OOTP/Cal Ripken Baseball-Discuss - Page 3

Syd Thrift · 03-15-2008, 12:21 AM

This may sound strange coming from me, but... I'm not sure what is accomplished by insulting people for having opinions. 12 year old mentality? One of the guys mentioned Earl Weaver Baseball, for crying out loud. That game came out when today's 12 year old was -7 years old.

Raderick · 03-15-2008, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by mikev

No.

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If I want graphics, I'll play MLB The Show on my PSP.

Syd Thrift · 03-15-2008, 01:48 AM

Can we stop with the false dilemmas here? I hear that Worldwide Soccer Manager has a graphical element to it. So does Puresim for that matter. Have you ever walked by either of those games and mistaken them for MLB The Show?

Raderick · 03-15-2008, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

Can we stop with the false dilemmas here? I hear that Worldwide Soccer Manager has a graphical element to it. So does Puresim for that matter. Have you ever walked by either of those games and mistaken them for MLB The Show?

WWSM/FM gets a free pass because it's the best sports simulator on the market and they can afford to add 2D graphics. As for Puresim, it's, well, not a very good simulator to begin with.

lencombs · 03-15-2008, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

This may sound strange coming from me, but... I'm not sure what is accomplished by insulting people for having opinions. 12 year old mentality? One of the guys mentioned Earl Weaver Baseball, for crying out loud. That game came out when today's 12 year old was -7 years old.

12 year old's can fall in love with baseball simulations as much as thirty year olds..and hopefuly more so... Be it Earl Weaver baseball.. or OOTP..so long as the youth gain a desire to sim baseball no matter the medium, then we all win.....

Syd Thrift · 03-15-2008, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Raderick

WWSM/FM gets a free pass because it's the best sports simulator on the market and they can afford to add 2D graphics. As for Puresim, it's, well, not a very good simulator to begin with.

Nice logic, but ignoring that for a second... do either of them bear any resemblance to MLB The Show?

Raderick · 03-15-2008, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

Nice logic, but ignoring that for a second... do either of them bear any resemblance to MLB The Show?

My point was to focus on the issues that are present rather than taking a huge leap of adding a 2D or 3D engine.

And to answer your question, no they do not.

discodude5 · 03-15-2008, 03:33 AM

I think the idea of adding some graphics should be seriously thought about by Markus.

It probably won't happen for at least 2 years even if he starts to look into it today and by that time most of the big issues that people are having with the current version will be fixed.

If you look at how good mlb the show '08 is graphics wise and the power of the ps3 they could be on the way to developing a game similar to high heat which could take away sales from ootp.

So in a couple years ootp is going to need something new to keep people playing , if it's still just a text based game it might be a tough sell.

PSUColonel · 03-15-2008, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

Can we stop with the false dilemmas here? I hear that Worldwide Soccer Manager has a graphical element to it. So does Puresim for that matter. Have you ever walked by either of those games and mistaken them for MLB The Show?

It's not the graphical element that I oppose, it's 1)the manner in which many present their argument, and 2) the unrealistic goals that go along with that argument. The most we would get graphically is no more than what FM has, but many here are proposing an all out graphical representation of the game. They are acting as though they just can't play this game any longer without graphics(hence the 12 year-old mentality) when in fact this game was never intended to have graphics in the first place.

This game will never have graphics like "The Show" in the near to not too distant future. It just isn't that kind of game.

PSUColonel · 03-15-2008, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

This may sound strange coming from me, but... I'm not sure what is accomplished by insulting people for having opinions. 12 year old mentality? One of the guys mentioned Earl Weaver Baseball, for crying out loud. That game came out when today's 12 year old was -7 years old.

Did you read his post?

Originally Posted by ravinhood
Anyone who doesn't want graphics in this game are dimwits. It could easily be made an option so the dimwits can play their silly text based games only. For me I'm pretty much done buying into this series until they do add some kind of graphics representation or voice color commentary like ABPA. It doesn't have to be like FPSBB, go back and look at SSI's Baseball game in the 80's or even Microleague Baseball graphics. I don't want to read it no more, I WANT TO SEE IT.

MadMax58 · 03-15-2008, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ctorg

My ultimate experience would be to have OOTP-like control over a game that I'm watching on TV. So the closer I can get to that, the better. I do not want to be pushing buttons to swing or choosing which pitch to pitch or anything like that, but I'd love to have something like the Earl Weaver Manager Mode with OOTP as its engine.

