The OOTP E-Mail Survey: An On-line Subscription Service?

[Nutlaw]

I don't particularly need graphics, but there is no question that a certain segment of the gaming community won't play sports games that don't include on-field graphics. I know many such people.

They probably put this question to a poll by email rather than in the forums so that people with dissenting views weren't shouted down and berated. I imagine that the company is more interested in what the bulk of their customers want rather than what the loudest and rudest want...

[LeiterFanatic]

Isn;t the proposed online subscription thingy what eventually killed Diamond-Mind Baseball?

[Syd Thrift]

No, Tom Tippett no longer being associated with it is what killed Diamond Mind.

[Who Killed Kenny?]

Originally Posted by LeiterFanatic

Isn;t the proposed online subscription thingy what eventually killed Diamond-Mind Baseball?

Here is a post that I created a couple years ago about this OOTP Online thing. If what they are referring to in the email is the same that they had talked about then, then the online portion would be a complement to the regular OOTP and not a replacement for it or online leagues.

[Gambo]

Originally Posted by Nutlaw

I don't particularly need graphics, but there is no question that a certain segment of the gaming community won't play sports games that don't include on-field graphics. I know many such people.

They probably put this question to a poll by email rather than in the forums so that people with dissenting views weren't shouted down and berated. I imagine that the company is more interested in what the bulk of their customers want rather than what the loudest and rudest want...

This post reminded me of the OOTP11 review in PC Gamer. I know the game got an okay review but DAMN, the game pics they showed where some of the most boring ever...no detail... and they really hit the game hard for the limited graphics. I barely thought I was looking at the same game I have on my PC. The addons make a big difference.

I am in no way in favor of focusing primarily on graphics but OOTP is a business and something should be looked at if they want to spread into the "Gamer" market a bit.

[Aytumious]

Originally Posted by fspikec

I highly doubt it would be the current programmers doing the graphics if they were added. So minimal time lost. If anything, I think graphics would bring in more money and provide them more money to work on adding more immersion/features.

That is exactly my thought as well. Better on the field representation will lead to more sales, and therefore more money for future developments unrelated to graphics.

[Killing Time]

You console junkies are trying really hard to kill OOTP.

[Hooray Saturday]

I've probably spent more time playing OOTP than I have any other baseball game/sim....... been playing since OOTP3.... and I've played a lot of different baseball game/sims.... on my hard drive now I have OOTP 11, PC Replay, Mogul 11, PureSim, and Diamond Mind 10. All of these games are fun, addictive, and relatively immersing, and if any one of them were the only PC baseball simulation I could ever play, I could live with it.


However, no baseball game has captured my attention and sparked my excitement like Front Page Sports Baseball did back in the mid 90's.... and that was because the graphics were great and the stats were decent enough.

Before that it was Micro League.

All you'd need is Micro League level up to Front Page Sports level of graphics on top of OOTP's engine and you will have the greatest baseball game possible on any system on any platform, period. In my humble opinion, of course.

Like any other option, if you don't like it, turn it off.

[Malleus Dei]

I liked the graphics in Earl Weaver - especially the stuff that never got released - and I liked the graphics in High Heat. That said, I think graphics are a really, really bad idea for OOTP.

And Tom Tippett is with the Red Sox these days.

Boston Red Sox - Digitally enhanced - The Boston Globe

As a fellow Project Scoresheet alum, I'm really happy to see him doing so well.

[fspikec]

Originally Posted by Killing Time

You console junkies are trying really hard to kill OOTP.

Umm, I'm pretty sure graphics came 1st on PC. Also, I don't own a console. And I fail to see graphics as a death sentence. Heck, I'm not even wanting anything beyond what a sega genesis is capable of.

It's time to take off the tinfoil hat.

[StyxNCa]

Originally Posted by Aytumious

That is exactly my thought as well. Better on the field representation will lead to more sales, and therefore more money for future developments unrelated to graphics.

I reckon for kids these days graphics are all that matter. They don't have to know anything about the game as long as THE GRAPHICS RULE!!!

[Markus Heinsohn]

That online thing is a project which we will do in the future. It won't be something that replaces OOTP in its current form, or its online league capabilities. It'll rather be a basic, realistic, browser-based baseball simulation game which you can play for free but need to pay for advanced options. The goal is to get more people who like fantasy baseball attracted to baseball simulation games. Again, this will never ever replace OOTP in any way, but it will be something entirely different...

