A "Whatif" history of modern baseball, 1901-2000+ (i hope) take #?

[Syd Thrift]

I like going the other way: make hits = 3,000, homers 500, etc., what milestone means a guy is a lock for the Hall (I guess the modern era messes with the 500 dingers thing what with Jose Canseco and 3,000 hits too thanks to Raffy but it's easier to kick a couple guys out IMO), and then induct everybody else on a case by case basis. When you're on top of your league like you and PhillieFever are, I don't think it's all that hard to do. And it's kind of fun, poking around in an iffy player's history, trying to make a case, maybe even (if you are like me and uber-nerdy) using the Keltner Rules to help you.

[PhillieFever]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

I like going the other way: make hits = 3,000, homers 500, etc., what milestone means a guy is a lock for the Hall (I guess the modern era messes with the 500 dingers thing what with Jose Canseco and 3,000 hits too thanks to Raffy but it's easier to kick a couple guys out IMO), and then induct everybody else on a case by case basis. When you're on top of your league like you and PhillieFever are, I don't think it's all that hard to do. And it's kind of fun, poking around in an iffy player's history, trying to make a case, maybe even (if you are like me and uber-nerdy) using the Keltner Rules to help you.

Haha,that's exactly what I do, I use the set parameters as a guide,but in the end I'll look through all of the available candidates and make the final decision myself.Like I said earlier,there are a few guys in now,that I personally would not have elected(Tinker,Evers, and Chance) being three, but in the end I just decided to let it go and move on from there.

[captaincarl]

What about guys like Yogi Berra, Ryne Sandberg, Johnny Bench, Orlando Cepeda, Carlton Fisk, Nellie Fox, Hank Greenberg, Ralph Kiner, Tony Perez and Jim Rice?

You're right that the RL HOF is cluttered with players that don't really belong, like Tinker, Evers, Chance, Maranville, and probably most of the ones voted in by the Veteran's Committee.

[captaincarl]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

I like going the other way: make hits = 3,000, homers 500, etc., what milestone means a guy is a lock for the Hall (I guess the modern era messes with the 500 dingers thing what with Jose Canseco and 3,000 hits too thanks to Raffy but it's easier to kick a couple guys out IMO), and then induct everybody else on a case by case basis. When you're on top of your league like you and PhillieFever are, I don't think it's all that hard to do. And it's kind of fun, poking around in an iffy player's history, trying to make a case, maybe even (if you are like me and uber-nerdy) using the Keltner Rules to help you.

What are the "Keltner Rules"?

[PhillieFever]

Originally Posted by captaincarl

What about guys like Yogi Berra, Ryne Sandberg, Johnny Bench, Orlando Cepeda, Carlton Fisk, Nellie Fox, Hank Greenberg, Ralph Kiner, Tony Perez and Jim Rice?

You're right that the RL HOF is cluttered with players that don't really belong, like Tinker, Evers, Chance, Maranville, and probably most of the ones voted in by the Veteran's Committee.

As far as real life goes, I'm a big big fan of Bill James' win shares system. I know it's not perfect,but it's pretty darn good when comparing players. That said, in order for a player to be deemed "hall of fame worthy" I would like to see him have roughly 300 career win shares, a total of 140+ win shares in his 5 best seasons, and an average of at least 27 win shares per 162 games for his career(for pitchers, its an average of 27 win shares per season) using those parameters:
Yogi Berra-IN
Ryne Sandberg-IN(close enough)
Johnny Bench-IN
Carlton Fisk-OUT
Orlando Cepeda-OUT
Nellie Fox-OUT
Hank Greenberg-IN(average of 31.03 for career puts him in in my book)
Ralph Kiner-IN(very very close but to me,he's in)
Tony Perez-OUT
Jim Rice-OUT

*Note: a total of 30 win shares in one season is comparable to an MVP type year, so for Greenberg to average that is freakin' incredible, he's the only guy on this list to do it, and that's why to me, he's in.

As you can see, no matter what system you use,the human element will always be involved, but at least this system is consistent across all eras making it easier to compare.

[captaincarl]

I've always been a fan of Bill James myself, and not because he's employed by the Red Sox.

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by captaincarl

What are the "Keltner Rules"?

Keltner list - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's not the kind of thing where you say "okay, I answered yes to 8 questions so Player X is in but only 7 were yea to Player Y so he's out". It's more of a way of guiding you through the process of figuring out whether your guy was a HOFer; by the time you answer the last question, you generally have a pretty good idea.

