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CommishJoe · 10-30-2007, 10:19 AM

Would I have liked to see A-Rod sign an extension and stay with the Yankees? Of course assuming the extension was "realistic". Do I want to see them sign him to a 12 year contract at $30m per? Of course not. Now that he's a free agent, Boras will get stupid money for him from someone. I don't want that someone to be the Yankees.

They will miss his bat during the regular season, but I do believe they can compete without him. Especially if the youngins come through in the rotation. And, if Girardi handles the bullpen better than Torre did, that could also improve their chances.

Bottom line, I'm sad to see him go. But, now that he's turned and left, I hope the door hits him on the way out.

Gastric ReFlux · 10-30-2007, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by QuestGAV

Math > Chemistry.

Clubhouse Cancer Removal > Math > Chemistry

1998 Yankees · 10-30-2007, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by CommishJoe

Would I have liked to see A-Rod sign an extension and stay with the Yankees? Of course assuming the extension was "realistic". Do I want to see them sign him to a 12 year contract at $30m per? Of course not. Now that he's a free agent, Boras will get stupid money for him from someone. I don't want that someone to be the Yankees.

They will miss his bat during the regular season, but I do believe they can compete without him. Especially if the youngins come through in the rotation. And, if Girardi handles the bullpen better than Torre did, that could also improve their chances.

Bottom line, I'm sad to see him go. But, now that he's turned and left, I hope the door hits him on the way out.

These opinions seem to be common to the Yankees fans on this board. It makes me laugh when non-Yankee fans try to tell us how we should feel about A-Rod leaving the team.

Tony M · 10-30-2007, 10:55 AM

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What, is this a trick question?

Going by RBI's and assuming 2008 = 2007:

Rodriguez 3B 156 RBI's

Lowell 3B 120 RBI's
Any mutt or jeff 1B* 36 RBI's

That was the logic I was looking at until I realised it's not 36RBIs at 1B that are needed - it's 36 extra RBIs needed - I don't know how many the various 1Bers put up for the Yankees this season but it's going to be at least 40 I imagine, so you'd need a 76RBI 1B at least.

1998 Yankees · 10-30-2007, 10:59 AM

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That was the logic I was looking at until I realised it's not 36RBIs at 1B that are needed - it's 36 extra RBIs needed - I don't know how many the various 1Bers put up for the Yankees this season but it's going to be at least 40 I imagine, so you'd need a 76RBI 1B at least.

Oh, all right. With your reputation, redsoxford, I will accept the calculus!

Still, my general idea holds. You can make up for the loss of a 156 RBI man with two decent players, or one good one and one mediocre one, as long as other aspects of the team are maintained or enhanced. Such as, starting pitching. Working on that one.

Bryan Swartz · 10-30-2007, 12:44 PM

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no one player is indispensable. It was nice having him here this season, but he was not the answer. It's not my fandom talking when I say the Yankees have a good team without him and that they would have matched up well with this year's playoff finalists, with Scott Brosius playing 3B!

They wouldn't have sniffed the playoffs with Brosius, so any hypothetical 'matchup' would have been pointless. No one player is indispensable in baseball, but certainly you're better off having great ones than not.

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You can make up for the loss of a 156 RBI man with two decent players, or one good one and one mediocre one, as long as other aspects of the team are maintained or enhanced. Such as, starting pitching. Working on that one.

You need a good replacement and a CONSIDERABLE upgrade at another position to even come close. And upgrading that other position is not made possible by ARod leaving -- you can do that even if he stays.

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Clubhouse Cancer Removal > Math > Chemistry

Not even close, in the amounts being discussed here. We aren't talking a marginal vs. average player or something, where this might be important. We're talking about the best hitter in baseball.

1998 Yankees · 10-30-2007, 01:36 PM

Hey, Bryan! You want him? You can have him! Enjoy!

Says this Yankee fan, who all of a sudden is really tired of the subject.

mlyons · 10-30-2007, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

What, is this a trick question?

Going by RBI's and assuming 2008 = 2007:

Rodriguez 3B 156 RBI's

Lowell 3B 120 RBI's
Any mutt or jeff 1B* 36 RBI's

I think we can assume that this combination will be less expensive than A-Rod, yes?

* Phillips and Duncan = 42 RBI's. Notice that I left out Giambi.

My point is, no one player is indispensable. It was nice having him here this season, but he was not the answer. It's not my fandom talking when I say the Yankees have a good team without him and that they would have matched up well with this year's playoff finalists, with Scott Brosius playing 3B!

Phillips and Duncan are 42 RBI over half a season worth of playing time, so you need to pro-rate them over a full season (84) or add Mientkiewicz and Phelps into the mix (giving you 78). So to make up for replacing Rodriguez with Lowell, you need a first baseman who will give you 36 RBI more than you're already getting there -- someone good for about 115. And that's assuming RBI are actually worth a damn in this context, which they aren't. Use something less lineup dependent like THT's runs created and you've got a 55 run gap between Rodriguez and Lowell, meaning you have to find a first baseman 55 runs better than the 72 the Phillips/Duncan/Mientkiewicz/Phelps combo gave you. There were exactly seven players (none of whom play first base and one of whom is named Alex Rodriguez) who created that many runs or more last season, and the only one even remotely available is Miguel Cabrera.

(For the record, only 12 players in the big leagues drove in more than 115 runs last season.)

Bryan Swartz · 10-30-2007, 11:10 PM

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Hey, Bryan! You want him? You can have him! Enjoy!

In my dreams only, but I'd take him in a hearbeat

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bigdgp2 · 10-31-2007, 02:23 AM

A-Rod has a 1% chance of being a Cub.