This is inline with my own personal way of playing. I dont want to swing, or physically control the action...I just want to GM, manage, & then watch the results of those actions.

But just because I want things like that, does not mean I want to leave lingering issues alone to focus on graphics. Knowing that OOTP is not a 5-10 person development, it does have to make priorities and I dont care how nice the graphics are in any other game...I simply cant get into a game with seriously flawed sim results(aka the console style games).

But I see nothing wrong with people talking, voicing opinion, and debating what an OOTP graphical playout might look like...or should consist of. It's interesting to hear what others think of as ideal.

johnnybourbon · 03-15-2008, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by MadMax58

I dont want to swing, or physically control the action...I just want to GM, manage, & then watch the results of those actions.

I must preface this with: I am just a text simmer.
Like other posts that I've made on improvements for OOTP in the future, I must admit that some type of graphical representation of the action would be a huge selling point for the game....and after all, doing h2h gaming would be rather dull without some kind of visual.
Back in the past, when I did play out games, I didn't want to swing or pitch to a pinpoint location. I wanted to pick a pitch and a location, and let the game model base where the pitch went based on the pitchers ratings. I wanted to pick a type of swing and let the game craft where the ball ended up based on the batters ratings.
I probably wont play out a single game for the rest of my life (unless they get h2h...or I'm playing wii sports baseball), but having something graphical-anything graphical would be good for the future of this franchise.

conception · 03-15-2008, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Raderick

My point was to focus on the issues that are present rather than taking a huge leap of adding a 2D or 3D engine.

And to answer your question, no they do not.

Truthfully, I wouldn't want the gameplay of the game to be sacrificed just for the sake of graphics either. But a lot of people describe the "issues of the game" as if it is hugely flawed. It certainly is not perfect, but a lot of people on here make the game sound like it is a bucket of flaws when I'm still in the this game is remarkable camp.

kagnew35 · 03-15-2008, 11:01 AM

For more than 20 years, going back to Earl Weaver, I have wanted to have a game that was statistically accurate, graphically stimulating with HTH play so i can run a league that can be SOLD. Imagine starting over in 1901 with real rosters, using something like Yugma to broadcast games to an audiance and having HTH play. playing a "game of the week" out of a weekly sim and broadcasting it. I once had an older man from brooklyn offer me $10,000 for the dodgers in such a league, but alas, was no decent game sw to do it. i had envisioned selling "season tickets", not sure that was rfealistic but the possibilities are enourmous.

Put me down for a big YES on some decent graphics, and would also like sound to include pbp calls.

franco74 · 03-15-2008, 03:13 PM

Just look at the evolution of football manager - there is the best example of what the original post was trying to get at.

That being said - incorporating a basic graphics engine and sound engine would make the game much more immersive for me.

franco74 · 03-15-2008, 03:17 PM

Also in today's world of multi staffing incorporating a team of graphic programmers would not take anytime from what is going on now - it just takes $$$...
So some of you wealthy ootp- ers send Marcus a PM with some funding

The Wolf · 03-15-2008, 03:29 PM

I personally don't want graphics in OOTP, but I'm okay with the idea if it happens.

PSUColonel · 03-15-2008, 03:35 PM

I actually like the idea of a broadcast better than graphics

David Watts · 03-15-2008, 05:23 PM

My favorite features of OOTP7 & 8 are by far the ability to choose instant PBP and short PBP. I play out all my teams games and both features allow me do finish a season a whole lot faster. For me graphics would be a cool feature for big games, all-star games and the post season, but for the most part, I would play the game without graphics. I guess that makes me a DIMWIT. Of course, my lack of a need for graphics probably has something to do with my age also, I am 43 years old, and grew up playing this type game with dice, charts, and a scoresheet that my dad printed at his office when no one was looking.

I do have one question, it has always seemed to me that the majority of the people that love this game, sim rather than play out games, therefore why the big need for graphics and for that matter sound?

Of course, as long as this game does not require us to purchase season disks, it will always hold back when it comes to solving bugs and problems.

