Now that the Florida vs Oklahoma game is almost here... - Page 5

Go Tribe · 01-09-2009, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jarmenia

Yeah, about what I expected to see. A bunch of whiny sore losers...

it worked for Florida in 2006 to get them in over Michigan right?

what's good for Urban Meyer is good for fans everywhere IMO

jbergey22 · 01-09-2009, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mikev

Utah went undefeated and beat the crap out of Alabama, a previous #1. They beat Oregon State, who beat USC. They beat TCU and BYU who were both ranked in the Top 15. It's not like they played nobody, as people want to believe.

Texas Tech had their chance, they just forgot to beat Oklahoma and Mississippi.

Well its hard for me to argue on Utah. Yes I know they went undefeated and probably deserve some chance to show how good they really are. However I am pretty much certain that they arent the best team in the country in which anything I say cant prove it.

In Texas Tech I meant before the bowl games they deserved to be in the championship game as much as Texas.

In other words I agree with much of you are saying but many are acting like other systems wont have flaws. This year I felt Florida is the best team with Oklahoma USC and Texas being 2-4. If any of these teams go undefeated they win the Nat'l Championship so in my mind this year worked because all the top teams just had to take care of business and they win it all.

An 8 team playoff is what everyone wants(including myself) but even this will have flaws. Does Utah make the 8 team playoff over Texas Tech? Should Boise St have been in and leave out a team like Ohio St? How about the Big East do they get an automatic birth every year despite the fact some years they are just horrid?

jaxmagicman · 01-09-2009, 03:24 PM

I think this the only problem with the BCS. Chances are if there was a playoff and the same situation happened there is no whining. Other than the few who are going to whine about the refs no matter what. Chances are the BCS got it right. Utah isn't in the class with USC, and playing one good quarter against a BCS top school is not going to prove to me that they could beat top BCS schools 3 weeks in a row. USC didn't have the offense to hang with Florida and Texas didn't have the defense. But because we allowed computers to do it, people are going to complain.

Just get over it. If they picked USC, I would not complain. I would know that if we didn't lose to Ole Miss we would have made it.

If I was Utah I wouldn't complain either, because I know my team would have to play flawless to beat Florida and they would either have to play badly or have some injuries for me to have a chance.

But you people who complain just can't accept it. The BCS got it right. Hell the majority of the AP writers agree, which is saying something. Get over it, you are wrong.

mikev · 01-09-2009, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

Well its hard for me to argue on Utah. Yes I know they went undefeated and probably deserve some chance to show how good they really are. However I am pretty much certain that they arent the best team in the country in which anything I say cant prove it.

In Texas Tech I meant before the bowl games they deserved to be in the championship game as much as Texas.

In other words I agree with much of you are saying but many are acting like other systems wont have flaws. This year I felt Florida is the best team with Oklahoma USC and Texas being 2-4. If any of these teams go undefeated they win the Nat'l Championship so in my mind this year worked because all the top teams just had to take care of business and they win it all.

An 8 team playoff is what everyone wants(including myself) but even this will have flaws. Does Utah make the 8 team playoff over Texas Tech? Should Boise St have been in and leave out a team like Ohio St? How about the Big East do they get an automatic birth every year despite the fact some years they are just horrid?

Utah may well not be the best team, but they deserve the chance to prove it.

For the record, I think 16 would be better than an 8 team playoff.

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Originally Posted by jaxmagicman

I think this the only problem with the BCS. Chances are if there was a playoff and the same situation happened there is no whining. Other than the few who are going to whine about the refs no matter what. Chances are the BCS got it right. Utah isn't in the class with USC, and playing one good quarter against a BCS top school is not going to prove to me that they could beat top BCS schools 3 weeks in a row. USC didn't have the offense to hang with Florida and Texas didn't have the defense. But because we allowed computers to do it, people are going to complain.

Just get over it. If they picked USC, I would not complain. I would know that if we didn't lose to Ole Miss we would have made it.

If I was Utah I wouldn't complain either, because I know my team would have to play flawless to beat Florida and they would either have to play badly or have some injuries for me to have a chance.

