Now that the Florida vs Oklahoma game is almost here...

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by bababui

If Florida had dominated Oklahoma I would agree that Florida was the best team in the country. But this Bowl season has exposed the Big 12 as strong offense/questionable defense. Florida didnt dominate the Oklahoma defense the way a true #1 team should have. I certainly wont say that USC is better than Florida or even Utah; but I will say no team has clearly stepped up this year to make a clear case as #1. The real losers are the teams in question and the fans who have been deprived of some great competition. Hats off to Florida and they won the BCS. But I am not convinced that they are the bets team.

A 10 point win in which they never trailed against the #2 team in the nation is pretty decisive. USC had a great chance to beat either of these teams if they hadnt messed up early in the season. Like I said earlier the best team doesnt always have to win for the system to work. The Patriots would have beat the Giants 8 out of 10 times they played last year but we dont call them the Champs do we?

So if the NCAA did a playoff and it ended up Penn St vs Alabama would that system be flawed as well because the best team didnt win?

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by jaxmagicman

You are new here aren't you. People are going to take what you say about one specific situation and use it to fit every situation. They have no clue that every situation is different. It is the same thing people do when they say one person is just like every other in his or her race. They have no way of looking at something and seeing it as a different situation or person.

Nah Im not new I just dont take part in these arguments very often because it is pointless to try and get someone to change their opinion via the internet. I can usually asmit when someone makes a good point about something but even I have a hard time changing my mind on something.

In this case Im with the majority that want the playoff however Im not going to make a case for USC or Utah because USC had their chance and blew it and as much as people want to think Utah would have a chance they just wouldnt. Their conference has improved leaps and bounds in the past 5 years but they still arent at the level of the big 5.

[mikev]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

So if the NCAA did a playoff and it ended up Penn St vs Alabama would that system be flawed as well because the best team didnt win?

Not nearly as flawed as a system in which the games don't even get played.

[Go Tribe]

Originally Posted by jaxmagicman

By 1 point to a team that went out and won their last 6 games including a win over another team that many thought should be in the NC game.

they lost to a team that was 3-4 and unranked at the time

their last 5 wins before the bowl game were unimpressive to say the least

they beat a texas tech team in their bowl game that was as interested in being there as florida was last year against michigan

their loss was no better than usc's

i'm still trying to determine if their loss was better than utah's....

[Go Tribe]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

So if the NCAA did a playoff and it ended up Penn St vs Alabama would that system be flawed as well because the best team didnt win?

no because both of those teams would have earned their way to that game ON THE FIELD, head to head - not by votes.

[jarmenia]

Yeah, about what I expected to see. A bunch of whiny sore losers...

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Go Tribe

no because both of those teams would have earned their way to that game ON THE FIELD, head to head - not by votes.

They did earn it on the field. The college football season is like a year long playoff in which USC blew their chance by losing a game they should have won by 21. The two most deserving teams were in the championship game and the better team won.

The only other team that could be in the equation but the common sense index would tell you they wouldnt stand much of a chance is Utah. The positive to their season is now they can start out next season ranked higher and should they have a similiar result they may just get in the title game. Reputation plays a huge part in how the BCS works therefore I dont feel bad for USC. They started the season ranked very high and blew it themselves.

[Erik W.]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

The college football season is like a year long playoff in which USC blew their chance by losing a game they should have won by 21.

So why aren't you calling for the only team who won all of their games in the "year long playoff" to be the champion?

[Cooleyvol]

Because his analogy is flawed to begin with.

[Go Tribe]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

They did earn it on the field. The college football season is like a year long playoff in which USC blew their chance by losing a game they should have won by 21. The two most deserving teams were in the championship game and the better team won.

The only other team that could be in the equation but the common sense index would tell you they wouldnt stand much of a chance is Utah. The positive to their season is now they can start out next season ranked higher and should they have a similiar result they may just get in the title game. Reputation plays a huge part in how the BCS works therefore I dont feel bad for USC. They started the season ranked very high and blew it themselves.

how did USC blow their chance by losing a game they should have won by 21, on the road no less, but Florida didn't blow their chance by losing a game they should have won by 21 at home. In fact Florida and USC both lost the same weekend and USC stayed ahead of Florida.

