What does the Lahman database have against Michigan?

David Watts · 07-10-2008, 11:45 PM

Jim Northrup was born in Breckinridge Michigan, the database --Breckenridge Texas

Verne Ruhle was born in Coleman Michigan, the database--Coleman Texas

Roger Mason was born in Bellaire Michigan, the database--you guessed it Bellaire Texas

I am outraged, and my inferiority complex is growing larger by the minute

dsvitak · 07-10-2008, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

Jim Northrup was born in Breckinridge Michigan, the database --Breckenridge Texas

Verne Ruhle was born in Coleman Michigan, the database--Coleman Texas

Roger Mason was born in Bellaire Michigan, the database--you guessed it Bellaire Texas

I am outraged, and my inferiority complex is growing larger by the minute

Jim Northrup was an underrated player...one of my favorites for a long time, back in the day.

abear2008 · 07-11-2008, 12:06 AM

The Lahman database is just being kind to the ball players mentioned, as everyone would rather to have been born in Texas than in Michigan.

The Wolf · 07-11-2008, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by abear2008

The Lahman database is just being kind to the ball players mentioned, as everyone would rather to have been born in Texas than in Michigan.

pwned

David Watts · 07-11-2008, 12:36 AM

abear---Have you ever been to the fine town of Breckinridge Michigan? No finer town is there. Unless you want to talk Merrill or Marion Springs

Spritze · 07-11-2008, 02:42 AM

If these towns are in Yooper land the Lahman people had no choice but to move them to Texas. Yoopers are known to be infectious.

Kelric · 07-11-2008, 04:26 AM

O - H - I - O

(its a tuff werd to speil)

abear2008 · 07-11-2008, 06:24 AM

I have been to Texas, but I admit never to the Michigan. But why would I ever go to Michigan. Never has something happened there that would require anyone to go there.

Sdpm100 · 07-11-2008, 07:40 AM

Much like the "game doesn't know names" fact, the game also doesn't know states (or regions I think is the technical term we should use).

Ceej · 07-11-2008, 09:10 AM

Same thing happened to entire country of Canada - I open up historical leagues from the 1950s-60s, I see all the Latin American countries represented.... Reno Bertoia is correctly identified as Italian, the Scotsman Bobby Thomson is correctly identified as well...

...but no Canadians. Ted Bowsfield is listed as from Vernon, Conn. when he's from Vernon, British Columbia. Even members of the Canadian Baseball Hall of Fame such as Phil Marchildon and Montreal-born Sherry Robertson are listed as American. It looks as if whoever put the historical data together had access to lists of players born in other countries, but not Canada. Maybe Michigan was considered to be part of Canada too?

Syd Thrift · 07-11-2008, 11:21 AM

Michigan:Texas::Canada:USA

zekester91 · 07-11-2008, 12:39 PM

The DB only has what town they where born in, the game then "picks" which of the states have that town for that player to be from. It's almost a random thing but not, it always picks the first state, but by state ID which is in an order I haven't fugiured out yet.

Solonor · 07-11-2008, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by zekester91

The DB only has what town they where born in, the game then "picks" which of the states have that town for that player to be from. It's almost a random thing but not, it always picks the first state, but by state ID which is in an order I haven't fugiured out yet.

That is not true. The Lahman db has city, state and country. If it's happening, it's not Lahman's fault. It's OOTP's, and this needs to be moved to Tech Support.

Documentation for Version 5.5 - baseball1.com

zekester91 · 07-11-2008, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Solonor

That is not true. The Lahman db has city, state and country. If it's happening, it's not Lahman's fault. It's OOTP's, and this needs to be moved to Tech Support.

Documentation for Version 5.5 - baseball1.com

It's been happening for 3 versions now, OOTP only looks at city when it inports players, and picks a state for them, is this something new for Ver 5.5 maybe Markus hasn't seen the updated feilds yet.

Solonor · 07-11-2008, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by zekester91

It's been happening for 3 versions now, OOTP only looks at city when it inports players, and picks a state for them, is this something new for Ver 5.5 maybe Markus hasn't seen the updated feilds yet.

No, I think it's always been in Lahman. OOTP has just always done it wrong.

EDIT: I just verified that birth city, state and country have been in Lahman since at least 2002 in version 4.5.

Solonor · 07-11-2008, 02:05 PM

Went ahead and reported this as BZ1706.

StyxNCa · 07-11-2008, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by zekester91

The DB only has what town they where born in, the game then "picks" which of the states have that town for that player to be from. It's almost a random thing but not, it always picks the first state, but by state ID which is in an order I haven't fugiured out yet.

