To Yankees fans, your jinx has been lifted

silvam14 · 10-29-2007, 11:24 AM

I have to say as a sox fan, that I will be more wary of the Yankees next year becuase their, biggest cancer, A-Rod will be gone.

I'd like to know how this development is sitting with Yankee univserse

Discuss

CommishJoe · 10-29-2007, 12:02 PM

Winning it all is much more than just 1 person, even one of A-Rod's talent. The Yankee teams from 96-00 didn't really have any "super stars" on them. Yes, they had a lot of talent with Bernie, Paulie, Cone, Rivera and the like but no one like A-Rod.

With Giardi at manager, Hughes/Chamerlain/Kennedy fighting for spots in the rotation, Cabrera/Cano continuing to grow, I like the Yankees chances next year even without A-Rod. Personally, I feel Posada would be harder to replace.

1998 Yankees · 10-29-2007, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CommishJoe

Winning it all is much more than just 1 person, even one of A-Rod's talent. The Yankee teams from 96-00 didn't really have any "super stars" on them. Yes, they had a lot of talent with Bernie, Paulie, Cone, Rivera and the like but no one like A-Rod.

With Giardi at manager, Hughes/Chamerlain/Kennedy fighting for spots in the rotation, Cabrera/Cano continuing to grow, I like the Yankees chances next year even without A-Rod. Personally, I feel Posada would be harder to replace.

""^^^, all of it. The Yankees need a new approach on the field as well as in the dugout.

Jonzard · 10-29-2007, 02:58 PM

I wish the Twins could get some A-Rod cancer.

thomamon · 10-29-2007, 04:06 PM

I kinda feel the Yankees are in a transition period. Whether they make it to the post season or not has alot to do with what happens this off season.

Guys like Mo and Posada, I'm on the fence about returning. Kinda want them back, kinda wouldn't mind if they walked.

Russ · 10-29-2007, 04:13 PM

The Yanks should really consider trading for Eckstein and converting him to third. He's seriously clutch.

Nukester · 10-29-2007, 04:23 PM

I was hoping he would stay. Its alot of money, but thats nothing to the Yankees, and its going to be hard to replace a .310 50+ HR guy in the lineup. No, he is not very clutch, but he didnt lose against Cleveland all by himself. I think Wang gets alot of the blame there. Jeter stunk up the joint too. I would certainly fear the Yankee lineup more with him in it than without him. Cabera/Cano/Etc shouldnt really scare anybody. Who's going to play there now ? Eric Chavez ? Anyone else ? Maybe Armaris Ramirez ?

I love Posada too, but hes a 35 year old catcher that catches almost every game. Im not so sure I would want to give him the money (and more importantly the number of years) he is going to want. Hes bound to fade sooner than later.

Seeing Donnie Baseball leave the organization has been a harder pill to swallow for me though. Still, I think Girardi was the right choice

mikev · 10-29-2007, 04:36 PM

Eric Chavez for Melky Cabrera, let's make it happen. Thx.

CommishJoe · 10-29-2007, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mikev

Eric Chavez for Melky Cabrera, let's make it happen. Thx.

HA! Let's not

I know that A-Rod's bat will be impossible to replace from a pure #s standpoint. However, I do believe that the Yanks can win it all without him in the lineup. Especially if the trio of kids I mentioned make an impact in the rotation.

Now, if only Giambi would opt out of his contract *sigh*

Nukester · 10-29-2007, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by CommishJoe

HA! Let's not

I agree. I just threw that name out there because it was really the only one I can think of that might be available. I think he is way overrated. Good player, but not as good as they try to make him out to be. From what I heard, The A' want Phil Hughes for Chavez.....No thanks, Ill pass.

mikev · 10-29-2007, 05:10 PM

Erm. Beane wouldn't be dumb enough to ask for Hughes for Chavez. To the Yanks, 11m per year isn't a big deal for a great defense, OK offense third baseman. To Oakland, 11m per year is what the franchise player is gonna be paid. Chavez hasn't become the offensive force that he's been expected to be year in and year out. Getting out of his contract would be huge for Oakland and it would have a lot to do with trading him straight up for somebody instead of for a package of high ceiling guys.

redmarkYankees · 10-29-2007, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CommishJoe

Winning it all is much more than just 1 person, even one of A-Rod's talent. The Yankee teams from 96-00 didn't really have any "super stars" on them. Yes, they had a lot of talent with Bernie, Paulie, Cone, Rivera and the like but no one like A-Rod.

