Marquez-Diaz

Syd Thrift · 03-01-2009, 01:02 AM

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What is up with the Baby Bull? 2nd time in a year now that he's fallen apart after getting cut.

jbergey22 · 03-01-2009, 01:10 AM

Marquez had a smart game plan and it paid off late. Baby Bull is a fun fighter to watch but will have this happen to him often until he learns to change gears. He wasnt in the condition to keep up with the pace he was fighting.

Jersey-Jim · 03-01-2009, 01:51 AM

I cleaned up on this fight. Can't wait to see my friends in the morning! Marquez has the experience to adjust. Diaz has heart, but sometimes that's not enough.

Malcom987 · 03-01-2009, 02:06 AM

Send names and address' of the donuts. I am printing up deeds to the swamp land on my Commodore 64

Malcom987 · 03-01-2009, 02:08 AM

Toms River was the Big City to us in 1949

Jersey-Jim · 03-01-2009, 02:24 AM

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Toms River was the Big City to us in 1949

Toms River was a happening place

. Part of the revolutionary war was fought there, Nathanal Hale was hung there... quoting, "I only regret that I have but one life to give my country."

And Tom, the Indian for whom the town is name...

Well, I don't know what happened to him. He took off down the river somewhere, I guess.

I told my buddies that Marquez was technically too sound for Diaz and would pick him apart. I thought he'd do it sooner, but it was soon enough. You can't overwhelm Marquez's style with just agression until he's on the downside of his ability. Marquez is always in position to counter if you watch the positioning of his feet. That's why he's so good at this point in his career.

The perfect style to beat his was Casamayor's... but he was too old to pull it off.

If someone will make Marquez lead and counter Marquez's attack, his effectiveness will decrease about 20%.

jbergey22 · 03-01-2009, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Jersey-Jim

Toms River was a happening place

. Part of the revolutionary war was fought there, Nathanal Hale was hung there... quoting, "I only regret that I have but one life to give my country."

And Tom, the Indian for whom the town is name...

Well, I don't know what happened to him. He took off down the river somewhere, I guess.

I told my buddies that Marquez was technically to sound for Diaz and would pick him apart. I thought he'd do it sooner, but it was soon enough. You can't overwhelm Marquez's style with just agression until he's on the downside of his ability. Marquez is always in position to counter if you watch the positioning of his feet. That's why he's so good at this point in his career.

The perfect style to beat his was Casamayor's... but he was too old to pull it off.

If someone will make Marquez lead and counter Marquez's attack, his effectiveness will decrease about 20%.

You had to be somewhat worried after the 7th round. I know I was as I had $$$ on Marquez. In the 8th I felt that Marquez had regained control but I was worried that it was going to come down to the judges in which I didnt like the chances in a close fight against bias judges.

Malcom987 · 03-01-2009, 04:06 AM

Toms River had a movie theatre...then towards the end of summer we would make the trip to Seaside Heights...during the dog days we would ride our bikes to Double Trouble.

Labor Day meant the trip back to Irvington...and Newark.

dust · 03-01-2009, 02:24 PM

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What is up with the Baby Bull? 2nd time in a year now that he's fallen apart after getting cut.

Juan Manuel Marquez is what happened. How dare you try to take away from his incredible victory.

Syd Thrift · 03-01-2009, 02:49 PM

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Juan Manuel Marquez is what happened. How dare you try to take away from his incredible victory.

Um, yeah. How dare me! I'm taking nothing away from Marquez that shouldn't be laid at Diaz' feet. Diaz was fairly dominating that fight through 7 rounds, then he got cut and maybe tired and completely fell apart. Granted, Marquez had to be good enough to take advantage of things, but like his setback last year this felt more like a Diaz loss than a JMM victory. Overall, I think this closes more doors for Diaz (for now, anyway; he's still young) than it opens for JMM.

I have to maybe agree with others about the blistering pace. Diaz needs to either start conditioning himself to be able to keep up that work rate for 12 rounds (which, I don't know, may not be possible) or find a way to attack in spurts like everybody else.

Jersey-Jim · 03-01-2009, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Malcom987

Toms River had a movie theatre...then towards the end of summer we would make the trip to Seaside Heights...during the dog days we would ride our bikes to Double Trouble.

Labor Day meant the trip back to Irvington...and Newark.

