Does it sim/load/save/etc faster than OOTP 10?

bkotler · 04-03-2010, 10:19 PM

This is aimed for anyone in the know:

I briefly searched through threads already here but have not found this subject broached upon. As it states, I was wondering if OOTP 11 runs faster than OOTP 10.

From the time I would click into the program to the time that my league gets fully loaded, it's at a minimum a 5 minute process. During the game, I had so many times where it would bog down from things such as OSA scouting periods to just random days where OOTP 10 would say (Not Responding) but eventually (a couple to several minutes later) it would pull through.

I noticed I wasn't the only one encountering this, though I will admit my laptop doesn't run as well as it once did. It still gets the job done but runs OOTP 10 very slowly. This is a regular happening for me and has certainly knived into my enjoyment of the game so I was wondering if these processes have been sped up for the new version where I should encounter this less often, or at least with less lengthy waits.

If anyone out there is in the know, I'd love to get a heads up since I preordered when it first became available for the 2nd straight year. (Yeah, I've gotten sucked in though I miss Eastside Hockey Manager.) Just happy I don't have to wait 'til June this time around!!!!!! And the RTR series along with an exact release date are much improved over being in the dark for so many months last year. These are my only 2 experiences with OOTP.

Killing Time · 04-03-2010, 10:34 PM

If you get a faster processor, more memory and a faster hard drive I promise you that it will run faster.

ZouDave · 04-03-2010, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bkotler

This is aimed for anyone in the know:
From the time I would click into the program to the time that my league gets fully loaded, it's at a minimum a 5 minute process.

Good Lord, either your machine is way too slow or your league is way too big. I just tested on my machine, and it took 24 seconds from when I double-clicked OOTPX until the league home page of my league was loaded.

I have a pretty decent PC (Athlon 64 X2 dual core 6000+ with 4GB RAM running Win7) but it's not the top of the line by any stretch. I can't imagine it taking 10x longer to do that same process. That's crazy.

bkotler · 04-03-2010, 11:30 PM

That's a pretty obvious solution that unfortunately is not practical for someone living on temporary disability. I've got 2 GB RAM, a 1.90 GHz AMD Turion 64 X2 Processor on Windows Vista, etc. so, while it's not a beast, it's not terrible.

It shouldn't run as slow as it does, in my opinion. I have other graphics intensive games that run more smoothly with shorter load times. Thanks for the advice though. But I'm still wondering if the new version is made to run faster than OOTP 10.

(By the way, I run a 20-team league with 4 levels of minors and HS and college feeders. That's it.) And yes, I'm drooling right now at the thought of 24 seconds.

kq76 · 04-03-2010, 11:49 PM

I have a worse computer, a bigger league (except for the feeders) and my guess is my lg takes somewhere between 30-60 seconds to load. If your lg is honestly taking that 5 minutes to load then I'd recommend doing what you can to speed up your computer by just following some of the things in this thread.

2 other threads:
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...u-get-hit.html
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...r-machine.html

IMO your computer's hardware is plenty good enough as is OOTP's speed. You just need to give it a tune-up. Heck, the problem might even just be your fan needs cleaning. I need to clean out mine once every 6 months or so to keep it running fast.

battists · 04-03-2010, 11:58 PM

I believe it's slightly faster, but frankly, performance improvement hasn't been a huge focus this year.

It does seem strange that you're getting times that slow...

StyxNCa · 04-04-2010, 12:06 AM

Wow. That's an extremely long time. Even on my old dinosaur it didn't take OOTPX more than a minute to load, and I thought that was bad.

Markus Heinsohn · 04-04-2010, 03:39 AM

OOTP 11 sims about 10% faster, but save/load times are unchanged.

StyxNCa · 04-04-2010, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

OOTP 11 sims about 10% faster, but save/load times are unchanged.

So now it will take 27 seconds instead of 30. Gee, I need to find something to do with all the new found free time.

bkotler · 04-04-2010, 05:36 PM

I actually did a few things (about 20 minutes worth of stuff) last night after hearing your times were so much different and now it is loading in less than a minute and simming/saving more quickly as well. I guess I just got to the point where I was assuming it took that long to load until you all told me otherwise. And no more Not Responding freezes, knock on wood.

But thanks Markus for the input about 10% faster simming. Believe it or not, it adds up, because how often do you do something else while simming a week, forget that it's done simming and then come back to it a few minutes later than you otherwise would have. Now you never have to walk away. Not even for a crying kid.

StyxNCa · 04-04-2010, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bkotler

I actually did a few things (about 20 minutes worth of stuff) last night after hearing your times were so much different and now it is loading in less than a minute and simming/saving more quickly as well. I guess I just got to the point where I was assuming it took that long to load until you all told me otherwise. And no more Not Responding freezes, knock on wood.

Good to hear.

RchW · 04-04-2010, 06:17 PM

The extent of defragmentation of your HDD and memory hogs in Vista will have a huge effect on your loading times.

