pm. No need to make this kind of thread... really!

I'm just one person. Have others come into this thread and said they aren't going to buy the game too? Yes. But every person that's posted in here saying that had already made that decision, based off of what I've read. I highly doubt I'm influencing many (if any) people to not buy the game.

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

Well, as others have said, this is a way to get what you want out of the game. A PM can be ignored unless it comes from the "inner circle." A persistent thread like this and others clamoring for things like league associations and customizable playoffs get results. I'm sure you have seen that happen.

I'm not in the "inner circle" and Markus answers all of my PM's.

Unless I've missed something, where is a list of all the features in version 12?

These threads are always started by those who aren't getting what they want feature wise in the game. By posting a thread like this, the hope is the developer sees the thread and then posts, "you'll be happy as I just finished coding x feature"

To each his own.. version 11 is the first version I've seriously played since 6.51, but I purchase each year to support Markus and what I believe is the best text sim on the market. There are things every year I would like to see, but don't.. BUT as the years go by, things I've wanted in the past find their way into the game.

I hope you get what you want cephasjames.. they do say the squeaky wheel gets the grease

I still believe if you are lucky enough to have a good paying job, you should always support these text sim developers like Markus, Shaun, Jim, Gary, Arlie, etc...

[tejdog1]

Uh... did I miss the part where James said he would be telling all his friends/anyone he can to STAY AWAY FROM OOTP12!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by cephasjames

I will verbally support this product to anyone who is looking at buying it. I will try to get every one my baseball crazy friends to buy it.

Oh cool. He never said that. Kay. So why are all of your knickers in a twist, again?

[Eugene Church]

Originally Posted by BusterKing

So lets say that we all take that stance, 100% of the customers and Markus releases a new version and actually doesn't sell one copy. Do you think he would make another release or would it be the end of the road for this game?

That's the way I see it. I love this game and the only way I can support it where it really counts is by letting my money do the talking.

I bought every version of this game and will continue to do so. Regardless if my own requirements are met or not.

In my books, it is a wise investment to keep this great OOTP series going.

Agree with you.

[Chicagofan76]

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

I'm not in the "inner circle" and Markus answers all of my PM's.

He doesnt answer mine

ur special

[Vinny P.]

Originally Posted by david limbaugh

As someone who has bought every version since 5 or so I am leaning to agreeing with you. I have asked for two things for several years now.

1) Ability to change the number of innings per game and have era based on that.

2) Configurable playoffs.

Why do I need these things? To simulate college baseball and its postseason.

I have never understood why it would be difficult to let us 'edit' the schedule for the post-season like we can the regular season.

Unfortunately for you, though, this game is first and foremost, a professional baseball game. ll pro leagues have 9 innings. Even college ball plays 9. Hell, even high school plays 9 innings. Unless, of course, the mercy rule comes into effect. So really, asking for customizable number of innings is kind of pointless, unless you want to simulate Little League or something.

I also don't think that customizable playoffs is that big a deal either, since once again, this game is first and foremost, a professional baseball simulation. Yeah, it's cool enough that we can have feeder leagues. But the main focus is on the pro leagues, not the feeders.

[Vinny P.]

Originally Posted by cephasjames

I am not campaigning anything. I am stating why I am not buying the game. I have not once asked others to not buy the game. I have not once asked others to state whether they will or will not buy the game. I have in fact spoken very highly of OOTP and Markus and Co. On the OOTP 11 forum I even strongly encouraged someone new to the game to buy both 11 and 12 because 11 is awesome and 12 will be better. But since 12 will not have what I'm looking I'm not going to buy it - and this is how I'm choosing to tell Markus. This is a forum where I have the fortunate privilege of being able to do just that.

p.s. I received free copies because I was on the beta team. It was Markus and Company's choice to hand out free copies to beta testers, not mine. And at one point I even suggested that they not do that anymore. But I'm not on beta this year so I don't know how that's being handled.

yeah, I think I was one of the ones that started a thread about expressing my concerns to Markus about handing out free copies over on the OOTP 11 beta forum.