I know, I know.. [obligatory]"So, you're telling me there's a chance."[/obligatory]

Seriously, I'd love to take A-Rod's 177 OPS+ and put it in my lineup. And for those that say that Posada would be harder to replace. There is a reason the top 3B/SS on the market will receive a $30M+ per year contract, and Posada will earn something along the lines of $16M per year.

That is all.

mlyons · 10-31-2007, 06:55 AM

Posada's 2007 season will be very difficult to replace, even if it's 2008 Posada who's replacing it. The odds of him coming back with another season like that one seem pretty low.

bigdgp2 · 10-31-2007, 10:08 AM

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Posada's 2007 season will be very difficult to replace, even if it's 2008 Posada who's replacing it. The odds of him coming back with another season like that one seem pretty low.

I stand corrected. I did not realize that Posada had a 154! OPS+ in 2007. I mean, I thought it would be high, but that's not much lower than A-Rods. I doubt a 2008 Posada could replace a 2007 Posada.

1998 Yankees · 10-31-2007, 10:49 AM

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Posada's 2007 season will be very difficult to replace, even if it's 2008 Posada who's replacing it.

LOL.

Cashman: "Jorge, we are looking for a replacement for you next season."

2007 Posada: "How about me?"

Cashman: "We considered you and would love to have you back but frankly, we don't think 2008 Posada can measure up to you."

2007 Posada: "I hate that future me. Why couldn't future me be as good as I?"

rudel.dietrich · 10-31-2007, 12:00 PM

Fortunatly the Yankees using player clones to keep the lineup forever youthful is a few decades off

1998 Yankees · 10-31-2007, 12:23 PM

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Fortunatly the Yankees using player clones to keep the lineup forever youthful is a few decades off

Hmmm. We have the technology . . .

Skipaway · 10-31-2007, 12:50 PM

It's time for the Yankees to sign Barry Bonds.

1998 Yankees · 10-31-2007, 01:32 PM

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It's time for the Yankees to sign Barry Bonds.

Hmmm. He has the technology . . .

CommishJoe · 11-02-2007, 02:55 PM

Maybe A-Rod will sign with Toledo

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7399122

Nukester · 11-02-2007, 03:22 PM

I was just listening to Mike and The Mad Dog on WFAN and they said.....and Boras is denying this.......that the talk around the league was that Boras was starting the bidding at 12 years / 400 million.....Thats insane. He'll be 44 by the time that contract would be up. Nobody is going to take that. Thats what the two blowhards here in NY were saying though. They also said so far the team that seems to be really salivating is the Angles. A couple of other teams were mentioned, but the only ones I remember for sure were Anaheim and San Francisco

CommishJoe · 11-02-2007, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Nukester

I was just listening to Mike and The Mad Dog on WFAN and they said.....and Boras is denying this.......that the talk around the league was that Boras was starting the bidding at 12 years / 400 million.....Thats insane. He'll be 44 by the time that contract would be up. Nobody is going to take that. Thats what the two blowhards here in NY were saying though. They also said so far the team that seems to be really salivating is the Angles. A couple of other teams were mentioned, but the only ones I remember for sure were Anaheim and San Francisco

Yeah, I heard those same numbers a week or so back. When Boras is involved, nothing surprises me.

10-30-2007, 10:19 AM	#41
CommishJoe Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,238	Would I have liked to see A-Rod sign an extension and stay with the Yankees? Of course assuming the extension was "realistic". Do I want to see them sign him to a 12 year contract at $30m per? Of course not. Now that he's a free agent, Boras will get stupid money for him from someone. I don't want that someone to be the Yankees. They will miss his bat during the regular season, but I do believe they can compete without him. Especially if the youngins come through in the rotation. And, if Girardi handles the bullpen better than Torre did, that could also improve their chances. Bottom line, I'm sad to see him go. But, now that he's turned and left, I hope the door hits him on the way out. __________________ Joe Success isn’t owned. It’s leased. And rent is due every day.

10-31-2007, 06:55 AM	#51
mlyons Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,725	Posada's 2007 season will be very difficult to replace, even if it's 2008 Posada who's replacing it. The odds of him coming back with another season like that one seem pretty low. __________________ Things can always be worse.

10-31-2007, 12:50 PM	#56
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	It's time for the Yankees to sign Barry Bonds. __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.

11-02-2007, 02:55 PM	#58
CommishJoe Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,238	Maybe A-Rod will sign with Toledo http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7399122 __________________ Joe Success isn’t owned. It’s leased. And rent is due every day.

10-30-2007, 01:36 PM	#47
1998 Yankees Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yankee Stadium, back in 1998. Posts: 8,645	Hey, Bryan! You want him? You can have him! Enjoy! Says this Yankee fan, who all of a sudden is really tired of the subject.

10-31-2007, 02:23 AM	#50
bigdgp2 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 606	A-Rod has a 1% chance of being a Cub. I know, I know.. [obligatory]"So, you're telling me there's a chance."[/obligatory] Seriously, I'd love to take A-Rod's 177 OPS+ and put it in my lineup. And for those that say that Posada would be harder to replace. There is a reason the top 3B/SS on the market will receive a $30M+ per year contract, and Posada will earn something along the lines of $16M per year. That is all.

10-31-2007, 12:00 PM	#54
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	Fortunatly the Yankees using player clones to keep the lineup forever youthful is a few decades off

11-02-2007, 03:22 PM	#59
Nukester All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Newburgh, NY Posts: 1,923	I was just listening to Mike and The Mad Dog on WFAN and they said.....and Boras is denying this.......that the talk around the league was that Boras was starting the bidding at 12 years / 400 million.....Thats insane. He'll be 44 by the time that contract would be up. Nobody is going to take that. Thats what the two blowhards here in NY were saying though. They also said so far the team that seems to be really salivating is the Angles. A couple of other teams were mentioned, but the only ones I remember for sure were Anaheim and San Francisco