I use mydefrag as a screen saver, but I also run it through a full cycle once a week. OOTP really fragments your files and this slows everything down. The threads previously mentioned will help recover and retain some RAM that gets gobbled up by Vista.

This is not for everyone but I partitioned my HDD to give OOTP it's own spot. I don't know that it's faster but it is easier to defrag and I can backup that smaller partition quickly.

StyxNCa · 04-04-2010, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RchW

The extent of defragmentation of your HDD and memory hogs in Vista will have a huge effect on your loading times.

I use mydefrag as a screen saver, but I also run it through a full cycle once a week. OOTP really fragments your files and this slows everything down. The threads previously mentioned will help recover and retain some RAM that gets gobbled up by Vista.

This is not for everyone but I partitioned my HDD to give OOTP it's own spot. I don't know that it's faster but it is easier to defrag and I can backup that smaller partition quickly.

I gave OOTP it's own external hard drive.

Using defrag fairly often is a real good point. A lot of people don't think of it.

OldFatGuy · 04-04-2010, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StyxNCa

Wow. That's an extremely long time. Even on my old dinosaur it didn't take OOTPX more than a minute to load, and I thought that was bad.

I just saw this thread, and tested mine because I don't play in on this computer anymore because it's too slow.

On my laptop (don't know the specs, but it's only a year old), from the time I double clicked the OOPTX logo to the league page being up and ready, it was 26 seconds.

On my desktop, a 2.5Ghz, 2Gig Mem, XP machine, it took 2 minutes, 53 seconds from the time I double clicked OOTPX to the league page being up.

And this is a majors only league, no minors.

30 seconds, to almost 3 minutes, and that gives you an idea of the difference in in-game stuff too. Thus, I just don't play OOTP anymore on this machine.

My question is, should it be this way with a 2.5GHz, 2Gig RAM machine??
I took a screen shot of my system information if that will help anyone answer that question.

RchW · 04-04-2010, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StyxNCa

I gave OOTP it's own external hard drive.

Using defrag fairly often is a real good point. A lot of people don't think of it.

I'm curious about how well the external HD works. Is it a USB or firewire? My experience has been that external disks are painfully slow. Maybe you can shed some light on it.

bkotler · 04-04-2010, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RchW

The extent of defragmentation of your HDD and memory hogs in Vista will have a huge effect on your loading times.

I use mydefrag as a screen saver, but I also run it through a full cycle once a week. OOTP really fragments your files and this slows everything down. The threads previously mentioned will help recover and retain some RAM that gets gobbled up by Vista.

This is not for everyone but I partitioned my HDD to give OOTP it's own spot. I don't know that it's faster but it is easier to defrag and I can backup that smaller partition quickly.

The defrag is one of the things I did. It must really have done the trick.

Exodor · 04-04-2010, 09:13 PM

For what it's worth I've found OOTP to save and load MUCH more quickly on my laptop running Win7 x64 than on my higher-powered desktop running 32-bit Win7.

Curtis · 04-04-2010, 11:50 PM

My six year old eMac with 2GB RAM and 1.4GHz single IBM processor will do the deed in just under three minutes. I'm happy with that; my old machine with half those capabilities took around five minutes.

Khrog · 04-05-2010, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bkotler

That's a pretty obvious solution that unfortunately is not practical for someone living on temporary disability. I've got 2 GB RAM, a 1.90 GHz AMD Turion 64 X2 Processor on Windows Vista, etc. so, while it's not a beast, it's not terrible.

It shouldn't run as slow as it does, in my opinion. I have other graphics intensive games that run more smoothly with shorter load times. Thanks for the advice though. But I'm still wondering if the new version is made to run faster than OOTP 10.

(By the way, I run a 20-team league with 4 levels of minors and HS and college feeders. That's it.) And yes, I'm drooling right now at the thought of 24 seconds.

Found your problem: *VISTA*

battists · 04-05-2010, 11:49 AM

I wonder if this has to do with something like your antivirus program. OOTP generates a lot of different files on your file system, and if your computer is constantly checking all of those files, it can really kill your performance.

Or maybe even Windows Indexing?

In most antivirus/security programs, there is a way to to exclude certain directories.

Just throwing out some ideas. If you wish, log a ticket in our support system, and we'll see what we can do to help you out.

04-03-2010, 10:19 PM	#1
bkotler Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 33	Does it sim/load/save/etc faster than OOTP 10? This is aimed for anyone in the know: I briefly searched through threads already here but have not found this subject broached upon. As it states, I was wondering if OOTP 11 runs faster than OOTP 10. From the time I would click into the program to the time that my league gets fully loaded, it's at a minimum a 5 minute process. During the game, I had so many times where it would bog down from things such as OSA scouting periods to just random days where OOTP 10 would say (Not Responding) but eventually (a couple to several minutes later) it would pull through. I noticed I wasn't the only one encountering this, though I will admit my laptop doesn't run as well as it once did. It still gets the job done but runs OOTP 10 very slowly. This is a regular happening for me and has certainly knived into my enjoyment of the game so I was wondering if these processes have been sped up for the new version where I should encounter this less often, or at least with less lengthy waits. If anyone out there is in the know, I'd love to get a heads up since I preordered when it first became available for the 2nd straight year. (Yeah, I've gotten sucked in though I miss Eastside Hockey Manager.) Just happy I don't have to wait 'til June this time around!!!!!! And the RTR series along with an exact release date are much improved over being in the dark for so many months last year. These are my only 2 experiences with OOTP. Last edited by bkotler; 04-03-2010 at 10:23 PM.

