Wife and kids coming back!

[Muzamba]

Originally Posted by Hotwheelz

2 things people at these boards do not like. New members that are not as knowledgeable as the rest of us and people who recommend features that the majority regards as not being worth it. I can definitely see why people would not take part in these forums. The elitist attitude around here really takes away from the community feel. For such an amazing game thats very sad.

Sadly, something tells me many of these people probably have the same attitudes towards others in their everyday life, as well.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by Hotwheelz

2 things people at these boards do not like. New members that are not as knowledgeable as the rest of us and people who recommend features that the majority regards as not being worth it. I can definitely see why people would not take part in these forums. The elitist attitude around here really takes away from the community feel. For such an amazing game thats very sad.

Don't let it stop you. The vast majority of posters IMO don't act that way. When the few do, I ignore them or poke them into apoplexy.

[ukhotstove]

Originally Posted by Hotwheelz

2 things people at these boards do not like. New members that are not as knowledgeable as the rest of us and people who recommend features that the majority regards as not being worth it. I can definitely see why people would not take part in these forums. The elitist attitude around here really takes away from the community feel. For such an amazing game thats very sad.

But that's life, not everybody is helpfull. I would say the vast majority on the OOTP boards are more than happy to help a newbie or somebody who is stuck with a problem game wise even life wise, I'd go so far as to say whenever I've asked for any help there as always been somebody willing to help, yes some haven't been helpfull but their in the minority and far outweighed by the good people on the boards.

[Hotwheelz]

I agree. And to be honest it doesn't stop me from posting what I want to post, whether its popular or not.

And yes, the majority of the boards are very helpful. However, the vocal majority who greet these new posters or posters with ideas outside the norm are usually very rough. Its the first impression that does the most damage unfortunately.

Anyway, I was just making an observation. I love the game and will continue to speak my opinion whether its popular or not. I have better things to worry about than those who are immature and narrow minded lol

[fhomess]

I've been trained to only speak my wife's opinion.

[Hotwheelz]

Originally Posted by fhomess

I've been trained to only speak my wife's opinion.

I know the feeling lol

[robc]

I haven't read all the comments in this thread, so I don't know if any of them were rude.

I think it is ok for people to post dissenting opinions about a feature request. The OP stated he wishes the wife and kid elements were added back into the game. It is perfectly fine for him to state that and try to make it happen. Those that agree may show their support and post their agreement in the thread.

But it is also ok for people who don't like that feature to say so. The dissenters also have a right to try and influence the game's direction. If the dissenters are quiet they run the risk of Markus thinking the 'wife and kids' feature is a popular one. Hopefully everyone is respectful of each other because this is all just a matter of opinion.

PS - My wife approves this message.

[kckid4u]

Originally Posted by robc

I can't say this would be of any interest to me, but if others find it fun and is optional then it's no big deal.

I think if anything, being able to set our own pinch hitters is a little more important than Markus spending time with something like this that has ZERO value to actual game play.

[kckid4u]

Originally Posted by Hotwheelz

I know the feeling lol

When did you meet his wife?

[robc]

Originally Posted by kckid4u

I think if anything, being able to set our own pinch hitters is a little more important than Markus spending time with something like this that has ZERO value to actual game play.

From my perspective, I agree with you. The wife / kid feature has no value to me and probably almost any feature or bug fix would be more worth while in my eyes. But if there are enough people who would value the wife / kid feature then I am ok with it being added. To me the baseball card feature doesn't have any value but there seem to be quite a few people who like it so it doesn't bug me that it was added.

[AirmenSmith]

Originally Posted by Hotwheelz

2 things people at these boards do not like. New members that are not as knowledgeable as the rest of us and people who recommend features that the majority regards as not being worth it. I can definitely see why people would not take part in these forums. The elitist attitude around here really takes away from the community feel. For such an amazing game thats very sad.

So what I gather from this is the features you want are more important then the ones I or other ppl want. I personally would have this feature over added over a lot of other stuff. Any historical improvements are useless to me because I play current day leagues. Any online features are useless to me because I play solo. I would add the wife and kids feature over anything dealing with those.