[captaincarl]

In the National League, the Pittsburgh Pirates had a tougher time than their final margin of 5 games in winning their first pennant. Pittsburgh took the lead in mid August then held off the St.Louis Cardinals and the Boston Beaneaters during the last two weeks of the season. The Pirates were led on the mound by the NL's Outstanding Pitcher Award winner, Rube Waddell (21 wins, 1.69 era, 314 k), with help from 18-game winner Deacon Phillippe and 17-game winner Jack Chesbro. The Cardinals bounced back from a dismal 1902, after nearly winning it in 1901, to finish in second place thanks to the bat of Dan McGann (.295-6-86) and the arm of 21-game winner Bob Wicker. The Boston Beaneaters ended up in third place, 7 games behind Pittsburgh, in part due to the hitting of Pat Moran, who led the senior circuit with 9 home runs, and the pitching of 21-game winner Jesse Tannehill.

The pennant race in the American League was another story as the Detroit Tigers breezed to their first title, winning by a whopping 16 games. The league's Rookie of the Year Award winner, Doc Gessler, led the way with a .325 average and driving in 87 runs. On the mound, the Tigers were led by Ed Siever, who won a MLB leading 28 games, and Wish Egan (2.21 ERA, 3rd in AL). The Boston Americans, runners up in 1902, were runners up again as they finished in second place, 16 games behind Detroit. Buck Freeman (.290-7-79) and Cy Young (22 wins, 2.49 era, 178 strikeouts) were the major stars of the team. The Cleveland Bronchos ended in third place, 21 games behind Detroit, were led by the bat of Bill Bradley (.318-6-87), the only player on the team with more than one home run, and by pitchers Addie Joss (20 wins, 2.42 era, 187 k) and Earl Moore (19 wins, 2.38 era, 171 k).

The two pennant winners became teams of destiny when their owners made a handshake agreement to face each other in a best of nine series to determine the world's champion. A crowd of over 8,000 were on hand for the first World Series game, a match up between fireballer Rube Waddell and George Mullin. Mullin out pitched Waddell to win 1-0 but the Pirates went on to sweep the next five games to win the "world's championship". The third game of the series, a 3-2 pitcher's duel between Pittsburgh's Jack Chesbro and Detroit's Frank Owen, was spiced up by a home run hit by Jimmy Sebring, the first one in World Series history. (NOTE: He did the same thing in RL! Now that's a coincidence.)

American League     W   L   PCT  GB     National League     W   L   PCT  GB
Detroit            94  46  .671  --     Pittsburgh         80  60  .571  --
Boston             78  62  .557  16     St.Louis           75  65  .536   5
Cleveland          73  67  .521  21     Boston             73  67  .521   7
Philadelphia       72  68  .514  22     Chicago            71  69  .507   9
Chicago            63  77  .450  31     Brooklyn           69  71  .493  11
St.Louis           62  78  .443  32     New York           68  72  .486  12
Washington         61  79  .436  33     Philadelphia       64  76  .457  16
New York           57  83  .407  37     Cincinnati         60  80  .429  20



Batting AVG           AVG               Batting AVG           AVG
M.Donlin, NY         .334               N.Lajoie, BRO        .337
F.Clarke, WAS        .328               J.Beckley, CIN       .306
D.Gessler, DET       .325               S.Crawford, CIN      .303

Homeruns               HR               Homeruns               HR
C.Hickman, CHI         12               P.Moran, BOS            9
H.Davis, PHI            9               L.Criger, NY            8
B.Freeman, BOS          7               N.Lajoie, BRO           7

Runs Batted In        RBI               Runs Batted In        RBI
C.Stahl, NY            99               D.McGann, STL          86
B.Bradley, CLE         87               J.Kelley, BRO          80
D.Gessler, DET         87               L.Cross, BOS           77

Stolen Bases           SB               Stolen Bases           SB
D.Hoffman, PHI         64               H.Bay, CIN             59
D.Holmes, DET          56               J.Sheckard, BRO        49
W.Conroy, STL          46               J.Donaghue, PIT        41

Earned Run Average    ERA               Earned Run Average    ERA
E.Plank, PHI         2.01               R.Waddell, PIT       1.69
N.Garvin, STL        2.20               N.Hahn, CIN          2.06
W.Egan, DET          2.21               A.Orth, PHI          2.19

Wins                    W               Wins                    W
E.Siever, DET          28               J.Tannehil, BOS        21
R.Donahue, WAS         27               R.Waddell, PIT         21
B.Bernhard, PHI        23               B.Wicker, STL          21