Hey - I lived on Howard Street in Irvington for awhile. It was safe back then!

Back in the day, a milk truck used to deliver milk in a glass bottle to the doorstep. Then 7-11's came and that was the end of that.

Toms River and Seaside Heights were great places to "hang out" as a kid. Pizza, snow cones, girls at the beach. Wise-guys getting whacked coming out of clubs every now and then.

Good times!

Jersey-Jim · 03-01-2009, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

You had to be somewhat worried after the 7th round. I know I was as I had $$$ on Marquez. In the 8th I felt that Marquez had regained control but I was worried that it was going to come down to the judges in which I didnt like the chances in a close fight against bias judges.

After coming back from the bombs that Pacquaio hit him with, I wasn't really worried. I really didn't think Diaz would last as long as he did forcing the fight that way. Don't get me wrong, he gave one great effort and against most of the fighters in the division, he can overwhelm a lot of fighters with the sheer volume of punches. But when he's taking hard counters and still fighting in overdive, the end comes suddenly.

If he had Marciano-like power (for a lightweight) that style would be awesome. But he doesn't.

He's young at 25, but that style usually burns out fast.

Malcom987 · 03-01-2009, 06:13 PM

He's young at 25, but that style usually burns out fast.

hamed2 · 03-02-2009, 09:35 AM

Props to Ice Tea on the updated LW version of JM Marquez!

Beno999 · 03-02-2009, 10:12 AM

Cant Deny the fact that it was a great fight cause it really was.

Jersey-Jim · 03-02-2009, 04:57 PM

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Cant Deny the fact that it was a great fight cause it really was.

Anytime someone goes down in a blaze - it's exciting whether you win money or lose it.

Much better than someone pecking, probing and ducking their way to victory.

PWillisTheMan · 03-03-2009, 03:16 AM

I lost money on this one. Everything was going how I thought it would. For seven rds that is. Tremendous performance from marquez. Can't do much more than tip my hat to him and pay the book.

I'm proud of Diaz. He went out on his shield like a man. It also would appear that he went to the Cotto & Hearns school of holding when hurt.

03-01-2009, 01:10 AM	#2
jbergey22 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,481	Marquez had a smart game plan and it paid off late. Baby Bull is a fun fighter to watch but will have this happen to him often until he learns to change gears. He wasnt in the condition to keep up with the pace he was fighting. Last edited by jbergey22; 03-01-2009 at 01:12 AM.

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Jersey-Jim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Toms River, NJ & Sarasota, FL. Posts: 2,702	I cleaned up on this fight. Can't wait to see my friends in the morning! Marquez has the experience to adjust. Diaz has heart, but sometimes that's not enough. __________________ *The Boxing Magazine.com: Sep. 2010 Issue* The 2010 All-Time Heavyweight Champions Tournament Notes From A Title Bout Universe Notes from my All-Time Tournaments Heavyweight \| Light Heavyweight Middleweight \|

03-01-2009, 02:06 AM	#4
Malcom987 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 52	LOL...cleaned up on a favored fighter winning. Send names and address' of the donuts. I am printing up deeds to the swamp land on my Commodore 64

03-01-2009, 02:08 AM	#5
Malcom987 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 52	PS...Glad to see Toms River man make good. I spent summers in Beachwood. Toms River was the Big City to us in 1949

03-01-2009, 04:06 AM	#8
Malcom987 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 52	And....Toms River Toms River had a movie theatre...then towards the end of summer we would make the trip to Seaside Heights...during the dog days we would ride our bikes to Double Trouble. Labor Day meant the trip back to Irvington...and Newark.

03-01-2009, 06:13 PM	#13
Malcom987 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 52	very accurate comment He's young at 25, but that style usually burns out fast.

03-02-2009, 09:35 AM	#14
hamed2 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 3,225	Props to Ice Tea on the updated LW version of JM Marquez!

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Beno999 All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Nottingham, UK Posts: 654	Cant Deny the fact that it was a great fight cause it really was. __________________

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PWillisTheMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 3,418	I lost money on this one. Everything was going how I thought it would. For seven rds that is. Tremendous performance from marquez. Can't do much more than tip my hat to him and pay the book. I'm proud of Diaz. He went out on his shield like a man. It also would appear that he went to the Cotto & Hearns school of holding when hurt. __________________ http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...urnaments.html- Nerd Tournaments