04-03-2010, 11:30 PM	#4
bkotler Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 33	That's a pretty obvious solution that unfortunately is not practical for someone living on temporary disability. I've got 2 GB RAM, a 1.90 GHz AMD Turion 64 X2 Processor on Windows Vista, etc. so, while it's not a beast, it's not terrible. It shouldn't run as slow as it does, in my opinion. I have other graphics intensive games that run more smoothly with shorter load times. Thanks for the advice though. But I'm still wondering if the new version is made to run faster than OOTP 10. (By the way, I run a 20-team league with 4 levels of minors and HS and college feeders. That's it.) And yes, I'm drooling right now at the thought of 24 seconds. Last edited by bkotler; 04-03-2010 at 11:34 PM.

04-03-2010, 11:49 PM	#5
kq76 Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 12,101	I have a worse computer, a bigger league (except for the feeders) and my guess is my lg takes somewhere between 30-60 seconds to load. If your lg is honestly taking that 5 minutes to load then I'd recommend doing what you can to speed up your computer by just following some of the things in this thread. 2 other threads: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...u-get-hit.html http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...r-machine.html IMO your computer's hardware is plenty good enough as is OOTP's speed. You just need to give it a tune-up. Heck, the problem might even just be your fan needs cleaning. I need to clean out mine once every 6 months or so to keep it running fast. __________________ My OOTP Wishlist \| My FAQ List OOTP Wiki \| Your Recommended Team Nicknames, By City (A Crowdsourced Project) For Beta/Devs: Full screen (1920x1080) Last edited by kq76; 04-03-2010 at 11:57 PM.

04-03-2010, 11:58 PM	#6
battists Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,506	I believe it's slightly faster, but frankly, performance improvement hasn't been a huge focus this year. It does seem strange that you're getting times that slow... __________________ Come check out my dynasty report, Funky Times!

04-04-2010, 03:39 AM	#8
Markus Heinsohn Developer OOTP Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 24,803	OOTP 11 sims about 10% faster, but save/load times are unchanged. __________________ Buy Out of the Park Baseball 25 now! Download OOTP Go 25 for iOS Download OOTP Go 25 for Android

04-04-2010, 12:06 AM	#7
StyxNCa Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Victoria, Texas Posts: 3,136	Wow. That's an extremely long time. Even on my old dinosaur it didn't take OOTPX more than a minute to load, and I thought that was bad.

04-04-2010, 05:36 PM	#10
bkotler Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 33	I actually did a few things (about 20 minutes worth of stuff) last night after hearing your times were so much different and now it is loading in less than a minute and simming/saving more quickly as well. I guess I just got to the point where I was assuming it took that long to load until you all told me otherwise. And no more Not Responding freezes, knock on wood. But thanks Markus for the input about 10% faster simming. Believe it or not, it adds up, because how often do you do something else while simming a week, forget that it's done simming and then come back to it a few minutes later than you otherwise would have. Now you never have to walk away. Not even for a crying kid.

04-04-2010, 06:17 PM	#12
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	The extent of defragmentation of your HDD and memory hogs in Vista will have a huge effect on your loading times. I use mydefrag as a screen saver, but I also run it through a full cycle once a week. OOTP really fragments your files and this slows everything down. The threads previously mentioned will help recover and retain some RAM that gets gobbled up by Vista. This is not for everyone but I partitioned my HDD to give OOTP it's own spot. I don't know that it's faster but it is easier to defrag and I can backup that smaller partition quickly. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

04-04-2010, 09:13 PM	#17
Exodor Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 481	For what it's worth I've found OOTP to save and load MUCH more quickly on my laptop running Win7 x64 than on my higher-powered desktop running 32-bit Win7.

04-04-2010, 11:50 PM	#18
Curtis Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Watertown, New York Posts: 4,567	My six year old eMac with 2GB RAM and 1.4GHz single IBM processor will do the deed in just under three minutes. I'm happy with that; my old machine with half those capabilities took around five minutes.

04-05-2010, 11:49 AM	#20
battists Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,506	I wonder if this has to do with something like your antivirus program. OOTP generates a lot of different files on your file system, and if your computer is constantly checking all of those files, it can really kill your performance. Or maybe even Windows Indexing? In most antivirus/security programs, there is a way to to exclude certain directories. Just throwing out some ideas. If you wish, log a ticket in our support system, and we'll see what we can do to help you out. __________________ Come check out my dynasty report, Funky Times!