[Cornelius McGillicuddy]

It's threads like this that give Markus an idea what features are important enough to implement. If there are several in agreement I think he would give it serious thought. In the last year I started 3-4 threads asking about the pbp save feature. It's important to me. Luckily several people joined in and agreed so we're getting it.

Besides that I'm appalled at how many people are quick to tell others how to spend their money. For many ver 11 or 10 or whatever might be good enough and they might not have the extra $ for something they really don't need.

[Queensryche]

Originally Posted by Chicagofan76

I will try to be nice so bare with me...How freaking cheap r u?

You think EA is gonna give anyone a discount for buying every version
of Madden? I had version 1 thru 2008? until they stopped making it for PC.
OOTP is about making money along with making a great game. $10 is more then far. I myself if/when I buy 12 will either pay full price or wait til the 4th of july sale which i doubt i will wait that long.

Can u find a PS3 or Xbox game for under $60 these days?

Games that try skipping a yr to come back witha better version 2 yrs form now get forgotten about ala HH2k6 never happened they went bankrupt trying to overhaul High Heat and ran out of money with no other income.

They have improved the AI each yr as they should I had version 5 & 6 and they r crap compared to 8 & 11

How cheap am I? I've bought every single version of Out of the Park. I'm 28 years old and I'm retired. I'll just say I HAVE the money. That doesn't mean I just spend it on things I don't need. From what I've seen, you just seem to be one of those guys who defends anything OOTP related. Every forum has these people, it's the fanboys who absolutely see no other side but "OMG this game is amazing!!" even when it flies in the face of common sense.

I have no problem with that, but don't give me crap because I choose not to buy a hardly updated game for full price just because it's OOTP.

10 bucks? Are you being serious or just quoting the price that you'd pay for v12?

I'd pay $10 for OOTP12, no more. Now if I didn't own OOTP11, then I would gladly pay full price, but since I do own OOTP11, there is no way to justify paying anything over 10 bucks for the update.

Now you're making no sense.

Are you too young to remember map packs for RTS games like Warcraft?
They would release disks of just maps for RTS games and charge money for them even though it really didn't add a whole lot to the game, just more maps.

Nothing to warrant a full purchase. It makes perfect sense, maybe you're just too young.

Isn't it quite possible that the AI actually IS improved with each version/patch? Why not list that if its true?

Good grief Mr Fanboy, I said in the post I had no problem with it, I just got a chuckle out of it. My God I see the rabid fanboys are still here, jump all over people for even the littlest things.

[Vinny P.]

Originally Posted by BusterKing

If you love this game so much, did it ever occurred to you that by making this thread that you might actually HURT Markus sales for OOTP12?

I personally think that it was a selfish act to do so. All you had to do was to send him a pm. No need to make this kind of thread... really!

Come on now. Be fair to CJ. He's a big contributor to the game, and promotes it more than 90% of the people on these forums. He'll tell every single n00b who has just recently run into OOTP that they certainly should buy OOTP 11, and 12. He even said taht earlier in this thread.

And the OP was quite respectful, with praise towards Markus and Co. despite his not wanting to purchase OOTP 12.

I'll take LGO's bet that he will cave and purchase the game anyway!

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by Chicagofan76

He doesnt answer mine

ur special

He doesn't like Chicago fans.

[Vinny P.]

Originally Posted by Queensryche

How cheap am I? I've bought every single version of Out of the Park. I'm 28 years old and I'm retired. I'll just say I HAVE the money. That doesn't mean I just spend it on things I don't need. From what I've seen, you just seem to be one of those guys who defends anything OOTP related. Every forum has these people, it's the fanboys who absolutely see no other side but "OMG this game is amazing!!" even when it flies in the face of common sense.

