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Jestre · 10-27-2007, 10:47 PM

Did you guys see the sign a Rockie fan had early in the game: "Big Papi eats Big Boogers"!!! Can't wait to listen to WEEI monday and hear the whinerline on that one.

1998 Yankees · 10-28-2007, 12:09 AM

After midnight here, but I'm glad I stuck with this game. 6-5, top of the 8th. This is the crucial point of the WS, IMO. Sox win, it's pretty much over. Rox win, they have a chance. It all comes down to these two innings.

Edit: Gosh. A Lugo walk, a Coco Crispie single, a bloop double by Ellsbury down the RF line that Hawpe misses by inches, followed by a double by Pedroia, and the Sox are ahead again by 9-5. "Turn out the lights, the party's over."

mauboy · 10-28-2007, 12:13 AM

That about does it.

1998 Yankees · 10-28-2007, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by mauboy

That about does it.

Well, the good news is that I didn't have to see Manny admiring another home run while standing at the plate with his arms raised. I could have sworn that I was about to see that just now, but he flied out to end the inning. Still two more innings, but Rockies gotta score five. I think they've had their runs quota for the night already.

Edit: Wow, Papelbon almost gave up a three run HR to Holliday there. That would have made things a bit interesting.

Edit 2: Hats off to these Red Sox. Lowell singles, gets sacrificed to second by Cora, steals third, and scores on a fly out. Isn't the NL team supposed to be manufacturing runs like that?

Edit 3: Well, that's that. What are we looking at here, another AL sweep?

RchW · 10-28-2007, 01:36 AM

Take nothing away from the Red Sox. They are clearly the best team in Baseball. I can't help thinking that MLB and TV ruined what could have been an exquisite series by the inane schedule for the playoffs.

Tony M · 10-28-2007, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

Edit 2: Hats off to these Red Sox. Lowell singles, gets sacrificed to second by Cora, steals third, and scores on a fly out. Isn't the NL team supposed to be manufacturing runs like that?

25 runs scored by Boston in the WS so far, only 1 of them has come from a Home Run - that's damn good on-field run production.

Tony M · 10-28-2007, 10:34 AM

Well, the big question is will it all be over tonight or will Beckett get the chance to go 5-0 tomorrow?

If the game is in Boston's favour after 8 and it's not a save situation, I think it would be nice to stick Beckett in for the 9th and let him record the final three outs of the season (I can't see him doing a Gagne)

It's very reminiscent of 2004 this year

ALDS - sweep of the Angels
ALCS - come back from 3-1 down to win pennant
WS - win the first 3 before completing sweep.

Elendil · 10-28-2007, 10:38 AM

Yet another boring WS.

thehatfield · 10-28-2007, 10:44 AM

Nice double switch Francona when he brought Cora in.

Tony M · 10-28-2007, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Elendil

Yet another boring WS.

Game 2 was close and it got a bit exciting towards the end of the 7th yesterday.

But how do you make it more exciting without trying to coerce the rules into something else? The Red Sox are clearly a class above the Rockies (and the Rockies managed to sweep two teams in the NL and one of those teams swept another team).

The two teams that should have contested the World Series this year were the Red Sox and Indians but because they are both AL teams that's an impossibility.

If the playoffs were seeded from 1 to 8 on the playing records of the six divisional winners and the one wildcard from each division you'd have a first round of playoffs pitting each AL team against an NL team which in all likelihood would have resulted in the 4 AL teams progressing, and then there'd be people up in arms that the NL wasn't represented in the World Series.

Because the leagues have different rules regarding the DH it's only fair that the final playoff should be between the champions of the two leagues but with such a disparity this year between the two (the Cubs had the 12th best record in the Majors and were behind the Mets and Padres who didn't qualify).

The simple solution would be to get rid of the divisional structure and the playoffs consist of the top 4 teams based on record in both the AL and NL - it's only down to that geographical quirk that the Padres weren't the fourth NL playoff team.

myasu · 10-28-2007, 11:45 AM

The Red Sox offense has been incredible for the past week or so.

As Redsoxford mentioned, it is unbelievable that there has been just one home run in the WS. great patience at the plate, tons of runs after two outs, lots of doubles... it has just been amazing.