[Killing Time]

Originally Posted by fspikec

It's time to take off the tinfoil hat.

Yes, it is. And when you do so you will realize that this is a text strategy game. For people of intellect and imagination. Not console gamers.

[rudoggy]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

That online thing is a project which we will do in the future. It won't be something that replaces OOTP in its current form, or its online league capabilities. It'll rather be a basic, realistic, browser-based baseball simulation game which you can play for free but need to pay for advanced options. The goal is to get more people who like fantasy baseball attracted to baseball simulation games. Again, this will never ever replace OOTP in any way, but it will be something entirely different...

thanks for clarification.

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by Hooray Saturday

I've probably spent more time playing OOTP than I have any other baseball game/sim....... been playing since OOTP3.... and I've played a lot of different baseball game/sims.... on my hard drive now I have OOTP 11, PC Replay, Mogul 11, PureSim, and Diamond Mind 10. All of these games are fun, addictive, and relatively immersing, and if any one of them were the only PC baseball simulation I could ever play, I could live with it.


However, no baseball game has captured my attention and sparked my excitement like Front Page Sports Baseball did back in the mid 90's.... and that was because the graphics were great and the stats were decent enough.

Before that it was Micro League.

All you'd need is Micro League level up to Front Page Sports level of graphics on top of OOTP's engine and you will have the greatest baseball game possible on any system on any platform, period. In my humble opinion, of course.

Like any other option, if you don't like it, turn it off.

I like FPS and all but the thing you have to remember about it is that the stats the game generated were closely tied to the physics of the engine. It was a cool game, I agree, and I'd probably even still be playing it today if there was an updated version (that, for example, took plate discipline into account - strangely enough I think it *did* do the stuff addressed by DIPS). But it's a fundamentally different game than OOTP. And as much as I enjoyed Microleague and Earl Weaver Baseball, I think Markus and co. would actually make the game less popular with unitiated gamers by adding graphics of that level.

I do think that eventually some sort of graphics should probably be in there, but that point is not next year and not the year after either. Beyond that... well, lots of things could happen.

[thbroman]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

That online thing is a project which we will do in the future. It won't be something that replaces OOTP in its current form, or its online league capabilities. It'll rather be a basic, realistic, browser-based baseball simulation game which you can play for free but need to pay for advanced options. The goal is to get more people who like fantasy baseball attracted to baseball simulation games. Again, this will never ever replace OOTP in any way, but it will be something entirely different...

Oh, that's very interesting. A real spin-off, so to speak.

[bosunmate]

Originally Posted by Killing Time

Yes, it is. And when you do so you will realize that this is a text strategy game. For people of intellect and imagination. Not console gamers.

Well imagination for sure, intellect i'm not so sure about...

[fspikec]

Originally Posted by Killing Time

Yes, it is. And when you do so you will realize that this is a text strategy game. For people of intellect and imagination. Not console gamers.

I'm sorry, I thought this was a simulation, not a strategy game.

OOTP 11 is simply the best baseball simulation game ever, combining stunning realistic results with fun and challenging game play. Take over your favorite 2010 major league team, play any historical season from 1871 to 2009 in ultra-realistic replay mode or career mode, create your fictional baseball universe or join an online league for the ultimate challenge - it's all part of OOTP 11!

Maybe I'm missing the part where it says OOTP being text or a strategy game.

I love how you assume that graphics = no intellect or imagination. Or somehow wanting graphics equals a console gamer. Anything else you care to stereotype?

[Stats_Enthusiast]

I would love to be able to sim from 1871 to present day, doing a complete re-sim of the entire history of baseball and have EVERY SINGLE MLB transaction be accurate.

So after siming from 1871 to 1950, I don't go back to find Babe Ruth has played for the Braves, the Mets, etc.

This would be all transactions from the entire history of baseball... in the major leagues only.

[Stats_Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

That online thing is a project which we will do in the future. It won't be something that replaces OOTP in its current form, or its online league capabilities. It'll rather be a basic, realistic, browser-based baseball simulation game which you can play for free but need to pay for advanced options. The goal is to get more people who like fantasy baseball attracted to baseball simulation games. Again, this will never ever replace OOTP in any way, but it will be something entirely different...

I dig it... DUDE!