OOTP WEBPAGES USING BMPS for logos?!?!?

zyk · 03-28-2003, 10:13 PM

WHY OH WHY!!!!!

UGHHHHHHHHH..... make it so the logos for the ootp5 generated webpages are in jpeg.... BMPS are evil, they take up WAY more space then jpeg images and makes load the page over the net way too slow....

http://www.fragoff.org/ngbl/stats/box.html

page loads sooooooo slow... just because of the bmps.. you dont use BMPS on webpages period!!!! What was the logic in using this setup?

Cooleyvol · 03-28-2003, 10:21 PM

Lets all calm down, here..........

zyk · 03-28-2003, 10:24 PM

lol thats as calm as i get! =)

Henry · 03-28-2003, 10:44 PM

Markus made an attempt to switch to JPGs in Version 5 but had some problems and had to drop the conversion in order to meet the release date. I'm sure he'll try again at some point.

Henry

tcblcommish · 03-29-2003, 12:10 AM

I just tried viewing the link that you had and it all popped up for me in about 5 seconds....

I am on cable so I guess that's why

Unfriendlybob · 03-29-2003, 01:17 AM

Right after I upload the html files I take the box.html and do a find-replace on all the img tags to take them out. With the bmps, the total size of box.html was over 2 mb. That's way too big for a web page.

Not to mention that bmps don't show up on some browsers.

chinaski · 03-29-2003, 05:44 AM

down with bmps!

kq76 · 03-29-2003, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by chinaski
down with bmps!

*picks up a protest sign and marches along with the group*

Smellyface · 03-29-2003, 02:15 PM

Boo to the bmps!

MVPlaya · 03-29-2003, 02:16 PM

yea BMPS are bad, i've seen worse, PNG. PNG takes 10000 years to load even with a cable modem.

kq76 · 03-29-2003, 02:19 PM

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Originally posted by RDizzle3
yea BMPS are bad, i've seen worse, PNG. PNG takes 10000 years to load even with a cable modem.

PNGs worse than BMPs?? I think someone needs to convert a BMP into a PNG and see the size diff.

EDIT: I just converted a 67KB BMP into a 4KB PNG, same size as a JPEG, but better quality than a JPEG

MVPlaya · 03-29-2003, 02:30 PM

are you sure???? cuz a site had PNG and it toook forever too load.

kq76 · 03-29-2003, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RDizzle3
are you sure???? cuz a site had PNG and it toook forever too load.

I'm sure. I'm a big proponent of PNG just for the simple fact that even though it has such a small file size it retains much of an image's quality. Now granted, not all converted PNGs will have the same file size as JPEGs, some will be larger, but it should never even be close to as big as a BMP.

EDIT: I should elaborate. For a "photo" image, a PNG will be fairly large (tho not as large as a BMP), but for a simple homemade graphic (OOTP team logo?), it should be close if not equal to the size of a JPEG. It basically has to do with how detailed the image is.

MVPlaya · 03-29-2003, 02:47 PM

I just keep my images GIF... I use adobe and go to Save for Web and ues that because it has the best quality...jpg is ok because the quality isn't all that great..

kq76 · 03-29-2003, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RDizzle3
I just keep my images GIF... I use adobe and go to Save for Web and ues that because it has the best quality...jpg is ok because the quality isn't all that great..

You might want to read more about what image formats suit what type of images best. I suspect that you are probably making your images' file sizes much larger than need be (and perhaps in actuality losing, not gaining quality) if you are saving them all as GIFs.

Here's a short article that may help:

http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/...html?tw=design

clarnzz · 03-29-2003, 04:30 PM

Oh come on zyk, who doesnt use .bmp on websites?

Every OOTP5 website Ive seen is using them.

Think you need to get with the program buddy.

Draft Dodger · 03-29-2003, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by clarnzz
Oh come on zyk, who doesnt use .bmp on websites?

Every OOTP5 website Ive seen is using them.

uh, you know why that is, right?

zyk · 03-29-2003, 07:47 PM

to kill the bandwidth on our servers!!!

clarnzz · 03-29-2003, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Draft Dodger
uh, you know why that is, right?

My theory:

Markus has economical ties with certain .bmp manufacturers making it in his financial best interests to continue with .bmp files despite the issues they cause.

He likely feels that if we are at the point where what type of image files ottp websites use, we are probably die hard enough OOTPers that we will overlook it and move on, while he continues to line his pockets with the .bmp spoils at the expense of zyks bandwidth.

03-28-2003, 10:13 PM	#1
zyk Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: vegas Posts: 177	OOTP WEBPAGES USING BMPS for logos?!?!? WHY OH WHY!!!!! UGHHHHHHHHH..... make it so the logos for the ootp5 generated webpages are in jpeg.... BMPS are evil, they take up WAY more space then jpeg images and makes load the page over the net way too slow.... http://www.fragoff.org/ngbl/stats/box.html page loads sooooooo slow... just because of the bmps.. you dont use BMPS on webpages period!!!! What was the logic in using this setup?

03-29-2003, 02:15 PM	#9
Smellyface Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 211	Boo to the bmps! __________________ Corked Bat Baseball League

03-28-2003, 10:21 PM	#2
Cooleyvol Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Union City, TN Posts: 6,383	Lets all calm down, here..........

03-28-2003, 10:24 PM	#3
zyk Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: vegas Posts: 177	lol thats as calm as i get! =)

03-28-2003, 10:44 PM	#4
Henry Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,498	Markus made an attempt to switch to JPGs in Version 5 but had some problems and had to drop the conversion in order to meet the release date. I'm sure he'll try again at some point. Henry

03-29-2003, 12:10 AM	#5
tcblcommish Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 3,439	I just tried viewing the link that you had and it all popped up for me in about 5 seconds.... I am on cable so I guess that's why

03-29-2003, 01:17 AM	#6
Unfriendlybob Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Georgia Posts: 16	Right after I upload the html files I take the box.html and do a find-replace on all the img tags to take them out. With the bmps, the total size of box.html was over 2 mb. That's way too big for a web page. Not to mention that bmps don't show up on some browsers.

03-29-2003, 05:44 AM	#7
chinaski Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: end of the bar Posts: 296	down with bmps!

03-29-2003, 02:16 PM	#10
MVPlaya Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 46	yea BMPS are bad, i've seen worse, PNG. PNG takes 10000 years to load even with a cable modem.

03-29-2003, 02:30 PM	#12
MVPlaya Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 46	are you sure???? cuz a site had PNG and it toook forever too load.

03-29-2003, 02:47 PM	#14
MVPlaya Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 46	I just keep my images GIF... I use adobe and go to Save for Web and ues that because it has the best quality...jpg is ok because the quality isn't all that great..

03-29-2003, 04:30 PM	#16
clarnzz All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Following everyone off a cliff. Posts: 1,522	Oh come on zyk, who doesnt use .bmp on websites? Every OOTP5 website Ive seen is using them. Think you need to get with the program buddy.

03-29-2003, 07:47 PM	#18
zyk Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: vegas Posts: 177	to kill the bandwidth on our servers!!!