Saves                  SV               Saves                  SV
J.Terry, DET           10               B.Rhoads, CHI           5
B.Pounds, CLE           7               R.Ames, NY              4
B.Phillips, BOS         4               K.Nichols, BOS          4

Strikeouts             SO               Strikeouts             SO
R.Donahue, WAS        240               R.Waddell, PIT        314
C.Patten, WAS         188               C.Mathewson, NY       215
A.Joss, CLE           187               J.Weimer, CHI         176



1903 World Series

Game #1
Pittsburgh        0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 - 0 3 2
Detroit           0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 x - 1 4 3
R.Waddell and C.Zimmer
G.Mullin and H.Bemus
WP - G.Mullin (1-0)
LP - R.Waddell (0-1)
HR - none


Game #2
Pittsburgh        0 1 0 0 0 1 0 3 0 - 5 9 0
Detroit           0 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 - 2 6 2
D.Phillippe and C.Zimmer, J.Donahue (9)
E.Siever, J.Cronin (9) and H.Bemus
WP - D.Phillippe (1-0)
LP - E.Siever (0-1)
HR - none


Game #3
Detroit           1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 - 2 5 2
Pittsburgh        0 1 0 0 1 0 1 0 x - 3 4 5
F.Owen and H.Bemus
J.Chesbro and C.Zimmer
WP - J.Chesbro (1-0)
LP - F.Owen (0-1)
HR - PIT: J.Sebring (1)


Game #4
Detroit           0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 - 2 9 2
Pittsburgh        0 2 0 0 0 2 0 0 x - 4 6 1
W.Egan and H.Bemus
S.Leever and C.Zimmer
WP - S.Leever (1-0)
LP - W.Egan (0-1)
HR - none


Game #5
Pittsburgh        2 0 0 2 0 0 2 0 0 - 6 10 3
Detroit           0 0 0 1 0 1 1 0 0 - 3  7 5
R.Waddell and C.Zimmer
G.Mullin, J.Deering (7) and H.Bemus
WP - R.Waddell (1-1)
LP - G.Mullin (1-1)
HR - none


Game #6
Pittsburgh        2 0 0 0 0 3 2 3 1 - 11 15 4
Detroit           0 0 0 1 0 2 2 1 0 -  6 13 4
D.Phillippe, W.Sudhoff (8) and C.Zimmer
E.Siever, J.Cronin (7), J.Deering (8) and H.Bemus
WP - D.Phillippe (2-0)
LP - E.Siever (0-2)
HR - PIT: H.Jennings (1)  DET: D.Gessler (1)

[captaincarl]

AL Outstanding Hitter
Charlie Hickman, Chicago (A)
135 g, 564 ab, 90 r, 175 h, 26 2b, 20 3b, 12 hr, 86 rbi, 277 tb, 19 bb, 62 k, 24 sb, 11 cs, .310 avg, .329 obp, .491 slg

NL Outstanding Hitter
Nap Lajoie, Brooklyn
136 g, 569 ab, 92 r, 192 h, 35 2b, 17 3b, 7 hr, 72 rbi, 282 tb, 29 bb, 60 k, 14 sb, 15 cs, .337 avg, .375 obp, .496 slg

AL Outstanding Pitcher
Red Donahue, Washington
27-34, 0 sv, 2.46 era, 61 g, 61 gs, 556.2 ip, 513 ha, 242 r, 152 er, 17 hr, 98 bb, 240 k, 1.10 whip, .239 oavg

NL Outstanding Pitcher
Rube Waddell, Pittsburgh
21-13, 0 sv, 1.69 era, 35 g, 35 gs, 308.1 ip, 233 ha, 82 r, 58 er, 4 hr, 67 bb, 314 k, 0.97 whip, .208 oavg

AL Rookie of the Year
Doc Gessler, Detroit
131 g, 480 ab, 156 h, 30 2b, 12 3b, 6 hr, 87 rbi, 228 tb, 50 bb, 29 k, 14 sb, 15 cs, .325 avg, .400 obp, .475 slg

NL Rookie of the Year
Jake Weimer, Chicago (N)
20-12, 0 sv, 2.78 era, 35 g, 35 gs, 297.1 ip, 263 ha, 127 r, 92 er, 3 hr, 85 bb, 176 k, 1.17 whip, .236 oavg



