Marquez-Vazquez spoiler thread - Page 2

meade95 · 08-05-2007, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

They way he stumbled backwards I think we should be thanking the ref for giving us a third fight ... 10 more seconds and there might not of been another Marquez fight, let alone a third fight.

The majority disagree with you on this one - Including both fighters, Hell even Vasquez is saying Marquez could have survived the round....but he still feels he would have taken him out within the next couple.....(which he very well may have).

The notion that Marquez was a few punches from death is serious hyperbole drama -

It was a great fight......But a champion and P4P Top-10 fighter should be given more than the benefit of the doubt before a Ref jumps in and waves it off.......Having watched it several times now....I believe the stoppage was a little early and it seems all involved (and that includes the Ref) are saying as much.

Either way.....The third fight between these two is going to be great. A real "pick'em" - I'd expect Marquez to box a little more early before going for the KO -

mh2365 · 08-05-2007, 02:48 PM

Yeah I'm probably overreacting but I just watched it again and I saw nothing in Marquez's eyes that said he was still there, plus both knees locked up as he was moving off the ropes. The ref saved him from 7 to 10 more punches.

meade95 · 08-05-2007, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

Yeah I'm probably overreacting but I just watched it again and I saw nothing in Marquez's eyes that said he was still there, plus both knees locked up as he was moving off the ropes. The ref saved him from 7 to 10 more punches.

I agree - That Vasquez likely ends matters via another knockdown in the 6th.....or in the rounds following....He was the stronger looking of the two.....However, I also believe Marquez should have been given the chance to fall on his sheild or land one of his own bombs while doing so.....

The third fight will be a classic - Each guy needs 6 months off -

mh2365 · 08-05-2007, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by meade95

The third fight will be a classic - Each guy needs 6 months off -

Agree 100% .. probably PPV

a87star · 08-05-2007, 07:35 PM

If the third fight is PPV.....that card will be worth every penny, no matter how bad the undercard is. Hopefully they wouln't put Caballero as the co- main event against some no hoper.

meade95 · 08-05-2007, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by a87star

If the third fight is PPV.....that card will be worth every penny, no matter how bad the undercard is. Hopefully they wouln't put Caballero as the co- main event against some no hoper.

The perfect card would be ..

Marquez Vs Vasquez III ...

With the main undercard bout being

C. Caballero Vs the winner of Ponce DeLeon Vs Rey Bautista fight -

a87star · 08-05-2007, 09:03 PM

I think Ponce DeLeon has improved since his first fight with Caballero and IMO would make him a slight favorite in the rematch. It should a be a good fight regardless.

meade95 · 08-05-2007, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by a87star

I think Ponce DeLeon has improved since his first fight with Caballero and IMO would make him a slight favorite in the rematch. It should a be a good fight regardless.

I'd still go with Caballero - By the same UD as their first match -

Caballero was definitely off last night.....Did not look as sharp as he has over the past 2 years.........His next fight will be telling......If this was just a blip or if he has peaked.....

Heck Ponce had his hands full with an older JBW in his last defense in Penalosa....

mh2365 · 08-05-2007, 09:40 PM

As long as Caballero insists on bending over at the waist everytime he throws a punch, he won't go far. That was the only time I've seen him so I don't know if it was a pattern but from what I saw he sucked.

meade95 · 08-05-2007, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

As long as Caballero insists on bending over at the waist everytime he throws a punch, he won't go far. That was the only time I've seen him so I don't know if it was a pattern but from what I saw he sucked.

I'll give you Caballero looked average at best last night - And no, it isn't typical of him to box "small" as he did continually last night.....Though give
Lacierva credit....Perhaps him steamrolling inside brought Caballero "down" to fight small.....(bending over)....

I do believe Caballero could have had a swelled head...and has been reading plenty of his own press clippings suggesting he is one of the best JFW in the world.....and talk of him moving up and winning another title, etc, etc....

mh2365 · 08-05-2007, 10:39 PM

I'll give him another chance but everytime he fired a shot to the head or body from the outside last night he dipped down to about 5'3" ... I can't see him beating anyone good .. but hey he did handle Ponce pretty easily.

We'll see but he wasn't the Paul Williams of the Super Bantam Division last night LOL.

Mad Bomber · 08-06-2007, 10:31 AM

Boy, am I sorry to have missed this one. I was away and just returned a few minutes ago, and although I knew who won already, I was mildly surprised, and
can't wait to see the rebroadcast.

Greg

mh2365 · 08-06-2007, 12:18 PM

Take away the 10th round of Corrales-Castillo and this fight was every bit as good.

meade95 · 08-06-2007, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

Take away the 10th round of Corrales-Castillo and this fight was every bit as good.

