How does this game get good ratings ??? - Page 2

actionjackson · 09-23-2010, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by CHCfan

I can only speak for myself, but I'm waiting for a perfect form of entertainment to come along before I allow myself to relax and have fun.

And as a long suffering (one would assume) Cubs fan (if that's what his handle means), this poster knows everything about waiting for the perfect form of entertainment, so I would definitely heed his advice here.

Antonin · 09-23-2010, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Killing Time

Really easily! 70% of the users don't care about bugs.

Oh, come now. That's not fair. Many of us just don't experience the things others have experienced. Some of us don't play historical leagues, some don't use scouts, some don't sim for 50 or more years before starting to actually control a team. Some don't care about certain stats that others care deeply about and see as broken.

And, to be honest, I've seen people label as "bugs" certain things that are either 1) part of real life baseball or 2) quirks of the game that impact few if any of the people who play the game.

I want everybody who buys this game to feel that they are getting their money's worth. But to say that "70% of the users don't care about bugs" isn't true and isn't fair.

Killing Time · 09-24-2010, 12:32 AM

Earned runs and RBI's are both bugged. 70% of users said in a poll that they don't want another patch anyway. What I said stands. 70% of users do not care about bugs.

SoCal Doug · 09-24-2010, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Killing Time

Earned runs and RBI's are both bugged

I have seen some posts on this - tell me, were they not bugged in the previous version? I don't recall ever seeing postings in previous editions. And if they were, does this mean that all the other PC games have these working correctly and only OOTP has it wrong?

And dare I ask what percentage of total rbi's that the bug affects? And how much will someone's ERA drop over a season?

damientheomen3 · 09-24-2010, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Killing Time

Earned runs and RBI's are both bugged. 70% of users said in a poll that they don't want another patch anyway. What I said stands. 70% of users do not care about bugs.

Because most users would like for Markus to have more time to work on OOTP 12 and maybe fix those bugs there instead of being slowed by having to make a new patch, it means that they don't care about bugs? My God, that's as ridiculous as polling 100 people on if they like swiss cheese, seeing 65% of them say no, and concluding that 65% of all people hate people from Switzerland.

spitfire · 09-24-2010, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by damientheomen3

Because most users would like for Markus to have more time to work on OOTP 12 and maybe fix those bugs there instead of being slowed by having to make a new patch, it means that they don't care about bugs?

The only difficulty with that is that those bugs were there in OOTPX. For whatever reason they weren't fixed in 11 (though I know Markus did get a number of others repaired). Beyond blind faith, what reason is there to think that they'll be fixed in 12? As said in another thread, the more new features that get added, the more difficult it may be to go back and recode areas of the game that need major work to be debugged. I think that's why folks would like to see the bugs dealt with BEFORE more new stuff is added in the next version. And as was also pointed out in that thread, new features need debugging of their own, which takes time away from repair of legacy bugs. I guess we can all go back and forth on this till the cows come home. Bottom line is that Markus is the only one who can tell us what he thinks about these particular legacy bugs and the chances of killing them, and Markus ain't talkin'!

Goody · 09-24-2010, 06:39 PM

Because it is good.

damientheomen3 · 09-24-2010, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by spitfire

The only difficulty with that is that those bugs were there in OOTPX. For whatever reason they weren't fixed in 11 (though I know Markus did get a number of others repaired). Beyond blind faith, what reason is there to think that they'll be fixed in 12? As said in another thread, the more new features that get added, the more difficult it may be to go back and recode areas of the game that need major work to be debugged. I think that's why folks would like to see the bugs dealt with BEFORE more new stuff is added in the next version. And as was also pointed out in that thread, new features need debugging of their own, which takes time away from repair of legacy bugs. I guess we can all go back and forth on this till the cows come home. Bottom line is that Markus is the only one who can tell us what he thinks about these particular legacy bugs and the chances of killing them, and Markus ain't talkin'!