Also don't dare say you speak for the majority of ootp users. This thread has 3 pages, so if that is the majority then I don't know how Markus can keep making this game with such a small fan base.

To me its ppl like you that would turn ppl off of this forum. Saying other ppls opinions don't matter or saying that new ppl to the boards don't matter. Have you ever gone to the newbie forum to ever help ppl or do you just say screw them because they are new?

Everyone has there own opinions on what they want added to the game and we can agree or disagree with it but to say you speak for the majority, when you clearly don't, is an elitist attitude.

In the end its all up to Markus, he obviously liked the feature before so if he wants it in his game then so be it. I'll buy the game with or without it no matter what.

Anyways when ITP2 comes out maybe this feature can be in that game

[AirmenSmith]

Originally Posted by robc

From my perspective, I agree with you. The wife / kid feature has no value to me and probably almost any feature or bug fix would be more worth while in my eyes. But if there are enough people who would value the wife / kid feature then I am ok with it being added. To me the baseball card feature doesn't have any value but there seem to be quite a few people who like it so it doesn't bug me that it was added.

See this is how I would love to see posts, he disagrees with it but is nice about it.

I agree the baseball card feature does need more love. I was happy about this feature last year and I hope it can only be improved.

[mm7607]

I would accept any feature as long as its easy to turn on or off. The more features, the more people would be interested. An example is the online feature. I never use it but imagine how many people wouldn't buy the game if it wasn't an option? I just wish it had more options in the categories I want.

[CD1083]

Originally Posted by AirmenSmith

So what I gather from this is the features you want are more important then the ones I or other ppl want. I personally would have this feature over added over a lot of other stuff. Any historical improvements are useless to me because I play current day leagues. Any online features are useless to me because I play solo. I would add the wife and kids feature over anything dealing with those.

Also don't dare say you speak for the majority of ootp users. This thread has 3 pages, so if that is the majority then I don't know how Markus can keep making this game with such a small fan base.

To me its ppl like you that would turn ppl off of this forum. Saying other ppls opinions don't matter or saying that new ppl to the boards don't matter. Have you ever gone to the newbie forum to ever help ppl or do you just say screw them because they are new?

Everyone has there own opinions on what they want added to the game and we can agree or disagree with it but to say you speak for the majority, when you clearly don't, is an elitist attitude.

In the end its all up to Markus, he obviously liked the feature before so if he wants it in his game then so be it. I'll buy the game with or without it no matter what.

Anyways when ITP2 comes out maybe this feature can be in that game

I'm going to go ahead and come to Hotwheelz' defense on this one because the post you are quoting was his first in this thread and doesnt' support anything you are saying.

He made an observations on the response from your initial post.

By the looks of it people agree with the sentiment.

This board does have an elitist tone from a select minority. Just because it's the minority doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

His issue is not against those who disagree with the suggestion but the complete dismissal some give in such a rude way.

There is nothing wrong with disgreeing with a suggested feature. But leave it at that. Like I responded with prior, there is a 9 page thread that was closed because of the type of attitude Hotwheelz was referring to.

All you do by your post is prove his point.

"To me its ppl like you that would turn ppl off of this forum. Saying other ppls opinions don't matter or saying that new ppl to the boards don't matter. Have you ever gone to the newbie forum to ever help ppl or do you just say screw them because they are new?"

However after reading this comment alone leads me to believe you didn't pick up on the dripping observational sarcasm of his post....

[RchW]

Originally Posted by AirmenSmith

So what I gather from this is the features you want are more important then the ones I or other ppl want. I personally would have this feature over added over a lot of other stuff. Any historical improvements are useless to me because I play current day leagues. Any online features are useless to me because I play solo. I would add the wife and kids feature over anything dealing with those.

Also don't dare say you speak for the majority of ootp users. This thread has 3 pages, so if that is the majority then I don't know how Markus can keep making this game with such a small fan base.