With Giardi at manager, Hughes/Chamerlain/Kennedy fighting for spots in the rotation, Cabrera/Cano continuing to grow, I like the Yankees chances next year even without A-Rod. Personally, I feel Posada would be harder to replace.

Agreed. I started watching baseball, and supporting the Yankees, in the mid 90s with Pettite, Rivera, Posada, Jeter and Williams coming through, with 'graft' players like O'Neill and Martinez. Loved it. I've barely been able to raise an interest for the Giambi, Sheffield, A-Rod era. Should never have traded Soriano

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rudel.dietrich · 10-29-2007, 05:46 PM

I will take a .314/.422/.645 jinx onto my team any goddamn day of the week and for a doubleheader on sunday

mlyons · 10-29-2007, 05:57 PM

I'm sorry, I fail to see any benefit at all in removing Rodriguez from the Yankee lineup. It'd be one thing if this was a team like Oakland or Seattle where you know the money they won't be paying him will go towards two or three other players, but the Yankees don't care what individual players cost. Removing his $20 or $30 million from the payroll isn't freeing up space for some need that they just wouldn't have been able to fill without his salary coming off the books or anything. The choice is basically between a team with Alex Rodriguez at third base and the same team with some other guy at third base, and the team with Alex Rodriguez will always be better.

mikev · 10-29-2007, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

I will take a .314/.422/.645 jinx onto my team any goddamn day of the week and for a doubleheader on sunday

^ gets it

redmarkYankees · 10-29-2007, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mlyons

I'm sorry, I fail to see any benefit at all in removing Rodriguez from the Yankee lineup. It'd be one thing if this was a team like Oakland or Seattle where you know the money they won't be paying him will go towards two or three other players, but the Yankees don't care what individual players cost. Removing his $20 or $30 million from the payroll isn't freeing up space for some need that they just wouldn't have been able to fill without his salary coming off the books or anything. The choice is basically between a team with Alex Rodriguez at third base and the same team with some other guy at third base, and the team with Alex Rodriguez will always be better.

Chemistry.

Bryan Swartz · 10-29-2007, 06:11 PM

Any supposed chemistry gain isn't worth losing the best hitter in baseball. The Yankees issues have a lot more to do with guys who ain't what they used to be(Jeter and Rivera, just to name a couple).

QuestGAV · 10-29-2007, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by redmarkYankees

Chemistry.

Math > Chemistry.

Russ · 10-29-2007, 06:17 PM

I can't believe this is even being argued. He's the best player in baseball by a comfortable margin. Pujols in a good year is the only one that comes close. It is impossible for a team to benefit by losing a player like A-Rod.

Skipaway · 10-29-2007, 07:31 PM

Jinx isn't something reasonable anyway!

10-29-2007, 11:24 AM	#1
silvam14 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Dedham, MA Posts: 9,939	To Yankees fans, your jinx has been lifted I have to say as a sox fan, that I will be more wary of the Yankees next year becuase their, biggest cancer, A-Rod will be gone. I'd like to know how this development is sitting with Yankee univserse Discuss __________________ Senior "Nancy Boy" of the OOTP Boards _______________________________________________

10-29-2007, 12:02 PM	#2
CommishJoe Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,238	Winning it all is much more than just 1 person, even one of A-Rod's talent. The Yankee teams from 96-00 didn't really have any "super stars" on them. Yes, they had a lot of talent with Bernie, Paulie, Cone, Rivera and the like but no one like A-Rod. With Giardi at manager, Hughes/Chamerlain/Kennedy fighting for spots in the rotation, Cabrera/Cano continuing to grow, I like the Yankees chances next year even without A-Rod. Personally, I feel Posada would be harder to replace. __________________ Joe Success isn’t owned. It’s leased. And rent is due every day.