Milestones & Achievements
4/16 - Rube Waddell whiffs 15
4/18 - Lave Cross gets hit number 2000
5/14 - Doc White hurls no-hitter. This is the first no-no thrown this season and the second one in history.
7/01 - Bill Bradley hits for cycle. This is the first time that the cycle has been struck this season and the second time in history.
7/07 - Patsy Donovan gets 2000th hit
7/29 - Cy Young strikes out 15
9/27 - Willie Keeler gets 2000th hit



Preseason and Regular Season Trades
7/06 - Boston (A) gets sp Bill Reidy (29 yrs old, 4-13, 0 sv, 2.36 era, 48 k), St.Louis (A) gets lf George Stone (26 yrs old, .283-3-28-12)
7/19 - Philadelphia (N) gets mr Ed Killian (26 yrs old, 4-7, 0 sv, 2.63 era, 32 k), Cleveland gets lf John Titus (27 yrs old, .325-3-87-10)



MLB Records Set or Tied
Batting
Triples: 20 - Buck Freeman, Boston (A)
Strikeouts: 125 - Jimmy McAleer, New York (A)

Pitching
Wins: 28 - Ed Siever, Detroit
Losses: 34 - Red Donahue, Washington
Saves: 10 - John Terry, Detroit
Strikeouts: 314 - Rube Waddell, Pittsburgh


AL Records Set or Tied
Batting
Triples: 20 - Buck Freeman, Boston (A)
Strikeouts: 125 - Jimmy McAleer, New York (A)

Pitching
ERA: 2.01 - Eddie Plank, Philadelphia (A)
Wins: 28 - Ed Siever, Detroit
Losses: 34 - Red Donahue, Washington
Saves: 10 - John Terry, Detroit
Walks: 120 - Case Patten, Washington
Strikeouts: 240 - Red Donahue, Washington


NL Records Set or Tied
Batting
Triples: 19 - Honus Wagner, Pittsburgh

Pitching
Strikeouts: 314 - Rube Waddell, Pittsburgh



Major Free Agents
Rube Waddell, sp
Elmer Flick, rf
Cy Young, sp
Jack Dunn, 2b
Cy Seymour, cf
Bill Dinneen, sp
Fred Tenney, 1b
Topsy Hartsel, lf
Frank Kitson, sp
Harry Howell, sp
Danny Green, rf
Sam Leever, sp
Duke Farrell, c

[captaincarl]

Announcements
MLB - Announced that the number of games played during the regular season is being increased from 140 to 154. Announced that the World Series now be best of seven instead of best of nine.
HOF Committee - Announced that the minimum batting average for those players with 2000 or more hits, has been raised from .295 to .300.



Free Agency

Rube Waddell, sp - Signed a 4-year, $140,510 contract with St.Louis (N)
Elmer Flick, rf - Signed a 5-year, $192,800 contract with St.Louis (N)
Cy Young, sp - Signed a 3-year, $87,020 contract with Philadelphia (N)
Jack Dunn, 2b - Signed a 3-year, $17,850 contract with Chicago (A)
Cy Seymour, cf - Signed a 7-year, $230,800 contract with Pittsburgh
Bill Dinneen, sp - Signed a 3-year, $72,120 contract with Chicago (A)
Fred Tenney, 1b - Signed a 4-year, $107,560 contract with New York (N)
Topsy Hartsel, lf - Signed a 5-year, $114,490 contract with Brooklyn
Frank Kitson, sp - Signed a 3-year, $35,910 contract with Boston (A)
Harry Howell, sp - Signed a 2-year, $21,900 contract with Boston (N)
Danny Green, rf - Signed a 7-year, $80,260 contract with Cincinnati
Sam Leever, sp - Signed a 4-year, $42,768 contract with Boston (N)
Duke Farrell, c - Signed a 1-year, $3,190 contract with New York (N)



Trades
10/10 - New York (N) gets lf Billy Maloney (25 yrs old, .235-0-21-31), St.Louis (A) gets ss Bobby Wallace (29 yrs old, .241-3-48-15)
11/18 - Pittsburgh gets lf Bill Hallman (27 yrs old, .203-0-20-14), St.Louis (A) gets 1b Kitty Bransfield (28 yrs old, .230-1-39-3)
11/22 - New York (N) gets sp Doc Newton (26 yrs old, 12-18, 0 sv, 3.30 era, 113 k), Cincinnati gets lf Kip Selbach (31 yrs old, .246-2-47-21)
11/26 - Chicago (N) gets c Al Shaw (30 yrs old, .237-6-44-7), Boston (A) gets lf Nixey Callahan (29 yrs old, .266-0-35-12)



