ALDS: Red Sox VS Angels - Page 3

thevat · 10-10-2009, 01:19 AM

Pretty sad. I was actually really worried about game 3 before the series started because Kazmir has always pitched us tough; now we are going to be down 2-0 going into that game. Ironically with all the talk about Dice-K or Clay pitching game three, the way the offense is going, it doesn't appear to matter. We cannot hit the ball at all. What happened in the last few weeks!?

Sadly Myasu, I think we will be looking at the Red Sox off-season thread soon.

Shane

myasu · 10-10-2009, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by thevat

Pretty sad. I was actually really worried about game 3 before the series started because Kazmir has always pitched us tough; now we are going to be down 2-0 going into that game. Ironically with all the talk about Dice-K or Clay pitching game three, the way the offense is going, it doesn't appear to matter. We cannot hit the ball at all. What happened in the last few weeks!?

Sadly Myasu, I think we will be looking at the Red Sox off-season thread soon.

Shane

Yeah,

I am so sad now that I even miss Manny...

myasu · 10-10-2009, 01:24 AM

Let's hope going back home will do some good to our offense.

Walkoff · 10-10-2009, 02:01 AM

Chone Figgins is a free agent after this season. The Sox love versatility, OBP, and doubles. Mike Lowell is probably on his way out, but who knows. I wouldn't mind having a guy who bats .290/.390/.420 with 30 doubles and 40 steals playing 3B for us. He's not a Type A or B guy either, so no draft picks to mess with.

bababui · 10-10-2009, 02:04 AM

As 1986 taught us, its not as easy to win 1 of 3 games as it looks. Although this time, the Angels wont be coming off a devastating loss.

bababui · 10-10-2009, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Walkoff

Chone Figgins is a free agent after this season. The Sox love versatility, OBP, and doubles. Mike Lowell is probably on his way out, but who knows. I wouldn't mind having a guy who bats .290/.390/.420 with 30 doubles and 40 steals playing 3B for us. He's not a Type A or B guy either, so no draft picks to mess with.

Figgins IS likely to be an A or B guy and many assume the Angels wont resign him.

bababui · 10-10-2009, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by bababui

Figgins IS likely to be an A or B guy and many assume the Angels wont resign him.

Latest Elias Rankings have Figgens a Type B FA.

Walkoff · 10-10-2009, 02:15 AM

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Latest Elias Rankings have Figgens a Type B FA.

Hm, was just on there and didn't see that. Good catch. Even so, that's better than Type A.

myasu · 10-10-2009, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Walkoff

Chone Figgins is a free agent after this season. The Sox love versatility, OBP, and doubles. Mike Lowell is probably on his way out, but who knows. I wouldn't mind having a guy who bats .290/.390/.420 with 30 doubles and 40 steals playing 3B for us. He's not a Type A or B guy either, so no draft picks to mess with.

Wait a minute!
It is too early to start sounding like the off-season thread just yet.

However, I agree we have to try to get players who can replace some of the veterans we might lose over this winter, and Figgins would be one of the options our FO should consider.

Walkoff · 10-10-2009, 02:54 AM

Haha, yes, I know. Sorry, didn't mean to wave the white flag yet. Angels are a great team, but lets hope they got that winning out of their system.

BigBambino · 10-10-2009, 02:22 PM

It's absolutly absurb how many calls are going against the Sox. Bad calls left and left. Even in the other series, the ump missed a very clear fair ball, rule it foul and the twins would have scored and won.

it's a joke.

bababui · 10-10-2009, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BigBambino

It's absolutly absurb how many calls are going against the Sox. Bad calls left and left. Even in the other series, the ump missed a very clear fair ball, rule it foul and the twins would have scored and won.

it's a joke.

Its not like Red Sox fans to whine like this.

Dargone · 10-10-2009, 09:16 PM

I hate to count my chickens before they hatch, but I think we should have this one in the bag. The Evil Empire part deux has been pissing me off for years so I look forward to seeing the Angels celebrate at Fenway...

stevebydac · 10-10-2009, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BigBambino

It's absolutly absurb how many calls are going against the Sox. Bad calls left and left. Even in the other series, the ump missed a very clear fair ball, rule it foul and the twins would have scored and won.

it's a joke.

We can't blame the umps. Their pitchers are outperforming ours. Period.

myasu · 10-11-2009, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by stevebydac

We can't blame the umps. Their pitchers are outperforming ours. Period.

Right now, Angels are simply playing better baseball, and the Red Sox are playing horribly, as they did all season long while playing away from home.

I realize there were some bad calls from umps, sure, but we can not blame them for our losses, because those are not the main reasons we lost the games. (We all know that)
I am happy there is no Red Sox player/coach complaining about the judges (as far as I know), 'cause it would be so pathetic if they did.

Now that we are home, I want the Red Sox to win this game, one game, I do not care how.