A bit OT here, but....your retired at the age of 28!? What the hell man? Even if you served in the military there's no way you should be retired. Unless you like inherited millions of dolalrs or something. Even then, I couldn't imagine wanting to "retire." lol.

I have no problem with that, but don't give me crap because I choose not to buy a hardly updated game for full price just because it's OOTP.

"Hardly updated?" Ummm.....They release at least 2 or 3 major patches after release, and a whole slew of minor patches, before starting the next installment of OOTP......

I'd pay $10 for OOTP12, no more. Now if I didn't own OOTP11, then I would gladly pay full price, but since I do own OOTP11, there is no way to justify paying anything over 10 bucks for the update.

Not hating on your decision to not want to purchase a new version of the game, but $10 for a game that includes many, many new features? Come on man! Aint no way in hell selling a new version for $10 is even going to cover the cost of the overhead. I might remind you, these new OOTP versions are not just simply "RTS Map Pack releases." The new OOTP versions always contain better AI, several major new features, and a whole slew of new minor features. Plus, the killing of many bugs.

Are you too young to remember map packs for RTS games like Warcraft?
They would release disks of just maps for RTS games and charge money for them even though it really didn't add a whole lot to the game, just more maps.

Nothing to warrant a full purchase. It makes perfect sense, maybe you're just too young.



Good grief Mr Fanboy, I said in the post I had no problem with it, I just got a chuckle out of it. My God I see the rabid fanboys are still here, jump all over people for even the littlest things.

Please, leave the personal insults out of this. This thread has been quite civil, up until this post.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by Vinny P.

Unfortunately for you, though, this game is first and foremost, a professional baseball game. ll pro leagues have 9 innings.

Not entirely correct. In the minors, doubleheaders have been structured by rule to involve a 9-inning game followed by a 7-inning game. Some leagues opted to play a doubleheader as two 7-inning games.

Personally, I'd like to see that as an option under the league rule settings.

[Queensryche]

Originally Posted by Vinny P.

A bit OT here, but....your retired at the age of 28!? What the hell man? Even if you served in the military there's no way you should be retired. Unless you like inherited millions of dolalrs or something. Even then, I couldn't imagine wanting to "retire." lol.

I inherited quite a bit of money, and then invested 90% of it, and I live off the interest. Lets just say I was easily able to retire for the rest of my life. I pretty much just play golf 3 or 4 days a week.



"Hardly updated?" Ummm.....They release at least 2 or 3 major patches after release, and a whole slew of minor patches, before starting the next installment of OOTP......

None of the updates are major enough to upgrade from 11 right now. If they release a patch that adds a major feature that gets me interested, then I'll buy it, but right now, I read the bulletpoints when I got the e-mail about pre-ordering in January and was like "meh"



Not hating on your decision to not want to purchase a new version of the game, but $10 for a game that includes many, many new features? Come on man! Aint no way in hell selling a new version for $10 is even going to cover the cost of the overhead. I might remind you, these new OOTP versions are not just simply "RTS Map Pack releases." The new OOTP versions always contain better AI, several major new features, and a whole slew of new minor features. Plus, the killing of many bugs.

Many,many new features??? Huh? I wouldn't call things like financial system improvements/etc new features. Again, listen to what I'm saying. I'm saying that for someone who owns OOTP11, OOTP12 does not feel like a $40 upgrade. If someone owns anything prior to OOTP11, then I would say it's 100% worth it, but for people who own OOTP11, I just can't see why I would want to spend 40 bucks on it. Maybe others feel like the feature list is enough to warrant 40 bucks, if so, God bless, but not for me, and it pisses me off when people jump on people who don't think it's worth it. The OP posted a topic praising OOTP and nicely said why he didn't feel like it's worth it this time around, and instantly he's got people taking shots at it.





Please, leave the personal insults out of this. This thread has been quite civil, up until this post.