Major Retirements

2b Billy Clingman, age 33 - 11 seasons. His best season was in 1903 when he batted .269 with 2 home runs, 37 RBI and 17 stolen bases in 127 games.
.245 avg, 953 g, 3319 ab, 465 r, 814 h, 9 hr, 328 rbi, 128 sb, .306 slg

2b Tom Daly, age 37 - 16 seasons. His best season was in 1894 when he batted .341 with 8 homers, 82 RBI and 51 stolen bases in 123 games.
.276 avg, 1582 g, 5803 ab, 1044 r, 1601 h, 47 hr, 822 rbi, 396 sb, .384 slg

lf Ed Delahanty, age 35 - 16 seasons. Inducted to Hall of Fame. His best season was in 1895 when he batted .404 with 11 homers, 106 RBI and 46 stolen bases in 116 games.
.339 avg, 1932 g, 7709 ab, 1592 r, 2616 h, 96 hr, 1450 rbi, 494 sb, .491 slg

2b Bill Hallman, age 36 - 14 seasons. His best season was in 1896 when he batted .320 with 2 homers, 83 RBI and 16 stolen bases in 120 games.
.275 avg, 1500 g, 5765 ab, 920 r, 1586 h, 22 hr, 753 rbi, 185 sb, .352 slg

sp Brickyard Kennedy, age 36 - 12 seasons. His best season was in 1899 when he compiled a 22-9 record with 2 saves, a 2.79 ERA and 55 strikeouts in 277.1 innings.
3.87 era, 195-170, 424 g, 3170.0 ip, 858 k, 1253 bb, 12 sv

cf George Van Haltren, age 37 - 17 seasons. Inducted to Hall of Fame. His best season was in 1895 when he batted .340 with 8 homers, 103 RBI and 32 stolen bases in 131 games.
.313 avg, 2145 g, 8690 ab, 1715 r, 2716 h, 71 hr, 1111 RBI, 629 sb, .412 slg

c Chief Zimmer, age 42 - 19 seasons. His best season was in 1895 when he batted .340 with 5 homers, 56 RBI and 14 stolen bases in 88 games.
.270 avg, 1417 g, 4907 ab, 691 r, 1327 h, 30 hr, 643 rbi, 184 sb, .370 slg

[captaincarl]

Hall of Fame Class of 1903


Ed Delahanty, left fielder -- Inducted 1903

AVG     G     AB     R     H     HR     RBI     SB     SLG
.339  1932   7709   1592  2616   96    1450    494    .491

George Van Haltren* -- Inducted 1903

AVG     G     AB     R     H     HR     RBI     SB     SLG
.313  2145   8690   1715  2716   71    1111    629    .412

[PhillieFever]

The cardinals pull off a coup,signing both Waddell and Flick, this should immediately make them contenders. Cy Young to the Phils and fred Tenney to the Giants are also good moves.

[captaincarl]

If 1904 was named anything, it would be "Second Verse, Same As the First". In the American League, Detroit started off slow, as much as 4.5 games behind the front running Cleveland Bronchos. The Tigers got as hot as the summer and overtook Cleveland by the beginning of August, then continued to run and breezed to a 12 game margin to repeat as league champions. Detroit was led by a terrific mound staff that was bolsted by the arms of Ed Siever (23 wins, 1.86 AL leading ERA), Wish Egan (1.90 ERA) and the junior circuit's Outstanding Pitcher Award winner, Frank Owen (MLB record 29 wins). Once again, Boston finished in second place behind the bat of Buck Freeman (6 HRs) and the arm of Win Kellum (23 wins). The Bronchos ended the season in third place, 16 games behind, thanks to Bill Bradley (5 HR, AL leading 90 RBI) and the arms of 19-game winning Addie Joss and Earl Moore, who also was third in ERA (1.99).

During the National League season, the New York Giants started hot but the Pittsburgh Pirates caught and passed them by Labor Day, then cruised to the title as they clinched with over a week remaining. Pittsburgh featured a mound staff that included three 20+ game winners, Jack Chesbro (26), Deacon Phillippe (25) and Willie Sudhoff (22), and a lineup that was led by Honus Wagner (.336) and Cy Seymour (92 RBI). The New York Giants finished in second place, 8 games behind, thanks to the arm of the league's Outstanding Pitcher Award winner, Christy Mathewson, who won a NL record 27 games and also struck out 234. The St.Louis Cardinals, who signed the top two rated free agents during the offseason, continued their contending ways and wound up in third place, 15 games behind. St.Louis was led by both players, outfielder Elmer Flick (.314) and fireballer Rube Waddell (21 wins, MLB record 342 strikeouts). Chappie McFarland also chipped in with 20 wins.