But you people who complain just can't accept it. The BCS got it right. Hell the majority of the AP writers agree, which is saying something. Get over it, you are wrong.

So who did Utah lose to in order to not make it?

Your argument is childish OMG THEY SAID SO JUST ACCEPT IT AND STFU.

Go Tribe · 01-09-2009, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxmagicman

I think this the only problem with the BCS. Chances are if there was a playoff and the same situation happened there is no whining. Other than the few who are going to whine about the refs no matter what. Chances are the BCS got it right. Utah isn't in the class with USC, and playing one good quarter against a BCS top school is not going to prove to me that they could beat top BCS schools 3 weeks in a row. USC didn't have the offense to hang with Florida and Texas didn't have the defense. But because we allowed computers to do it, people are going to complain.

Just get over it. If they picked USC, I would not complain. I would know that if we didn't lose to Ole Miss we would have made it.

If I was Utah I wouldn't complain either, because I know my team would have to play flawless to beat Florida and they would either have to play badly or have some injuries for me to have a chance.

But you people who complain just can't accept it. The BCS got it right. Hell the majority of the AP writers agree, which is saying something. Get over it, you are wrong.

explain why Florida deserved to jump USC after they both had one loss and USC was ranked 5 spots ahead of Florida in the first BCS rankings.

the answer of why florida oklahoma and texas moved ahead of and stayed ahead of usc is the perceived quality of their conferences. ranked 10th in the first standings florida moved to 8 by beating kentucky, moved to 5th (and ahead of usc and oklahoma) by beating a terribly overrated georgia team that was ranked 6th at the time, thanks to their preseason #1 ranking, moved to 4th by beating vandy, stayed at 4th despite beating the citadel while usc was beating notre dame, then moved to #2 by beating an alabama team that pumped up it's record by going 8-0 in conference, mostly against the weakest teams in the SEC, and who subsequently were wiped by Utah. if georgia isn't ranked so high to start the season, no way florida passes both usc and oklahoma. perceived strength of the conference.

oklahoma started #4, dropped to #6 despite winning as florida and texas tech passed them, moved to 5 when they beat A&M, stayed at 5 despite a bye week and USC winning, beat a ridiculously overrated texas tech team and moved to 3, beat another overrated big 12 team in ok state and moved to 2.

the problem here is that these two conferences have teams ranked so high so early that when they beat up each other in conference play, it's perceived as a good loss so they don't move down much.

look at the preseason AP poll....

6 sec teams including LSU, Tennessee and Auburn
5 big 12 teams all ranked in the top 14 including Kansas and Texas Tech

when these teams start beating one another, they count as quality wins and good losses - beat LSU early and it's a huge boost, same with Auburn , Tenn, etc.

mikev · 01-09-2009, 03:56 PM

Don't you know that the SEC is the greatest conference that's ever been?

Had Florida played in the NFL this year, they'd have won the Super Bowl.

jaxmagicman · 01-09-2009, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mikev

Utah may well not be the best team, but they deserve the chance to prove it.

For the record, I think 16 would be better than an 8 team playoff.

So who did Utah lose to in order to not make it?

Your argument is childish OMG THEY SAID SO JUST ACCEPT IT AND STFU.

No your argument is childish. I can't accept that maybe I am wrong because OMG UTAH DIDN'T LOSE! If not losing is the only requirement, I am national champion. I didn't lose either. What's that you say, I didn't play any games. Well Utah didn't play the games Florida played either. Florida is champ. Get over it. Nothing you say will ever ever ever change that.

Utah has done nothing to convince me they could beat Florida. Maybe you just want to disagree to disagree. I admit. I watched every Florida game and only one Utah game. But in that one game they did nothing to convince me. I should watch the rest, but I don't have to, the AP writers did that for me. Just accept it, like I would if Utah had been given a chance. I trust professionals to make the right call. There is nothing childish about accepting the opinion of the guys paid to make that choice. There is something childish about saying they are wrong. Especially when you aren't paid to make those decisions. Stay in your pay grade.