The schedule thing might have spoiled the momentum the Rockies had, but I still think that this Red Sox team deserves some words of praise.
It is at least as good as the 2004 Red Sox, and IMO, it is better over all.

myasu · 10-28-2007, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by redsoxford

Game 2 was close and it got a bit exciting towards the end of the 7th yesterday.

But how do you make it more exciting without trying to coerce the rules into something else? The Red Sox are clearly a class above the Rockies (and the Rockies managed to sweep two teams in the NL and one of those teams swept another team).

The two teams that should have contested the World Series this year were the Red Sox and Indians but because they are both AL teams that's an impossibility.

If the playoffs were seeded from 1 to 8 on the playing records of the six divisional winners and the one wildcard from each division you'd have a first round of playoffs pitting each AL team against an NL team which in all likelihood would have resulted in the 4 AL teams progressing, and then there'd be people up in arms that the NL wasn't represented in the World Series.

Because the leagues have different rules regarding the DH it's only fair that the final playoff should be between the champions of the two leagues but with such a disparity this year between the two (the Cubs had the 12th best record in the Majors and were behind the Mets and Padres who didn't qualify).

The simple solution would be to get rid of the divisional structure and the playoffs consist of the top 4 teams based on record in both the AL and NL - it's only down to that geographical quirk that the Padres weren't the fourth NL playoff team.

Recent NL teams to win the WS
2006: Cardinals
2003: Marlins
2001: D-Backs

Recent AL teams to win the WS
2002: Angels
2004: Red Sox
2005: White Sox

I think it is little too early to say that, Redsoxford!

Tony M · 10-28-2007, 11:57 AM

I love the way you can get stats to any end you desire.

taking the post-seasons from 2005, 2006 and 2007

A-Rod - 1 RBI
Dice-K - 2 RBI

Tony M · 10-28-2007, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by myasu

Recent NL teams to win the WS
2006: Cardinals
2003: Marlins
2001: D-Backs

Recent AL teams to win the WS
2002: Angels
2004: Red Sox
2005: White Sox

I think it is little too early to say that, Redsoxford!

Yes, I know it's a 3-3 split over the last 6 years but the NL has not produced the best two teams overall in that period once, and IIRC the AL has done that twice (three if you include 2007).

Not one world series since 2001 has featured the top two regular season teams.

The World Series is a 7 game series and you don't guarantee a win by being the best team (quite often the Wild Card ends up the winner).

1998 Yankees · 10-28-2007, 01:39 PM

If A-Rod walks, I would not mind Mike Lowell coming "home" to New York.

Elendil · 10-28-2007, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by redsoxford

Game 2 was close and it got a bit exciting towards the end of the 7th yesterday.

But how do you make it more exciting without trying to coerce the rules into something else?

Oh, I don't think you can. The chips have to fall where they may. It's just unfortunate for baseball that there hasn't been much excitement nationwide over a World Series since...well, probably the Yankees-D'backs series, as much as I hate to admit it. (I'm a lifelong Astros fan & rooted for them in 2005, but even I would admit that was a boring series, despite every game's being close.)

darkcloud4579 · 10-28-2007, 02:45 PM

If people are so preoccupied with having the "best" two teams in the World Series every year, then there isn't a need for playoffs at all. Unfortunately, playoffs add revenue and interest in the sport for the casual fan and that improves the product overall, even if people complain of "sloppily" played series.

I tend to think that the "boring" Series are the ones that help us appreciate the special ones that much more.

I say if a team qualifies for the playoffs and manages to win 11 games to capture the title, they're the best team that year. The regular season isn't about determine who the best playoffs teams are, it's giving you the right to vye for bragging rights that go with being the World Series champion.

But I realize a lot of people see this differently. I think the regular season is too long and that it would be a lot better to sacrifice say, 12-18 regular season games, in favour of realignment similar to that of the NFL (and yes, I know people hate that too...tough.) and allowing 16 of 30 (and eventually 32) teams in the MLB playoffs.

If a team can win 16 games (each round best 4 out of 7) and start the season a week earlier, you'll get a situation where the best teams will emerge 8 times out of 10, which is a lot better than now, which is almost totally based on division structure and geographic quirks.