The World Series once again opened up with the teams splitting the first two games then Pittsburgh swept the Tigers in Bennett Park to win by a 4 games to 1 margin. Willie Sudhoff was the pitching star with his two wins.

American League     W   L   PCT  GB     National League     W   L   PCT  GB
Detroit            95  59  .617  --     Pittsburgh         96  58  .623  --
Boston             83  71  .539  12     New York           88  66  .571   8
Cleveland          79  75  .513  16     St.Louis           81  73  .526  15
Washington         76  78  .494  19     Boston             73  81  .474  23
Chicago            73  81  .474  22     Philadelphia       73  81  .474  23
St.Louis           71  83  .461  24     Chicago            70  84  .455  26
Philadelphia       70  84  .455  25     Cincinnati         70  84  .455  26
New York           69  85  .448  26     Brooklyn           65  89  .422  31



Batting AVG           AVG               Batting AVG           AVG
F.Clarke, WAS        .332               N.Lajoie, BRO        .347
M.Donlin, NY         .313               H.Wagner, PIT        .336
K.Elberfeld, DET     .294               E.Flick, STL         .314

Homeruns               HR               Homeruns               HR
H.Davis, PHI            7               D.Green, CIN            6
B.Freeman, BOS          6               H.Smoot, STL            6
B.Bradley, CLE          5               N.Lajoie, BRO           5

Runs Batted In        RBI               Runs Batted In        RBI
B.Bradley, CLE         90               N.Lajoie, BRO          94
J.Williams, NY         82               C.Seymour, PIT         92
D.Gessler, DET         73               F.Schulte, CHI         87

Stolen Bases           SB               Stolen Bases           SB
D.Hoffman, PHI         51               F.Chance, CHI          54
F.Jones, CLE           43               B.Maloney, NY          54
F.Clarke, WAS          36               H.Wagner, PIT          49

Earned Run Average    ERA               Earned Run Average    ERA
E.Siever, DET        1.86               D.Phillippe, PIT     1.62
W.Egan, DET          1.90               C.Mathewson, NY      1.67
E.Moore, CLE         1.99               J.Chesbro, PIT       1.88

Wins                    W               Wins                    W
F.Owen, DET            29               C.Mathewson, NY        27
W.Kellum, BOS          23               J.Chesbro, PIT         26
E.Siever, DET          23               D.Phillippe, PIT       25

Saves                  SV               Saves                  SV
A.Coakley, PHI          3               R.Ames, NY              3
C.Jaeger, DET           3               C.Robitaille, PIT       3
C.Morgan, STL           3               R.Caldwell, PHI         2

Strikeouts             SO               Strikeouts             SO
E.Plank, PHI          219               R.Waddell, PIT        342
V.Willis, NY          207               C.Mathewson, NY       234
N.Garvin, STL         206               C.Young, PHI          198



1904 World Series

Game #1
Detroit           0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 - 4 7 1
Pittsburgh        1 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 x - 4 8 0
E.Siever and J.Warner
W.Sudhoff and E.Phelps, F.Carisch (9)
WP - W.Sudhoff (1-0)
LP - E.Siever (0-1)
HR - none


Game #2
Detroit           0 0 2 1 0 0 0 1 0 - 4 7 1
Pittsburgh        0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 1 - 3 6 9
W.Egan and J.Warner
G.Thompson and E.Phelps
WP - W.Egan (1-0)
LP - G.Thompson (0-1)
HR - none


Game #3
Pittsburgh        0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 - 2 6 1
Detroit           0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 - 1 7 0
J.Chesbro and E.Phelps, F.Carisch (9)
G.Mullin and J.Warner
WP - J.Chesbro (1-0)
LP - G.Mullin (0-1)
HR - none


Game #4
Pittsburgh        0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 - 1 7 1
Detroit           0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 - 0 8 1
D.Phillippe and E.Phelps, F.Carisch (9)
F.Owen and J.Warner
WP - D.Phillippe (1-0)
LP - F.Owen (0-1)
HR - none


Game #5
Pittsburgh        1 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 - 3 7 2
Detroit           0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 - 1 6 2
W.Sudhoff and E.Phelps, F.Carisch (9)
E.Siever and J.Warner
WP - W.Sudhoff (2-0)
LP - E.Siever (0-2)
HR - none