If Buchholz looks shaky in the first inning, then bring in Matsuzaka right away. If it does not work either, bring Byrd in. Have Ellsbury bunt for hit every time he is up against Kazmir, if Tito feels Ellsbury has a better chance to get on base that way. Start Lowrie at third if Lowell is hurt. Slap J.D. Drew in his face if Tito thinks he does not know these are PS games . Put Manny's face mask on Bay, if Ortiz still feels more comfortable with Manny protecting behind him. I want all the Players' mothers singing the national anthem before the game, if that is what it takes to wake these players.

Right now, Ellsbury is the only Red Sox hitter with more than 1 hit (2 hits!) .
Yes, the Angels pitching has been very good, but hitting total 8 hits over 18 innings is just unacceptable.

Just win this game, and we'll see what that does to this series.

f.montoya · 10-11-2009, 02:28 AM

I've got a bottle of champagne on ice for Game 3. We will finally get the better of the Red Sox. This one's for you Donnie Moore!!

Oh, and I'm really liking the ring in my ears when I hear the words "Freeway Series".

And now for real analysis by an Angel fan...

Red Sox are not hitting well because they are pressing. A lot of swinging at first pitches and not laying off pitches clearly out of the strike zone prove that. They seemed like a tired team even before the playoffs started as they lost a lot of games down the stretch.

Are the Angels pitchers really dominating? I don't think so. They are clearly benefiting from the aforementioned tiredness of the Red Sox. That said, it certainly builds confidence when you're out on the mound and getting out after out. What's really happening is that the Angels now have a very well rested bullpen because both Lackey and Weaver pitched into the 8th inning of games 1 and 2. And a lot of confidence going into game 3 with Kazmir.

Will Bucholz save the Red Sox season? More than likely, he's going to have a decent 2 or 3 innings. He'll be feeling the pressure and might tend to overthrow in the early innings and it will, in fact, work in his favor. As he settles in, look for the Angel hitters to settle in too. As his pitch count piles up, his arm will tire from the overthrowing he did in the earlier innings. He won't save the Red Sox but will manage to hold off the Angels from doing big damage. I expect 5 innings and for him to give up 4 runs, maybe only 3 of them earned because the Angels might force an error or two.

Final outcome?

Angels 000 130 001 - 5 11 0
Bosox 010 000 001 - 2 6 1

WP - Kazmir (1-0)
LP - Bucholz (0-1)
HR - Ortiz, Morales

Angels win series 3-0

stevebydac · 10-11-2009, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by f.montoya

They seemed like a tired team even before the playoffs started as they lost a lot of games down the stretch.

The Red Sox were pretty much assured of a playoff bid with about 10-12 games left. They were resting starters a lot and not really treating the games too seriously. Take a look at the box scores. Thus, they probably lost a few games they otherwise would have won. (I'm not offering an excuse, just disagreeing with the premise of your point).

I just think a) they ran into 2 great pitching performances this series, as I mentioned before, and b) they keep beating the Angels in the playoffs all the time, even though the two teams have been fairly close in talent this decade - they are due to lose to them.

myasu · 10-11-2009, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by f.montoya

Final outcome?

Angels 000 130 001 - 5 11 0
Bosox 010 000 001 - 2 6 1

WP - Kazmir (1-0)
LP - Bucholz (0-1)
HR - Ortiz, Morales

Angels win series 3-0

I will counter with my own prediction (rather, my desperate wishes?)

Buchholz will throw decent 4 innings, and Matsuzaka will come in as a RP, trailing 0-2 in the top of 5th when the Angels have 2 runners with one out. He will get out of the jam, stay in the game until 8th, somehow holding the Angels scoreless (even though he will walk several Angels while doing so. Maybe couple of bases loaded with two outs innings...) and wait for the Sox offense to wake up. Jason Bay will finally hit a 3 run HR in the 7th to turn it around, and even with just 4 hits again, the Red Sox will win this one.

Angels 100 100 000 -2 8 1
Bosox 000 000 30X -3 4 1

WP - Matsuzaka (1-0)
LP - Kazmir (0-1)
SV - Papelbon (0-0-1)
HR - Abreu, Bay

Angels lead the series 2-1

f.montoya · 10-11-2009, 03:27 AM

Hey Myasu, wouldn't be freakishly eerie if the actual line/box score of game three looked exactly like either yours or mine?

By the way, I'm staying up all night to watch the game. How about you?(I'm in Japan too).

myasu · 10-11-2009, 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by f.montoya

Hey Myasu, wouldn't be freakishly eerie if the actual line/box score of game three looked exactly like either yours or mine?

By the way, I'm staying up all night to watch the game. How about you?(I'm in Japan too).

Hi Fidel,

I am staying up as well, even though I will not function correctly tomorrow at work.

Can not miss this one!

