Optimal Waiver and DFA Lengths

kq76 · 11-15-2008, 02:51 PM

My brain's foggy lately (or maybe I'm just getting old and stupid) and I just can't seem to convince myself what the best way to handle DFA and waivers in OOTP9 is. In the CBL we sim 7 days a sim, but our waiver period is 8 days long and our DFA is 15 days long. Now in OOTP6.5 I seem to recall that made sense somehow, but as a manager in OOTP9 I don't think it does and I'd like to figure out what's best and propose the change. Anyway, what do you guys use and what's your reasoning?

The reason why I feel the above isn't best is because since waiver processing is done within the game and no longer on the forum, we no longer need that extra day (8th) to get to the next sim to process the claim or pull back. Is there any reason at all to make sure it doesn't get processed until the next sim? Could you make the waiver period one day and it would make no difference?

What about DFA? I think the DFA period probably needs to be spread out over at least two sims as opposed to the old three sims because IINM you have to wait for, say, a player to pass through waivers to move him elsewhere in the org'zn, but does that mean that your sim length +1 day (8 days in the example above) is sufficient or is there reason to make it something else like two full sims (14 days in the example above)?

Nutlaw · 11-16-2008, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by kq76

The reason why I feel the above isn't best is because since waiver processing is done within the game and no longer on the forum, we no longer need that extra day (8th) to get to the next sim to process the claim or pull back. Is there any reason at all to make sure it doesn't get processed until the next sim? Could you make the waiver period one day and it would make no difference?

You forget that the other GMs need to know that a player is on waivers if they are going to have a chance at claiming him. If your export included a player being put on waivers and that player went through waivers before teams had another chance to export, every single player would pass through unopposed.

kq76 · 11-16-2008, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Nutlaw

You forget that the other GMs need to know that a player is on waivers if they are going to have a chance at claiming him. If your export included a player being put on waivers and that player went through waivers before teams had another chance to export, every single player would pass through unopposed.

Thanks. Yeah, this is exactly the kind of stuff I was having difficulty wrapping my head around. You're right, other GMs do need to have the opportunity to claim the players so the waiver period does need to last at least the length of the sim, but if your sim is only 7 days long all it needs to be is 7 days, right? It's overkill to make it 8 days and have it drag over two sims, right?

Since you seem to get this, any thoughts on DFA length? Same thing, it only has to last the full length of two sims, not drag over 3?

EDIT: Oh wait, maybe it does need to drag over. If it only lasts the full length of the sim then they'll have already passed through waivers by the end of the last day of the sim, I think. Hmm, I'll see if I can easily just test it..

sporr · 11-17-2008, 03:15 PM

Yeah, it has to be a longer period than 1 sim length or, as you said, players will clear at the very end of the sim.

bwburke94 · 11-17-2008, 04:14 PM

Waivers 8, DFA 14 would be my ideal setting. Of course, I don't play online.

Nutlaw · 11-17-2008, 05:52 PM

Waivers 8, DFA 15. You need one sim for GMs to realize that a player is on waivers and another sim for the waiving GM to realize that his player wasn't accepted so that he can demote him.

11-15-2008, 02:51 PM	#1
kq76 Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 12,029	Optimal Waiver and DFA Lengths My brain's foggy lately (or maybe I'm just getting old and stupid) and I just can't seem to convince myself what the best way to handle DFA and waivers in OOTP9 is. In the CBL we sim 7 days a sim, but our waiver period is 8 days long and our DFA is 15 days long. Now in OOTP6.5 I seem to recall that made sense somehow, but as a manager in OOTP9 I don't think it does and I'd like to figure out what's best and propose the change. Anyway, what do you guys use and what's your reasoning? The reason why I feel the above isn't best is because since waiver processing is done within the game and no longer on the forum, we no longer need that extra day (8th) to get to the next sim to process the claim or pull back. Is there any reason at all to make sure it doesn't get processed until the next sim? Could you make the waiver period one day and it would make no difference? What about DFA? I think the DFA period probably needs to be spread out over at least two sims as opposed to the old three sims because IINM you have to wait for, say, a player to pass through waivers to move him elsewhere in the org'zn, but does that mean that your sim length +1 day (8 days in the example above) is sufficient or is there reason to make it something else like two full sims (14 days in the example above)? __________________ My OOTP Wishlist \| My FAQ List OOTP Wiki \| Your Recommended Team Nicknames, By City (A Crowdsourced Project) For Beta/Devs: Full screen (1920x1080)

11-17-2008, 03:15 PM	#4
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	Yeah, it has to be a longer period than 1 sim length or, as you said, players will clear at the very end of the sim.

11-17-2008, 04:14 PM	#5
bwburke94 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Belchertown, MA, USA Posts: 4,522	Waivers 8, DFA 14 would be my ideal setting. Of course, I don't play online.

11-17-2008, 05:52 PM	#6
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,538	Waivers 8, DFA 15. You need one sim for GMs to realize that a player is on waivers and another sim for the waiving GM to realize that his player wasn't accepted so that he can demote him.