[captaincarl]

AL Outstanding Hitter
Fred Clarke, Washington
152 g, 585 ab, 71 r, 194 h, 26 2b, 15 3b, 4 hr, 45 rbi, 262 tb, 64 bb, 60 k, 36 sb, 34 cs, .332 avg, .399 obp, .448 slg

NL Outstanding Hitter
Nap Lajoie, Brooklyn
151 g, 628 ab, 90 r, 218 h, 49 2b, 13 3b, 5 hr, 94 rbi, 308 tb, 20 bb, 50 k, 22 sb, 17 cs, .347 avg, .374 obp, .490 slg

AL Outstanding Pitcher
Frank Owen, Detroit
29-9, 0 sv, 2.08 era, 39 g, 39 gs, 329.1 ip, 261 ha, 113 r, 76 er, 3 hr, 50 bb, 135 k, 0.94 whip, .215 oavg

NL Outstanding Pitcher
Christy Mathewson, New York (N)
27-9, 0 sv, 1.67 era, 39 g, 39 gs, 339.1 ip, 245 ha, 93 r, 63 er, 7 hr, 83 bb, 234 k, 0.97 whip, .199 oavg

AL Rookie of the Year
Ed Walsh, Chicago (A)
18-13, 0 sv, 2.10 era, 31 g, 31 gs, 270.0 ip, 227 ha, 86 r, 63 er, 2 hr, 71 bb, 157 k, 1.10 whip, .225 oavg

NL Rookie of the Year
Fred Glade, Chicago (N)
20-17, 0 sv, 2.39 era, 39 g, 39 gs, 324.1 ip, 285 ha, 131 r, 86 er, 4 hr, 72 bb, 183 k, 1.10 whip, .234 oavg



Milestones and Achievements
4/28 - 350 victories for Cy Young
5/14 - Jake Beckley gets hit number 2500
5/30 - Jake Weimer sizzles in no-hitter. This was the first no-hitter thrown this season and the second one in history.
6/10 - Hit #2500 for Jesse Burkett
6/11 - Patsy Dougherty bashes 3 HR
7/31 - Rube Waddell fans 18



Preseason/Regular Season Trades
7/18 - Cleveland gets sp Bob Wicker (26 yrs old, 15-12, 0 sv, 2.23 era, 137 k), St.Louis (N) gets 1b George Stovall (26 yrs old, .236-1-42-8)



MLB Records Set or Tied
Batting
Hits: 218 - Nap Lajoie, Brooklyn
Triples: 21 - Sam Mertes, Chicago (A)
Strikeouts: 143 - George Moriarty, Chicago (N)
Hitting Streak: 35 - Nap Lajoie, Brooklyn

Pitching
Wins: 29 - Frank Owen, Detroit
Strikeouts: 342 - Rube Waddell, St.Louis (N)


AL Records Set or Tied
Batting
Triples: 21 - Sam Mertes, Chicago (A)
Strikeouts: 130 - Lew Drill, Washington

Pitching
ERA: 1.86 - Ed Siever, Detroit
Wins: 29 - Frank Owen, Detroit


NL Records Set or Tied
Batting
Hits: 218 - Nap Lajoie, Brooklyn
Doubles: 49 - Nap Lajoie, Brooklyn
Triples: 20 - Honus Wagner, Pittsburgh
Strikeouts: 143 - George Moriarty, Chicago (N)
Hitting Streak: 35 - Nap Lajoie, Brooklyn

Pitching
Wins: 27 - Christy Mathewson, New York (N)
Strikeouts: 342 - Rube Waddell, St.Louis (N)



Major Free Agents
Nap Lajoie, 2b
Mike Donlin, cf
Roy Thomas, cf
Noodles Hahn, sp
Bill Bradley, 3b
George Davis, ss
Roger Bresnahan, ss
Deacon Phillippe, sp
Ginger Beaumont, cf
Claude Ritchey, 2b
Sam Crawford, 1b
Bill Bernhard, sp

[PhillieFever]

Now THAT is a free agent class. I'm shocked that players like Lajoie,Crawford,Donlin and George Davis weren't resigned.

