Must Have Features of OOTPB to make it push MLB the Show

[kq76]

Originally Posted by RBPD5015

Problem is I bet all of you would try it eventually especially if they had numerous league entry levels. Maybe you dont want to pay 50 for a single season, but would you pay 5?

Look at online poker and sports gambling. This is one of the biggest markets in the world.

Ok so you have fun in your league thats cool, would you pay more attention if the world series brought you 500 dollars. HELL YEAH and dont say you wouldn't love it.

This is completely separate from my other reasons and I understand I'm probably fairly unique in this, but I have a big problem with chance gambling on moral grounds so, no, there's absolutely no way I'd participate in using OOTP to gamble. I'm sure plenty of others would however.

You'd be right in saying that I'd be interested in it, but that interest would solely be from an observer's point of view. The psychology of gambling interests me a great deal, but I'm certainly not about to throw away money I earn on a bet, especially if the outcome is largely out of my hands. If this were something like chess where there's no chance involved and I was pretty confident I would win then maybe you'd have me, but I'd still likely balk because then I'd feel bad for taking money away from someone and maybe even food out of their kids' mouths (this might seem like hyperbole, but I know first-hand what it's like to grow up with little on the table because a parent gambled everything they had away) who obviously didn't know better or just couldn't help themselves. But betting on the outcome of an OOTP league will all the randomness involved? No way. I don't have it in me whatever that condition is that possesses some people to do that.

Anyway, that's all getting a bit too off-topic, but my main point with it is you can't just assume that most or even much of the existing market would also go for OOTP Online. You do it well enough and I don't doubt it would be successful, but I do doubt most of us would switch to it.

Originally Posted by RBPD5015

Problem now is although you could run a league like that how could you trust the owner of the league he would pay the winners.

How do we trust commishes to run a fair league now? Sure, money changes things for some people, but to some people money is just money. Maybe there's another reason why a league like that hasn't already taken off. If it really would be that popular, surely we would have seen one work for some time using old OOTP. I think we have plenty of trusted commissioners as it is. Could you really trust OOTP to make it where there'd be no way to cheat? Increasing security in old OOTP sure took a long enough time.

[RBPD5015]

I would like to try it, not from a commish point of view because I dont have the rep or experience. I would like to see if one could work however.

Maybe a niche market...but the game is a niche market right?

Matt

[satchel]

Originally Posted by RBPD5015

I do not believe there are enough people like you to make Markus enough money to keep the company viable.

....However I think it has hit a wall.

I feel that without a major new feature OOTP will fail to break any sales records.

Conclusions about the viability of OOTP Developments, the sales trajectory of OOTP Baseball, and its sales numbers in general, are all pure conjecture.

Only a handful of people know what this company's sales are, and what its overall fiscal health is. I'd like to know what evidence you've seen that makes you think that the company's viability is endangered.

[RBPD5015]

Satchel,

I think you took it the wrong way let me make this clear again...

If OOTP DEV was happy with their numbers and they would not have a 7 page thread asking for help to find more customers. This is where you guys are being way to defensive. Its not the end of the world to say this either. It does not mean OOTPX is bad or the company is poorly run. Its just the way of the times. If I own OOTP 8 and am happy with it and my online league I might not switch unless the league switches?

MAtt

[mm7607]

From my point of view and I know no body really gives a crap but here goes anyway. I've bought nearly every version of OOTP. I have bought NO versions of any game sold solely for online play. As for the MLB the show thing, I have never played it and never will. OOTP Blows it away IMO. OOTP does need some major add ons to compete. The schedule generator SUCKS. There is no record book. NO MASS SELECT. The ability to have more then 2 sub leagues needs to be added. I have more but that will do for now.

BTW What is the secret to building the schedules quickly. I see guys cranking them out like cheap suits. Yet doing them by hand takes many hours, so what gives???

[RBPD5015]

See maybe everyone is looking at this backwards its kinda funny.

I dont want to make OOTP like MLB THE SHOW.....I want a way to bring fans from MLB the Show and other genres like Fantasy Baseball, Baseball Gambling etc to OOTPB.....

So I appreciate you never want to play MLB the Show and thats good...now go find 5 people that play that game and get them to play OOTPX!!!

[jasonn29tn14]

I would never participate in anything like that. But I do think OOTP could benefit greatly from having actual graphics in the game - not just an icon of a baseball floating across the screen. (Think High Heat or FPS Baseball) Another major improvement would be to add speech to the play by play. The play by play in OOTPX is excellent. But to actually hear it instead of reading it would really help bring the game to life imho.

[eMLBCommish]

Originally Posted by jasonn29tn14

I would never participate in anything like that. But I do think OOTP could benefit greatly from having actual graphics in the game - not just an icon of a baseball floating across the screen. (Think High Heat or FPS Baseball) Another major improvement would be to add speech to the play by play. The play by play in OOTPX is excellent. But to actually hear it instead of reading it would really help bring the game to life imho.

I don't completely agree here. Graphics would be nice, but not at the expense of ignoring the real meat and potatoes of what makes OOTP my chosen weapon of choice for eMLB. Being an online league that used three versions of High Heat in the past, I think I know where I'm coming from on this matter.

As for audio play by play, it'd never be perfect, and size intensive. Plus, REAL play by play in online leagues is running radio shows on things like NowLive. Could you do great amateur draft commentary in OOTP? Nope! Creativity!!!