To me its ppl like you that would turn ppl off of this forum. Saying other ppls opinions don't matter or saying that new ppl to the boards don't matter. Have you ever gone to the newbie forum to ever help ppl or do you just say screw them because they are new?

Everyone has there own opinions on what they want added to the game and we can agree or disagree with it but to say you speak for the majority, when you clearly don't, is an elitist attitude.

In the end its all up to Markus, he obviously liked the feature before so if he wants it in his game then so be it. I'll buy the game with or without it no matter what.

Anyways when ITP2 comes out maybe this feature can be in that game

I think you misunderstood or misinterpreted his post.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by ukhotstove

But that's life, not everybody is helpfull. I would say the vast majority on the OOTP boards are more than happy to help a newbie or somebody who is stuck with a problem game wise even life wise, I'd go so far as to say whenever I've asked for any help there as always been somebody willing to help, yes some haven't been helpfull but their in the minority and far outweighed by the good people on the boards.

This is true, but a really awful idea is still a really awful idea and will always draw flak.

[Biggio509]

Originally Posted by UWHabs

It was a fun gimmick. Mostly, it was fun to watch your kids grow into mlb players, and to break up with the girlfriend (in-game) after a bad season.

I actually married someone by the name of my RL GF at the time divorced here the next year. Thought it might be prophesy so I dumped here. Just kidding about the prophesy part.

[Muzamba]

Originally Posted by RchW

I think you misunderstood or misinterpreted his post.

Yeah, I was under the impression that Hotwheelz was actually defending/supporting AirmenSmith. His post seemed to be aimed at those who were making - IMHO - unnecessarily derisive comments regarding AirmenSmith's suggestion. But maybe I missed something.

Anyway, I do think people should be more respectful when expressing their disinterest in others' feature requests. I'm not saying they should keep their thoughts to themselves, but there are ways of conveying your opinion in a way that doesn't mock the person suggesting it. The fact is, I have "less than zero interest" in many of the suggestions people post in this forum, but I don't feel the need to be negative toward their ideas. It's fine to say, "I'd personally prefer that more time be devoted to Feature X" or better yet, "I'm not sure that I would like that idea as you describe it, but perhaps we can discuss it and collectively come up with a way of implementing it that wouldn't divert time and resources away from the coding of other features and at the same time, would actually add something meaningful to the game." Novel concept: Constructive criticism.

I know there are those of you who think that your own personal OOTP irritant should be worthy of more attention than anyone else's, whether it be that legacy bug that "obviously should've been fixed years ago", or that obscure stat that isn't calculated, or that bench player from 1932 who always seems to hit 10 points higher than he did IRL in your historical replays, or those "stupid trades the AI makes", or that one seemingly simple little feature that Markus just refuses to add... But there's no excuse to be rude to others who don't happen to find your particular bugaboo as annoying as you do and are therefore more focused on other areas of OOTP that might make the game more enjoyable to them.

I'm not trying to be preachy here, because I know most of us are respectful to others in this forum. But as is the case with the rest of society, mean-spiritedness has a way of slowly creeping in and desensitizing us. Before we're even aware of it, we're all at each other's throats just because we don't agree on something. I just don't want to see a handful of negative comments set the tone for the rest of the forum.

I understand that people get frustrated, but that doesn't mean you can't be polite and civil to others.

[/soapbox]

[Markus Heinsohn]

Originally Posted by jaxmagicman

This is a funny thread, because when I am playing OOTP I want the wife and kids to go away.

*lol*

[fintach]

I just find it amazing that this issue seems to divide people so strongly. Maybe I've been skipping some threads (okay, probably), but I don't think I've seen such a complete division of opinion since the last time I read a graphics thread.

Immersion is a tricky thing to gauge for a game that primarily consists of text. If this helps some people get into the game, then I say great. I'll probably even try it, but I won't be shocked if I find myself turning it off again before spring training is over.

As for Markus' coding time, I imagine he's pretty good at setting his priorities. Look how many people love his game enough to fight over it.