[captaincarl]

Announcements
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Free Agency

Nap Lajoie, 2b - Signed a 3-year, $39,570 contract with Boston (N)
Mike Donlin, cf - Unsigned as of Opening day, 1905
Roy Thomas, cf - Signed a 3-year, $36,930 contract with Cleveland
Noodles Hahn, sp - Signed a 3-year, $79,550 contract with Philadelphia (N)
Bill Bradley, 3b - Signed a 3-year, $102,060 contract with New York (A)
George Davis, ss - Signed a 2-year, $19,500 contract with Brooklyn
Roger Bresnahan, ss - Signed a 3-year, $109,110 contract with Detroit
Deacon Phillippe, sp - Signed a 4-year, $96,960 contract with Pittsburgh
Ginger Beaumont, cf - Signed a 3-year, $93,180 contract with Chicago (A)
Claude Ritchey, 2b - Signed a 5-year, $121,450 contract with Chicago (N)
Sam Crawford, 1b - Signed a 3-year, $58,170 contract with St.Louis (N)
Bill Bernhard, sp - Signed a 4-year, $79,320 contract with Cincinnati



Trades
10/20 - St.Louis (N) gets lf Spike Shannon (26 yrs old, .277-0-22-3), Cincinnati gets 2b Pete O'Brien (27 yrs old, .186-0-3-0)
10/20 - Philadelphia (N) gets 2b George Rohe (30 yrs old, .234-1-32-11), New York (A) gets rf Cozy Dolan (31 yrs old, .215-3-49-15)
10/22 - Cleveland gets c Fred Jacklitsch (28 yrs old, .204-1-35-11), Philadelphia (N) gets 2b Danny Shay (27 yrs old, .230-1-26-36)
10/22 - Chicago (N) gets sp Bill Dinneen (28 yrs old, 18-18, 0 sv, 2.69 era, 164 k), Chicago (A) gets 1b Jake Beckley (37 yrs old, .279-2-19-2)
10/26 - Boston (N) gets cf Chick Stahl (31 yrs old, .252-0-46-19), New York (A) gets c Pat Moran (30 yrs old, .227-5-54-7)
12/03 - Chicago (N) gets cl Mike O'Neill (27 yrs old, 8-4, 0 sv, 1.50 era, 21 k), St.Louis (N) gets lf Jim Delahanty (25 yrs old, .265-3-43-4)
12/04 - St.Louis (N) gets sp Gus Thompson (27 yrs old, 14-13, 0 sv, 1.91 era, 110 k), Pittsburgh gets lf Jack Dunleavy (25 yrs old, .219-2-32-23)



Major Retirements

2b Gene DeMontreville, age 31 - 11 seasons. His best season was in 1896 when he batted .343 with 8 homers, 77 RBI and 28 stolen bases in 133 games.
.292 avg, 1077 g, 3990 ab, 566 r, 1167 h, 18 hr, 511 rbi, 239 sb, .362 slg

2b Herman Long, age 38 - 16 seasons. His best season was in 1894 when he batted .324 with 12 homers, 79 RBI and 24 stolen bases in 104 games.
.277 avg, 1979 g, 7662 ab, 1489 r, 2124 h, 97 hr, 1057 rbi, 536 sb, .386 slg

2b Harry McCormick, age 29 - 10 seasons. His best season was in 1903 when he batted .295 with 0 homers, 12 RBI and 2 stolen bases in 90 games.
.238 avg, 819 g, 2517 ab, 334 r, 598 h, 10 hr, 305 rbi, 122 sb, .305 slg

[captaincarl]

Originally Posted by PhillieFever

Now THAT is a free agent class. I'm shocked that players like Lajoie,Crawford,Donlin and George Davis weren't resigned.

I should check before the signing period to see how the teams stand financially. I'm guessing that some of the teams were strapped for cash for extentions. That could explain the low amount that Nap Lajoie signed for and for "Turkey" Donlin not being signed as of the beginning of the 1905 season.

Mike "Turkey" Donlin was signed by Cleveland on opening day. (1-year, $16,220)

[PhillieFever]

The Cardinals now have Crawford too! I'm predicting a pennant in the gateway city this season.

[captaincarl]

Originally Posted by PhillieFever

The Cardinals now have Crawford too! I'm predicting a pennant in the gateway city this season.

They'll have to get by the 2-time world champion Pirates to do it, and they just resigned Deacon Phillippe during the offseason to maintain the starting rotation along with Rube and "Happy Jack". It could be a close one. Plus Wagner is starting to come to the fore front as one of the best hitters in the league.

1905 also signals a certain Georgian heading to the Motor City.

[Johnny Canuck]

Bresnahan a shortstop now? I wonder what my Tigers will do with Elberfeld (I noticed that he was 3rd in BA in '04). Still, 2 WS appearances already, so I can't complain. Now if they'd just win one . . .