There were no personal insults in my posts, only obvious observations. You either fall into one of the three categories:

1.Fanboy - defending anything about OOTP no matter what, to the death.
2.Neutral - just voices his opinion about the game for what fits him best.
3.Hater - slams any and all things having to do with OOTP

I'm in the neutral zone. I've been here for the evolution of this series, and I love the game, but I also have no loyalty to any game. If another baseball sim comes out that's better than OOTP, I'll be buying that one instead.

Fanboys are fanboys, and I just call it as I see it, and I see quite a few fanboys attacking the OP and now myself out of that knee jerk reaction to defend the game at all costs.

I have responded with bolded above.

[EMSoccerCoach]

Originally Posted by robc

I'm not exactly sure why some people get on others' cases when they say they may not buy a version. Nobody knows anyone elses financial situation. If you have the money and want to support Markus even though the feature list isn't that appealing to you that is great. You want to help the long term viability of a game you enjoy. Others may have different priorities than you. After all this is a business and not a charity.

I was tempted not to preorder, but I did. For me the improved AI could be the biggest feature. Of course I am sceptical about how improved it will be and eventually my patience will run out for the bad moves the AI makes, but I am not there yet. To me OOTP is a good game and worth the $30, but I wouldn't buy it out of charity.

I didn't buy 11 but will probably buy this one. Then I'll likely skip 13 and buy 14.

[robc]

Originally Posted by BusterKing

If you love this game so much, did it ever occurred to you that by making this thread that you might actually HURT Markus sales for OOTP12?

I personally think that it was a selfish act to do so. All you had to do was to send him a pm. No need to make this kind of thread... really!

First, let me start with the positive. You have a lot of good posts and I agree with many of the issues you bring up. You are vocal about what you perceive as problems with the game and that is good.

If you are concerned about costing Markus sales, why did you make the below statements in a public forum where prospective buyers can see them? They are surely more harmful to sales then the OP's respectful post praising OOTP. So I say to you, if you love the game so much why didn't you PM Markus with these issues instead of posting them in the forum? My guess is that you wanted to be heard in a public forum to express your opinions, maybe hoping to garner public support for items you find important. Not too different from the OP wanting to express his opinion on the importance of these features to him. I don't have a problem with any of your statements below, but your complaint about the OP seems a little hypocritical.

Here are some quotes from your posts (links included in case anyone cares about the context of the quotes):
1) Nice bump but in deaf ears. Swept under the carpet like many other bugs that re-appears in every version, yet never fixed.
2) It has become an OOTP ritual to move on to a new version instead of fixing the present version to perfection. It's all about money.
3) Wow, that's $20 more then what we are paying right now. Almost a 100% price increase. Well, good luck with that Markus.
4) Another bug that goes unfixed and we just move on to version 11 has if it never existed. And I'm willing to bet that it will still be in the new version. There's no reason why we should turn off injuries to bypass a bug. This glitch has been mentioned before and like many others just ignored.

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ml#post2859119
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ml#post2814805
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ml#post2910131
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ml#post2898985

[Vinny P.]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Not entirely correct. In the minors, doubleheaders have been structured by rule to involve a 9-inning game followed by a 7-inning game. Some leagues opted to play a doubleheader as two 7-inning games.

Personally, I'd like to see that as an option under the league rule settings.

Double-headers are few and far between anyway.

While it might be a "neat" little option to use, not sure if it merits using valuable development time, unless it can be done fairly quickly and easily easily.

[mm7607]

Why do people get so bent out of shape if someone says they wont buy this version and explains the reasons? My decision to not buy the game has NOTHING to do with money. I am just tired of continuing to put money into every version that ignores some features I want. This new version has nothing new for the way I play it. If 13 is what I want I would be happy spending $75 or more. But this current version list has nothing I'm interested in and some I don't want. MORE freaking news stories for one. When the complete list comes out then I will decide but right now I'm out.

Also I totally disagree with the person who said threads like this was bad for the game. I think it gives Markus an idea of how his costumers feel.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by Vinny P.

Double-headers are few and far between anyway.

That's not the case in the minors. Especially in earlier years.