Agree completely - And who knows?...Had the ref not jumped in when he did.....Marquez may have shocked everyone by pulling out his own KO of an on-rushing Vasquez....just the way Corrales did to Castillo....

a87star · 08-06-2007, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by meade95

Agree completely - And who knows?...Had the ref not jumped in when he did.....Marquez may have shocked everyone by pulling out his own KO of an on-rushing Vasquez....just the way Corrales did to Castillo....

I got that same feeling, too. Right before the ref stopped the fight, there were a few times when Marquez was fighting back from the onslaught from Vasquez and some big shots landed. From my perspective it looked like Vasquez was stunned briefly but he kept throwing punches, making sure that Marquez wasn't let off the hook to score a knockdown of his own.

mh2365 · 08-06-2007, 01:54 PM

I don't think Vazquez cuts had more than a round or so left. That was a bad call by the ref on the cut over Vazquez's right eye. It was clearly an accidental head butt and it was the same clash of heads that started the swelling under Marquez's right eye.

a87star · 08-06-2007, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

I don't think Vazquez cuts had more than a round or so left. That was a bad call by the ref on the cut over Vazquez's right eye. It was clearly an accidental head butt and it was the same clash of heads that started the swelling under Marquez's right eye.

I agree Mike. The cut over Vasquez's right eye and the bruise/cut under Marquez's right eye was caused by an accidental clash of heads.

The cut over Vasquez's left eye was caused by a punch. Either way, if the fight was stopped due to the cut from the clash of heads, Vasquez would have won because he was ahead on the cards before the KO.

mh2365 · 08-06-2007, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by a87star

I agree Mike. The cut over Vasquez's right eye and the bruise/cut under Marquez's right eye was caused by an accidental clash of heads.

The cut over Vasquez's left eye was caused by a punch. Either way, if the fight was stopped due to the cut from the clash of heads, Vasquez would have won because he was ahead on the cards before the KO.

Except the ref ruled the one over the right eye (and the left for that matter) was from a punch.

a87star · 08-06-2007, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

Except the ref ruled the one over the right eye (and the left for that matter) was from a punch.

If that was the case, Marquez would have won by TKO causing even more controversy. Not sure if there would be a rematch then because Vasquez would have been stopped twice due to an injury.

Originally I thought both cuts were caused by punches but then after you brought up how cuts were situated, it made more sense that it was an accidental headbutt.

That ref really had a bad night. LOL

mh2365 · 08-06-2007, 06:44 PM

I didn't watch it live .. when I heard them say that it was from a punch I rewinded it and to me it looked like it was clearly from a head butt.

08-06-2007, 10:31 AM	#32
Mad Bomber All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,566	Boy, am I sorry to have missed this one. I was away and just returned a few minutes ago, and although I knew who won already, I was mildly surprised, and can't wait to see the rebroadcast. Greg __________________ Keep on Punchin' There are three things that go on a fighter, first your reflexes go, then your chin goes, and then your friends go. Willie Pep

08-05-2007, 02:48 PM	#22
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	Yeah I'm probably overreacting but I just watched it again and I saw nothing in Marquez's eyes that said he was still there, plus both knees locked up as he was moving off the ropes. The ref saved him from 7 to 10 more punches.

08-05-2007, 07:35 PM	#25
a87star Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Staten Island, NY Posts: 4,850	If the third fight is PPV.....that card will be worth every penny, no matter how bad the undercard is. Hopefully they wouln't put Caballero as the co- main event against some no hoper.

08-05-2007, 09:03 PM	#27
a87star Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Staten Island, NY Posts: 4,850	I think Ponce DeLeon has improved since his first fight with Caballero and IMO would make him a slight favorite in the rematch. It should a be a good fight regardless.

08-05-2007, 09:40 PM	#29
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	As long as Caballero insists on bending over at the waist everytime he throws a punch, he won't go far. That was the only time I've seen him so I don't know if it was a pattern but from what I saw he sucked.

08-05-2007, 10:39 PM	#31
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	I'll give him another chance but everytime he fired a shot to the head or body from the outside last night he dipped down to about 5'3" ... I can't see him beating anyone good .. but hey he did handle Ponce pretty easily. We'll see but he wasn't the Paul Williams of the Super Bantam Division last night LOL.

08-06-2007, 12:18 PM	#33
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	Take away the 10th round of Corrales-Castillo and this fight was every bit as good.

08-06-2007, 01:54 PM	#36
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	I don't think Vazquez cuts had more than a round or so left. That was a bad call by the ref on the cut over Vazquez's right eye. It was clearly an accidental head butt and it was the same clash of heads that started the swelling under Marquez's right eye.

08-06-2007, 06:44 PM	#40
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	I didn't watch it live .. when I heard them say that it was from a punch I rewinded it and to me it looked like it was clearly from a head butt.