The thing with legacy bugs is that we really don't know how it would affect the code. Who knows, maybe fixing the ER bugs cause a different stat bug or something that it very hard to avoid, and Markus still hasn't found a way to keep it from that. I'm not trying to blindly support OOTP, and I was very adamantly against OOTP11 early on because of the earlier bugs that were there, but I'm sort of defending Markus because it doesn't seem that anyone is on his side.

As far as not talking, that's probably the best route to go as a game developer. Why tell the community that you're working long and hard to fix specific bugs if there is the chance that, when ficed, they present new bugs? That'd just make most of the community more riled than we seem to be getting now with no word from Markus.

EDIT: That being said, I do agree with a statement made in a different thread that patches should focus only on fixing bugs and new features should only be added with new releases.

StyxNCa · 09-24-2010, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by damientheomen3

As far as not talking, that's probably the best route to go as a game developer. Why tell the community that you're working long and hard to fix specific bugs if there is the chance that, when ficed, they present new bugs? That'd just make most of the community more riled than we seem to be getting now with no word from Markus.

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Or admit he doesn't know how to fix them, which, as long as these things have been lingering, seems a lot closer to the truth.

Maybe he could hire Shaun Sullivan to be his communication person. He was always good at keeping the users of his game informed.

damientheomen3 · 09-24-2010, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by StyxNCa

Or admit he doesn't know how to fix them, which, as long as these things have been lingering, seems a lot closer to the truth.

Maybe he could hire Shaun Sullivan to be his communication person. He was always good at keeping the users of his game informed.

He just recently said on the puresim forum that he has a new major thing that popped up in his life and that he's done with puresim, and will probably make it open source.

StyxNCa · 09-24-2010, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by damientheomen3

He just recently said on the puresim forum that he has a new major thing that popped up in his life and that he's done with puresim, and will probably make it open source.

Maybe the new thing is communication director for OOTP.

canadiancreed · 09-24-2010, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by StyxNCa

Maybe the new thing is communication director for OOTP.

Being a developer sounds less stressful. Really would you want to try and keep this zoo happy?

StyxNCa · 09-24-2010, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by canadiancreed

Being a developer sounds less stressful. Really would you want to try and keep this zoo happy?

Well, God knows I try and try but alas................

SoCal Doug · 09-24-2010, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCal Doug

...does this mean that all the other PC games have these working correctly and only OOTP has it wrong?

...what percentage of total rbi's [does]... the bug affect...? And how much will someone's ERA drop over a season?

Don't forget to share a guestimate answer to the questions above.

Cryomaniac · 09-25-2010, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by damientheomen3

He just recently said on the puresim forum that he has a new major thing that popped up in his life and that he's done with puresim, and will probably make it open source.

Interesting. I've always said if Markus is ever done with OOTP he should make it open source.

Orcin · 09-25-2010, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by damientheomen3

He just recently said on the puresim forum that he has a new major thing that popped up in his life and that he's done with puresim, and will probably make it open source.

The latest is that Gary Gorski of Wolverine is going to take over the project and develop a version 4.

LFC1892 · 09-25-2010, 09:41 AM

Head back to EA sports if OOTP no longer suits.........

RchW · 09-25-2010, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by damientheomen3

He just recently said on the puresim forum that he has a new major thing that popped up in his life and that he's done with puresim, and will probably make it open source.

It might have something to do with the fact that it sold very poorly. At some point you have to pull the plug.

Leo_The_Lip · 09-25-2010, 12:01 PM

I don't let the lack of perfection prevent my enjoyment.

I am also grateful my wife has felt the same way about me for over 30 years.

damientheomen3 · 09-25-2010, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Orcin

The latest is that Gary Gorski of Wolverine is going to take over the project and develop a version 4.

Crap!!! Looks like another game that DDS: Pro Football will go onto the backburner for.

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Goody Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Korea Posts: 3,530	Because it is good.

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LFC1892 All Star Reserve Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Global Posts: 963	Head back to EA sports if OOTP no longer suits.........

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Leo_The_Lip All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,813	I don't let the lack of perfection prevent my enjoyment. I am also grateful my wife has felt the same way about me for over 30 years.