10-29-2007, 02:58 PM	#4
Jonzard Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,647	I wish the Twins could get some A-Rod cancer. __________________ For a scientist must indeed be freely imaginative and yet skeptical, creative and yet a critic. There is a sense in which he must be free, but another in which his thought must be very precisely regimented; there is poetry in science, but also a lot of bookkeeping. — Sir Peter B. Medawar FTB

10-29-2007, 04:06 PM	#5
thomamon Global Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 5,274	I kinda feel the Yankees are in a transition period. Whether they make it to the post season or not has alot to do with what happens this off season. Guys like Mo and Posada, I'm on the fence about returning. Kinda want them back, kinda wouldn't mind if they walked. __________________ Thomas A. Montalto Please check out my Stupid Little Blog - http://www.stupidlittleblog.com

10-29-2007, 04:13 PM	#6
Russ All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Essex HON! Posts: 1,923 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	The Yanks should really consider trading for Eckstein and converting him to third. He's seriously clutch. __________________ If you don't love Russ, you don't love America. This post brought to you by Carl's Jr.

10-29-2007, 04:23 PM	#7
Nukester All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Newburgh, NY Posts: 1,923	I was hoping he would stay. Its alot of money, but thats nothing to the Yankees, and its going to be hard to replace a .310 50+ HR guy in the lineup. No, he is not very clutch, but he didnt lose against Cleveland all by himself. I think Wang gets alot of the blame there. Jeter stunk up the joint too. I would certainly fear the Yankee lineup more with him in it than without him. Cabera/Cano/Etc shouldnt really scare anybody. Who's going to play there now ? Eric Chavez ? Anyone else ? Maybe Armaris Ramirez ? I love Posada too, but hes a 35 year old catcher that catches almost every game. Im not so sure I would want to give him the money (and more importantly the number of years) he is going to want. Hes bound to fade sooner than later. Seeing Donnie Baseball leave the organization has been a harder pill to swallow for me though. Still, I think Girardi was the right choice Last edited by Nukester; 10-29-2007 at 04:25 PM.

10-29-2007, 04:36 PM	#8
mikev Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 4,014	Eric Chavez for Melky Cabrera, let's make it happen. Thx. __________________ Global Unified Baseball Association - Vice Commish and Oakland Oaks GM

10-29-2007, 05:10 PM	#11
mikev Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 4,014	Erm. Beane wouldn't be dumb enough to ask for Hughes for Chavez. To the Yanks, 11m per year isn't a big deal for a great defense, OK offense third baseman. To Oakland, 11m per year is what the franchise player is gonna be paid. Chavez hasn't become the offensive force that he's been expected to be year in and year out. Getting out of his contract would be huge for Oakland and it would have a lot to do with trading him straight up for somebody instead of for a package of high ceiling guys. __________________ Global Unified Baseball Association - Vice Commish and Oakland Oaks GM

10-29-2007, 05:46 PM	#13
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	I will take a .314/.422/.645 jinx onto my team any goddamn day of the week and for a doubleheader on sunday

10-29-2007, 05:57 PM	#14
mlyons Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,725	I'm sorry, I fail to see any benefit at all in removing Rodriguez from the Yankee lineup. It'd be one thing if this was a team like Oakland or Seattle where you know the money they won't be paying him will go towards two or three other players, but the Yankees don't care what individual players cost. Removing his $20 or $30 million from the payroll isn't freeing up space for some need that they just wouldn't have been able to fill without his salary coming off the books or anything. The choice is basically between a team with Alex Rodriguez at third base and the same team with some other guy at third base, and the team with Alex Rodriguez will always be better. __________________ Things can always be worse.

10-29-2007, 06:11 PM	#17
Bryan Swartz Major Leagues Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 457	Any supposed chemistry gain isn't worth losing the best hitter in baseball. The Yankees issues have a lot more to do with guys who ain't what they used to be(Jeter and Rivera, just to name a couple). Last edited by Bryan Swartz; 10-29-2007 at 06:13 PM.

10-29-2007, 06:17 PM	#19
Russ All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Essex HON! Posts: 1,923 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	I can't believe this is even being argued. He's the best player in baseball by a comfortable margin. Pujols in a good year is the only one that comes close. It is impossible for a team to benefit by losing a player like A-Rod. __________________ If you don't love Russ, you don't love America. This post brought to you by Carl's Jr.

10-29-2007, 07:31 PM	#20
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	Jinx isn't something reasonable anyway! __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.