Florida passed USC the week they beat a vastly overrated Georgia team. That's the problem with this - everyone THINKS the SEC & Big 12 (this season) is great top to bottom, so a win over a bad Georgia team vaults you higher than it should, as does a win over a bad LSU team, as does a win over an overrated Texas Tech team, as does a win over an overrated Missouri team.

So what did USC do to blow their chance between the time they both lost and were rated higher than Florida and the end of the regular season?

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Erik W.

So why aren't you calling for the only team who won all of their games in the "year long playoff" to be the champion?

They arent in a top conference. Impossible to compare them to the other top teams at this point. Not fair but it is what it is. Im thinking everyone in this thread knows that the talent levels in the different conferences is substantial.

When was the last time a team from a non power conference won the NCAA Championship in basketball in which they have a tournament? My educated guess says the talent differential in football is even greater than that.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Cooleyvol

Because his analogy is flawed to begin with.

Mine may have flaws but you dont have an argument.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Go Tribe

how did USC blow their chance by losing a game they should have won by 21, on the road no less, but Florida didn't blow their chance by losing a game they should have won by 21 at home. In fact Florida and USC both lost the same weekend and USC stayed ahead of Florida.

Florida passed USC the week they beat a vastly overrated Georgia team. That's the problem with this - everyone THINKS the SEC & Big 12 (this season) is great top to bottom, so a win over a bad Georgia team vaults you higher than it should, as does a win over a bad LSU team, as does a win over an overrated Texas Tech team, as does a win over an overrated Missouri team.

So what did USC do to blow their chance between the time they both lost and were rated higher than Florida and the end of the regular season?

You do make a good point.

[mikev]

How is it a year long playoff when the top teams don't actually play each other?

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by mikev

How is it a year long playoff when the top teams don't actually play each other?

Name a team in a BCS conference that doesnt have a chance to get in the BCS Championship game?

There is well over 100 teams in college football. Id love to know what you are going to propose that wont have some flaws.

An 8 team playoff? You dont think teams 9-20 are going to have complaints?

The 65 field NCAA tournament has 6-7 teams each year that arent happy.

Its impossible to come up with a great system unless of course you plan on having each team play 120 games each year.

[mikev]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Name a team in a BCS conference that doesnt have a chance to get in the BCS Championship game?

There is well over 100 teams in college football. Id love to know what you are going to propose that wont have some flaws.

An 8 team playoff? You dont think teams 9-20 are going to have complaints?

The 65 field NCAA tournament has 6-7 teams each year that arent happy.

Its impossible to come up with a great system unless of course you plan on having each team play 120 games each year.

Lets see -- just this year alone, Texas, USC, and Utah all have at least an equal claim to the Championship Game as Florida and Oklahoma do.

Hell, Texas BEAT Oklahoma straight up.

Interesting that you bring up the NCAA Tournament. Each year 6-7 teams aren't happy because they feel they were one of the best 65 teams, sure. However, is there any argument about who the National Champion is at the end of the tournament? I'm pretty sure there isn't an argument over which team is THE BEST at the end of the season.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by mikev

Lets see -- just this year alone, Texas, USC, and Utah all have at least an equal claim to the Championship Game as Florida and Oklahoma do.

Why Utah? (They beat Michigan and won all their games in a bad conference)

Texas,USC and youd have to include Texas Tech if you want to include Texas all had a chance if they handle their own business. It wouldnt have bothered me if USC was in the championship but if floors me when people say they belonged there instead of ? If USC was as great as everyone wants to think they wouldnt have lost to Oregon St and put themselves in postion to be left out.

[Go Tribe]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Name a team in a BCS conference that doesnt have a chance to get in the BCS Championship game?

2004 auburn tigers

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Go Tribe

2004 auburn tigers

Fair enough

You have good points what would you like to see?

[mikev]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Why Utah? (They beat Michigan and won all their games in a bad conference)

Texas,USC and youd have to include Texas Tech if you want to include Texas all had a chance if they handle their own business. It wouldnt have bothered me if USC was in the championship but if floors me when people say they belonged there instead of ? If USC was as great as everyone wants to think they wouldnt have lost to Oregon St and put themselves in postion to be left out.

Utah went undefeated and beat the crap out of Alabama, a previous #1. They beat Oregon State, who beat USC. They beat TCU and BYU who were both ranked in the Top 15. It's not like they played nobody, as people want to believe.

Texas Tech had their chance, they just forgot to beat Oklahoma and Mississippi.