[Carlton_Willey]

Originally Posted by jasonn29tn14

I would never participate in anything like that. But I do think OOTP could benefit greatly from having actual graphics in the game - not just an icon of a baseball floating across the screen. (Think High Heat or FPS Baseball) Another major improvement would be to add speech to the play by play. The play by play in OOTPX is excellent. But to actually hear it instead of reading it would really help bring the game to life imho.

None of these would be major improvements for those of us who never play games out. In fact, these would be hideous deflections of valuable development time from more important, game play issues described above.

If you like these type of little kid graphic games, buy them and play them, but don't make MY GAME into drivel.

[ajsas01]

Originally Posted by Carlton_Willey

None of these would be major improvements for those of us who never play games out. In fact, these would be hideous deflections of valuable development time from more important, game play issues described above.

If you like these type of little kid graphic games, buy them and play them, but don't make MY GAME into drivel.

You can play YOUR GAME however you want. I'm sure the graphics would be optional.

As for the 'little kid graphic' comment, there's no need to personally attack someone's suggestion.

[damientheomen3]

i must say, again, that the mlb the show series is downright terrible

[Cole]

Originally Posted by damientheomen3

i must say, again, that the mlb the show series is downright terrible

And your basis for this is?

And a better graphics-based baseball game is?

[kq76]

Originally Posted by ajsas01

You can play YOUR GAME however you want. I'm sure the graphics would be optional.

As for the 'little kid graphic' comment, there's no need to personally attack someone's suggestion.

Yes, let's try not to bash the suggestions too much. Yes, implementing them might take away from our own personal wishlists, but that can be said about maybe every second suggestion made by anyone.

I suppose my comments could be taken as bashing as well, but I'm more concerned with the possibility of OOTP going in a direction that is completely different than what much of its existing fanbase wants. I don't think one or two features in a different direction added to the existing OOTP each year could be that dangerous however. We might even come to like the occasional one we didn't think we would like. The more online suggestions in particular are ones I think many existing online leaguers might like if they were added to regular OOTP.

[hyde4us11]

A pay to play thing would kill my abilities to play the game. I am totally disabled in a wheelchair for life. OOTP is like a pain pill for me. The more i play the less pain i notice (it never truly goes away). I buy the game once a year and the rest of the year i play the game day in day out. Anyone here that knows me knows i give back to the game with my time and effort. Granted sometimes i hurt so bad that i just have to stop and lay down, but thats not alot. If i had to pay for each season in game i couldn't play this pain pill lol. Just thought I'd share the opinion of the strict budget players side.

[RBPD5015]

Hyde4us11,

This would just be an option.....Of course the game would be just like it is. I just feel an extra option like Fantasy Sports has. You yourself would never notice the difference....

Once again its just to target a broader untapped market.

People made comments that Fantasy guys would not like it. I agree I got a buddy of mine who is die hard Fantasy, but would not play this, because he said its make believe.

However I know if I told him that he could put 35 dollars down for a chance to win 500 he would do it and learn the game in a heartbeat.

No how does that take away from all of you who never want this option??? It doesnt...

We shouldnt fight crazy ideas so much it might kill ya.

If I would have told you about Twitter 10 years ago you never would have said it would work.

Text Messaging...5 years ago nobody did it. Now everyone is doing it.

Get with the times.. We progress the world progresses.

A cutting edge idea would not only put OOTP all over every Fantasy and Gambling message board in the world it would bring 20% new owners for sure.

MAtt

[Questdog]

Originally Posted by RBPD5015

A cutting edge idea would not only put OOTP all over every Fantasy and Gambling message board in the world it would bring 20% new owners for sure.

MAtt

I don't need 20% more of you fellas with new ideas....

[Cryomaniac]

I'm not against better graphics as long as the stats engine remains the same. As I've said countess times (well, more times than I can be bothered to search for...) I think a game with OOTP's customization / stat engine and MLB: The Show style graphics / gameplay options would be the best game ever.

[jasonn29tn14]

Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

I'm not against better graphics as long as the stats engine remains the same. As I've said countess times (well, more times than I can be bothered to search for...) I think a game with OOTP's customization / stat engine and MLB: The Show style graphics / gameplay options would be the best game ever.

I Agree 110%

Obviously we all (or most) want the game to keep progressing in the same direction it always has. I know I don't want to play any of those 'kiddie' type games. But graphics (as well as speech) would indeed make it the best baseball sim ever - though imho it already is.

[Killing Time]

Originally Posted by damientheomen3

i must say, again, that the mlb the show series is downright terrible

Most game rankings place it around the 90% composite rating mark, see
MLB 09: The Show (ps3) reviews at Metacritic.com, so a majority of people out there in the gaming world seriously disagree with you. Including a lot of sports game reviewers.

How about amending that statement of yours to read that you personally really don't like the game? Because no "terrible" game can get that kind of consistently good reviews, or get rated with "Universal Acclaim" on Metacritic.

[BMW]

Originally Posted by Killing Time

Most game rankings place it around the 90% composite rating mark, see
MLB 09: The Show (ps3) reviews at Metacritic.com, so a majority of people out there in the gaming world seriously disagree with you. Including a lot of sports game reviewers.

How about amending that statement of yours to read that you personally really don't like the game? Because no "terrible" game can get that kind of consistently good reviews, or get rated with "Universal Acclaim" on Metacritic.

The Show is a perfectly good series. I think we all got the point that he personally doesn't like it.