Especially since baseball doesn't have a salary cap and probably never will, the only way to make things fair, is to find some way to provide an incentive for teams to be able to participate in the post-season.

Purists would gladly kill off the sport rather than submit to having it appeal to more people, but as the world adapts, the league has to do it, too.

darkcloud4579 · 10-28-2007, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Elendil

Oh, I don't think you can. The chips have to fall where they may. It's just unfortunate for baseball that there hasn't been much excitement nationwide over a World Series since...well, probably the Yankees-D'backs series, as much as I hate to admit it. (I'm a lifelong Astros fan & rooted for them in 2005, but even I would admit that was a boring series, despite every game's being close.)

The 2003 World Series was great, even if people didn't care. It was just great.

The Sox Guy · 10-28-2007, 02:54 PM

Today doesn't really feel like a day where the Red Sox could win a World Series.

I hate it.

Doughnuts? · 10-28-2007, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by redsoxford

I love the way you can get stats to any end you desire.

taking the post-seasons from 2005, 2006 and 2007

A-Rod - 1 RBI
Dice-K - 2 RBI

You don't have to qualify it. Clearly, Dice-K is more clutch.

10-27-2007, 10:47 PM	#161
Jestre All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: North Smithfield,Ri,USA Posts: 612	Did you guys see the sign a Rockie fan had early in the game: "Big Papi eats Big Boogers"!!! Can't wait to listen to WEEI monday and hear the whinerline on that one. __________________ My eyes perceive the present, but my roots are imbedded deeply in the grandeur of the past. "Chief Meyers"

10-28-2007, 12:09 AM	#162
1998 Yankees Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yankee Stadium, back in 1998. Posts: 8,645	After midnight here, but I'm glad I stuck with this game. 6-5, top of the 8th. This is the crucial point of the WS, IMO. Sox win, it's pretty much over. Rox win, they have a chance. It all comes down to these two innings. Edit: Gosh. A Lugo walk, a Coco Crispie single, a bloop double by Ellsbury down the RF line that Hawpe misses by inches, followed by a double by Pedroia, and the Sox are ahead again by 9-5. "Turn out the lights, the party's over." Last edited by 1998 Yankees; 10-28-2007 at 12:17 AM.

10-28-2007, 01:36 AM	#165
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10-28-2007, 10:34 AM	#167
Tony M Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Here Posts: 6,156	Well, the big question is will it all be over tonight or will Beckett get the chance to go 5-0 tomorrow? If the game is in Boston's favour after 8 and it's not a save situation, I think it would be nice to stick Beckett in for the 9th and let him record the final three outs of the season (I can't see him doing a Gagne) It's very reminiscent of 2004 this year ALDS - sweep of the Angels ALCS - come back from 3-1 down to win pennant WS - win the first 3 before completing sweep. __________________ This signature is intentionally blank

10-28-2007, 10:38 AM	#168
Elendil Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the dynasty forum Posts: 2,318	Yet another boring WS. __________________ Heaven is kicking back with a double Talisker and a churchwarden stuffed with latakia.

10-28-2007, 12:13 AM	#163
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10-28-2007, 11:45 AM	#171
myasu All Star Starter Join Date: May 2007 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 1,491	The Red Sox offense has been incredible for the past week or so. As Redsoxford mentioned, it is unbelievable that there has been just one home run in the WS. great patience at the plate, tons of runs after two outs, lots of doubles... it has just been amazing. The schedule thing might have spoiled the momentum the Rockies had, but I still think that this Red Sox team deserves some words of praise. It is at least as good as the 2004 Red Sox, and IMO, it is better over all. __________________ myasu Bill Spaceman Lee- "The other day they asked me about mandatory drug testing. I said I believed in drug testing a long time ago. All through the sixties I tested everything."

10-28-2007, 11:57 AM	#173
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10-28-2007, 01:39 PM	#175
1998 Yankees Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yankee Stadium, back in 1998. Posts: 8,645	If A-Rod walks, I would not mind Mike Lowell coming "home" to New York.

10-28-2007, 02:45 PM	#177
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