David Watts · 03-15-2008, 05:29 PM

My favorite features of OOTP7 & 8 are by far the ability to choose instant PBP and short PBP. I play out all my teams games and both features allow me do finish a season a whole lot faster. For me graphics would be a cool feature for big games, all-star games and the post season, but for the most part, I would play the game without graphics. I guess that makes me a DIMWIT. Of course, my lack of a need for graphics probably has something to do with my age also, I am 43 years old, and grew up playing this type game with dice, charts, and a scoresheet that my dad printed at his office when no one was looking.

I do have one question, it has always seemed to me that the majority of the people that love this game, sim rather than play out games, therefore why the big need for graphics and for that matter sound?

Of course, as long as this game does not require us to purchase season disks, it will always hold back when it comes to solving bugs and problems.

03-15-2008, 11:01 AM	#54
kagnew35 All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Las Vegas, Nev Posts: 1,965	My Dream For more than 20 years, going back to Earl Weaver, I have wanted to have a game that was statistically accurate, graphically stimulating with HTH play so i can run a league that can be SOLD. Imagine starting over in 1901 with real rosters, using something like Yugma to broadcast games to an audiance and having HTH play. playing a "game of the week" out of a weekly sim and broadcasting it. I once had an older man from brooklyn offer me $10,000 for the dodgers in such a league, but alas, was no decent game sw to do it. i had envisioned selling "season tickets", not sure that was rfealistic but the possibilities are enourmous. Put me down for a big YES on some decent graphics, and would also like sound to include pbp calls. __________________ Elder Statesman of the Board http://www.soxxcountry.com/ site with FaceGen Central and Duffys Tavern Live OOTP Chat Room

03-15-2008, 03:33 AM	#48
discodude5 Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Saskatchewan Posts: 371	I think the idea of adding some graphics should be seriously thought about by Markus. It probably won't happen for at least 2 years even if he starts to look into it today and by that time most of the big issues that people are having with the current version will be fixed. If you look at how good mlb the show '08 is graphics wise and the power of the ps3 they could be on the way to developing a game similar to high heat which could take away sales from ootp. So in a couple years ootp is going to need something new to keep people playing , if it's still just a text based game it might be a tough sell.

03-15-2008, 03:13 PM	#55
franco74 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: california Posts: 117	Just look at the evolution of football manager - there is the best example of what the original post was trying to get at. That being said - incorporating a basic graphics engine and sound engine would make the game much more immersive for me.

03-15-2008, 03:17 PM	#56
franco74 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: california Posts: 117	Also in today's world of multi staffing incorporating a team of graphic programmers would not take anytime from what is going on now - it just takes $$$... So some of you wealthy ootp- ers send Marcus a PM with some funding

03-15-2008, 03:35 PM	#58
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,143	I actually like the idea of a broadcast better than graphics

03-15-2008, 05:23 PM	#59
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 10,207 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	My favorite features of OOTP7 & 8 are by far the ability to choose instant PBP and short PBP. I play out all my teams games and both features allow me do finish a season a whole lot faster. For me graphics would be a cool feature for big games, all-star games and the post season, but for the most part, I would play the game without graphics. I guess that makes me a DIMWIT. Of course, my lack of a need for graphics probably has something to do with my age also, I am 43 years old, and grew up playing this type game with dice, charts, and a scoresheet that my dad printed at his office when no one was looking. I do have one question, it has always seemed to me that the majority of the people that love this game, sim rather than play out games, therefore why the big need for graphics and for that matter sound? Of course, as long as this game does not require us to purchase season disks, it will always hold back when it comes to solving bugs and problems.

03-15-2008, 05:29 PM	#60
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 10,207 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	My favorite features of OOTP7 & 8 are by far the ability to choose instant PBP and short PBP. I play out all my teams games and both features allow me do finish a season a whole lot faster. For me graphics would be a cool feature for big games, all-star games and the post season, but for the most part, I would play the game without graphics. I guess that makes me a DIMWIT. Of course, my lack of a need for graphics probably has something to do with my age also, I am 43 years old, and grew up playing this type game with dice, charts, and a scoresheet that my dad printed at his office when no one was looking. I do have one question, it has always seemed to me that the majority of the people that love this game, sim rather than play out games, therefore why the big need for graphics and for that matter sound? Of course, as long as this game does not require us to purchase season disks, it will always hold back when it comes to solving bugs and problems.