As for why USC was jumped. Same reason. I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY WERE JUMPED. I watched one USC game and they lost to Oregon State. So, SINCE I DO NOT KNOW WHY, I will have to leave it up to the professionals to make that decision FOR ME. Looks like they did.

mikev · 01-09-2009, 04:10 PM

Weird, USC also crushed Ohio State, Penn State, Notre Dame, and pretty much everybody else they played.

As far as Utah, I know they probably tried really hard to get a game against Citadel, but they could only manage to get -- and beat -- Oregon State, who beat USC. They must suck, right, since you saw USC lose (which, apparently, is why they were jumped? Stay in your pay grade, that's not up to you.)

Oh, and in case you missed it, some of "the professionals" want to boycott the BCS because it's a stupid system that they change to meet their needs.

Plain and simple, the BCS needs to change. The fact that the best team isn't determined on the field is awful, and it's the only sport where that happens. Sorry you can't see that.

Go Tribe · 01-09-2009, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxmagicman

As for why USC was jumped. Same reason. I watched one USC game and they lost to Oregon State. So I will have to leave it up to the professionals to make that decision as well. Looks like they did.

i asked why usc was jumped well AFTER they lost to oregon state

losing to oregon state dropped them from 1 to 5

why did florida deserve to jump them despite being ranked 5 spots lower well after they both lost

jarmenia · 01-09-2009, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Go Tribe

it worked for Florida in 2006 to get them in over Michigan right?

what's good for Urban Meyer is good for fans everywhere IMO

Except in 2006 Florida actually won their conference. Slight difference there. Don't let facts get in the way of your argument.

Go Tribe · 01-09-2009, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jarmenia

Except in 2006 Florida actually won their conference. Slight difference there. Don't let facts get in the way of your argument.

they cried to get in over conference winning usc too didn't they

nice try

he cried his ass off and they rewarded him for it

now you're crying about other people crying, even though your coach said he has no problem with the other teams feeling that way

marc · 01-09-2009, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxmagicman

The BCS got it right.

That's VERY debatable.

Florida certainly should have been there, and I think they along with USC are the two best teams in the country. Of course, I'm a tad biased because those were the two teams that I pegged last spring for the title game but from watching an absolute crapload of college football this year those two teams "A" games were the best out there.

jazzrack · 01-09-2009, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

Well its hard for me to argue on Utah. Yes I know they went undefeated and probably deserve some chance to show how good they really are. However I am pretty much certain that they arent the best team in the country in which anything I say cant prove it.

my problem is that many are judging Utah without watching them play. i have seem 4 of their games this season + the bowl game, and they are as good as anybody, IMO they would have beaten either Florida or oklahoma, as would have USC.

It is clearly bias towards the so called power confrences, but frankly anybody who thinks that there is a great difference between confrences anymore is living in the past. the only differences may be with the bottom feeders of the leagues, but even then i'd have to watch some bottom-feeder games before i make that call.

jazzrack · 01-09-2009, 08:56 PM

I don't accept the BSC champion as the national champion, never have never will. I have agreed with the outcome a time or 2 though. but even a broken clock is right twice a day.

jazzrack · 01-09-2009, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

They arent in a top conference. Impossible to compare them to the other top teams at this point. Not fair but it is what it is. Im thinking everyone in this thread knows that the talent levels in the different conferences is substantial.

this is such BS, the talent levels are close and getting closer every year. have you tried watching some of the so-called lower confrence games? and i don't mean 1 or 2, but a whole slate of them so you can get a true taste of how good these teams really are.

this notion that the "big" confrences have drasticly more talent is no longer valid.

gpm22 · 01-09-2009, 09:37 PM

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Hell the majority of the AP writers agree, which is saying something.

Since when do AP writers get things right?

BrentBlades · 01-09-2009, 09:43 PM

Maybe it's just because I skimmed through the thread but I don't understand why everyone just assumes Utah would get beat by Florida.

Utah beat the same Alabama team Florida beat by 5 more points then Florida did. Now granted that's not much but the fact they beat them by more then Florida did says something. As much as it sucks it's the only team they both played to judge the two on. And in that one category at least Utah wins.

jarmenia · 01-09-2009, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Go Tribe

they cried to get in over conference winning usc too didn't they

And USC didn't do any lobbying for themselves right? Isn't that part of the "Game" that we call the polls?