The city/state combo has to appear in the game cities database. Many towns aren't there. I do miss the old version, before OOTP6 where you could just type in a city/state combo and it would stick. Since they started using a cities database in OOTP 6 you can no longer type in the city & state and have them stick unless they are listed in the game's database.

I don't know why they started that system. There are just too many cities and towns in the country to put them all in there. I think they had a minimum population they used to decide which ones were included.

Solonor · 07-11-2008, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by StyxNCa

The city/state combo has to appear in the game cities database. Many towns aren't there. I do miss the old version, before OOTP6 where you could just type in a city/state combo and it would stick. Since they started using a cities database in OOTP 6 you can no longer type in the city & state and have them stick unless they are listed in the game's database.

I don't know why they started that system. There are just too many cities and towns in the country to put them all in there. I think they had a minimum population they used to decide which ones were included.

The thing that bugs me the most is that you were supposed to be able to correct the cities.txt and re-import it. There's still a function to re-import, but it has never worked.

In any case, I don't understand why the cities.txt doesn't already have every birth city and state from the Lahman master.csv in it. So what if the population and long/lat data is wrong? Just put in all the places with dummy data for that.

zekester91 · 07-11-2008, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Solonor

The thing that bugs me the most is that you were supposed to be able to correct the cities.txt and re-import it. There's still a function to re-import, but it has never worked.

In any case, I don't understand why the cities.txt doesn't already have every birth city and state from the Lahman master.csv in it. So what if the population and long/lat data is wrong? Just put in all the places with dummy data for that.

That would then mess up the "play close to home" feature. It might also have something to do with local populatity (that is also broken). might also hurt the natinality thing if blank/wrong.

Solonor · 07-11-2008, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by zekester91

That would then mess up the "play close to home" feature. It might also have something to do with local populatity (that is also broken). might also hurt the natinality thing if blank/wrong.

Worse than having him be from Texas instead of Michigan?

07-10-2008, 11:45 PM	#1
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,833 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	What does the Lahman database have against Michigan? Jim Northrup was born in Breckinridge Michigan, the database --Breckenridge Texas Verne Ruhle was born in Coleman Michigan, the database--Coleman Texas Roger Mason was born in Bellaire Michigan, the database--you guessed it Bellaire Texas I am outraged, and my inferiority complex is growing larger by the minute

07-11-2008, 02:42 AM	#6
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	Yoopers? If these towns are in Yooper land the Lahman people had no choice but to move them to Texas. Yoopers are known to be infectious.

07-11-2008, 06:24 AM	#8
abear2008 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 26	Been to Michigan I have been to Texas, but I admit never to the Michigan. But why would I ever go to Michigan. Never has something happened there that would require anyone to go there.

07-11-2008, 12:39 PM	#12
zekester91 All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,122	The DB only has what town they where born in, the game then "picks" which of the states have that town for that player to be from. It's almost a random thing but not, it always picks the first state, but by state ID which is in an order I haven't fugiured out yet. __________________ Bobby Bowden must have a hell of a recruiting pitch, "Son if you come on down to Tallahasee, you just might be able to watch me die during practice!" The road was closed while the Hartford Police Department's bomb squad came and blew up the chicken.

07-11-2008, 02:05 PM	#16
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07-11-2008, 12:06 AM	#3
abear2008 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 26	The Lahman database is just being kind to the ball players mentioned, as everyone would rather to have been born in Texas than in Michigan.

07-11-2008, 12:36 AM	#5
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,833 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	abear---Have you ever been to the fine town of Breckinridge Michigan? No finer town is there. Unless you want to talk Merrill or Marion Springs

07-11-2008, 04:26 AM	#7
Kelric Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Greater Boston Area Posts: 3,992	O - H - I - O (its a tuff werd to speil)

07-11-2008, 07:40 AM	#9
Sdpm100 Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Cheltenham, England Posts: 7,644	Much like the "game doesn't know names" fact, the game also doesn't know states (or regions I think is the technical term we should use).

07-11-2008, 09:10 AM	#10
Ceej Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 190	Same thing happened to entire country of Canada - I open up historical leagues from the 1950s-60s, I see all the Latin American countries represented.... Reno Bertoia is correctly identified as Italian, the Scotsman Bobby Thomson is correctly identified as well... ...but no Canadians. Ted Bowsfield is listed as from Vernon, Conn. when he's from Vernon, British Columbia. Even members of the Canadian Baseball Hall of Fame such as Phil Marchildon and Montreal-born Sherry Robertson are listed as American. It looks as if whoever put the historical data together had access to lists of players born in other countries, but not Canada. Maybe Michigan was considered to be part of Canada too?