10-10-2009, 01:24 AM	#43
myasu All Star Starter Join Date: May 2007 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 1,491	Let's hope going back home will do some good to our offense. __________________ myasu Bill Spaceman Lee- "The other day they asked me about mandatory drug testing. I said I believed in drug testing a long time ago. All through the sixties I tested everything."

10-10-2009, 09:16 PM	#53
Dargone Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Interwebs Posts: 2,862	I hate to count my chickens before they hatch, but I think we should have this one in the bag. The Evil Empire part deux has been pissing me off for years so I look forward to seeing the Angels celebrate at Fenway... __________________ I was never one to patiently pick up broken fragments and glue them together again and tell myself that the mended whole was as good as new. What is broken is broken -- and I'd rather remember it as it was at its best than mend it and see the broken places as long as I lived.-Margaret Mitchell

10-11-2009, 02:28 AM	#56
f.montoya Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,069	I've got a bottle of champagne on ice for Game 3. We will finally get the better of the Red Sox. This one's for you Donnie Moore!! Oh, and I'm really liking the ring in my ears when I hear the words "Freeway Series". And now for real analysis by an Angel fan... Red Sox are not hitting well because they are pressing. A lot of swinging at first pitches and not laying off pitches clearly out of the strike zone prove that. They seemed like a tired team even before the playoffs started as they lost a lot of games down the stretch. Are the Angels pitchers really dominating? I don't think so. They are clearly benefiting from the aforementioned tiredness of the Red Sox. That said, it certainly builds confidence when you're out on the mound and getting out after out. What's really happening is that the Angels now have a very well rested bullpen because both Lackey and Weaver pitched into the 8th inning of games 1 and 2. And a lot of confidence going into game 3 with Kazmir. Will Bucholz save the Red Sox season? More than likely, he's going to have a decent 2 or 3 innings. He'll be feeling the pressure and might tend to overthrow in the early innings and it will, in fact, work in his favor. As he settles in, look for the Angel hitters to settle in too. As his pitch count piles up, his arm will tire from the overthrowing he did in the earlier innings. He won't save the Red Sox but will manage to hold off the Angels from doing big damage. I expect 5 innings and for him to give up 4 runs, maybe only 3 of them earned because the Angels might force an error or two. Final outcome? Angels 000 130 001 - 5 11 0 Bosox 010 000 001 - 2 6 1 WP - Kazmir (1-0) LP - Bucholz (0-1) HR - Ortiz, Morales Angels win series 3-0 __________________ Fidel Montoya Asahi2 Baseball ex-Commissioner(Historical League Since 2004) www.allsimbaseball.com (OOTP web hosting - Customized sites for online leagues - Sign up, Connect OOTP and Play!) Share Your Mods - Free, unlimited and easy to upload to share your Mods instantly(free site registration required)

10-11-2009, 03:27 AM	#59
f.montoya Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,069	Hey Myasu, wouldn't be freakishly eerie if the actual line/box score of game three looked exactly like either yours or mine? By the way, I'm staying up all night to watch the game. How about you?(I'm in Japan too). __________________ Fidel Montoya Asahi2 Baseball ex-Commissioner(Historical League Since 2004) www.allsimbaseball.com (OOTP web hosting - Customized sites for online leagues - Sign up, Connect OOTP and Play!) Share Your Mods - Free, unlimited and easy to upload to share your Mods instantly(free site registration required)

10-10-2009, 01:19 AM	#41
thevat Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 177	Pretty sad. I was actually really worried about game 3 before the series started because Kazmir has always pitched us tough; now we are going to be down 2-0 going into that game. Ironically with all the talk about Dice-K or Clay pitching game three, the way the offense is going, it doesn't appear to matter. We cannot hit the ball at all. What happened in the last few weeks!? Sadly Myasu, I think we will be looking at the Red Sox off-season thread soon. Shane

10-10-2009, 02:01 AM	#44
Walkoff Minors (Single A) Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 67	Chone Figgins is a free agent after this season. The Sox love versatility, OBP, and doubles. Mike Lowell is probably on his way out, but who knows. I wouldn't mind having a guy who bats .290/.390/.420 with 30 doubles and 40 steals playing 3B for us. He's not a Type A or B guy either, so no draft picks to mess with.

10-10-2009, 02:04 AM	#45
bababui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 14,147 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	As 1986 taught us, its not as easy to win 1 of 3 games as it looks. Although this time, the Angels wont be coming off a devastating loss.

10-10-2009, 02:54 AM	#50
Walkoff Minors (Single A) Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 67	Haha, yes, I know. Sorry, didn't mean to wave the white flag yet. Angels are a great team, but lets hope they got that winning out of their system.

10-10-2009, 02:22 PM	#51
BigBambino All Star Starter Join Date: May 2003 Location: Auburn, ME Posts: 1,315	It's absolutly absurb how many calls are going against the Sox. Bad calls left and left. Even in the other series, the ump missed a very clear fair ball, rule it foul and the twins would have scored and won. it's a joke.