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now you're crying about other people crying, even though your coach said he has no problem with the other teams feeling that way

I'm not crying. I'm just observing people reacting just like as I expected. Feel free to cry all you want, you seem to do it well. It still doesn't make you right no matter what you think.

jarmenia · 01-09-2009, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BrentBlades

Maybe it's just because I skimmed through the thread but I don't understand why everyone just assumes Utah would get beat by Florida.

Utah beat the same Alabama team Florida beat by 5 more points then Florida did. Now granted that's not much but the fact they beat them by more then Florida did says something. As much as it sucks it's the only team they both played to judge the two on. And in that one category at least Utah wins.

Except Harvin didn't play in the SEC championship and anyone that thinks Alabama had the same motivation in the Sugar Bowl as they did in the SEC Championship is an idiot.

mikev · 01-09-2009, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jarmenia

Except Harvin didn't play in the SEC championship and anyone that thinks Alabama had the same motivation in the Sugar Bowl as they did in the SEC Championship is an idiot.

You're drastically underestimating how competitive athletes are.

01-09-2009, 03:24 PM	#83
jaxmagicman Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Retired defloration-maker living in Myrtle Beach, SC Posts: 7,801	I think this the only problem with the BCS. Chances are if there was a playoff and the same situation happened there is no whining. Other than the few who are going to whine about the refs no matter what. Chances are the BCS got it right. Utah isn't in the class with USC, and playing one good quarter against a BCS top school is not going to prove to me that they could beat top BCS schools 3 weeks in a row. USC didn't have the offense to hang with Florida and Texas didn't have the defense. But because we allowed computers to do it, people are going to complain. Just get over it. If they picked USC, I would not complain. I would know that if we didn't lose to Ole Miss we would have made it. If I was Utah I wouldn't complain either, because I know my team would have to play flawless to beat Florida and they would either have to play badly or have some injuries for me to have a chance. But you people who complain just can't accept it. The BCS got it right. Hell the majority of the AP writers agree, which is saying something. Get over it, you are wrong. __________________ See ID Major League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with permission of MLB Advanced Media, L.P. Minor League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with the permission of Minor League Baseball. All rights reserved. Last edited by jaxmagicman; 01-09-2009 at 03:27 PM.

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mikev Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 4,014	Don't you know that the SEC is the greatest conference that's ever been? Had Florida played in the NFL this year, they'd have won the Super Bowl. __________________ Global Unified Baseball Association - Vice Commish and Oakland Oaks GM

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mikev Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 4,014	Weird, USC also crushed Ohio State, Penn State, Notre Dame, and pretty much everybody else they played. As far as Utah, I know they probably tried really hard to get a game against Citadel, but they could only manage to get -- and beat -- Oregon State, who beat USC. They must suck, right, since you saw USC lose (which, apparently, is why they were jumped? Stay in your pay grade, that's not up to you.) Oh, and in case you missed it, some of "the professionals" want to boycott the BCS because it's a stupid system that they change to meet their needs. Plain and simple, the BCS needs to change. The fact that the best team isn't determined on the field is awful, and it's the only sport where that happens. Sorry you can't see that. __________________ Global Unified Baseball Association - Vice Commish and Oakland Oaks GM Last edited by mikev; 01-09-2009 at 04:12 PM.

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jazzrack Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: still kicking Posts: 3,229	I don't accept the BSC champion as the national champion, never have never will. I have agreed with the outcome a time or 2 though. but even a broken clock is right twice a day. __________________ . "Never confuse composure for ease" Was once Head Cheese of Corporate League Baseball

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BrentBlades Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Louisville Posts: 134	Maybe it's just because I skimmed through the thread but I don't understand why everyone just assumes Utah would get beat by Florida. Utah beat the same Alabama team Florida beat by 5 more points then Florida did. Now granted that's not much but the fact they beat them by more then Florida did says something. As much as it sucks it's the only team they both played to judge the two on. And in that one category at least Utah wins.