Teixeira bidding heating up - Page 2

Prodigal Son · 07-27-2007, 07:12 PM

Honestly, and I know this will sound crazy...I'd rather see McCann go.

I don't get really crazy about young players too often, but Salty just has "it." And the more expensive McCann can bring us more in terms of finding a quality starting pitcher.

Salty has a better arm than McCann's, switch hits (!), is not ridiculously slow like B-Mac (which worries me about how he will age) and is cheaper and locked up for longer. Additionally, McCann could probably draw more on the market to get us a pitcher...perhaps a top-of-the-rotation caliber arm. And if we trade McCann for a legit #2 guy (which I think is feasible), Salty will do just fine at C this season, and then we can use Andrus/Harrison/Lillibridge or whomever to pick up one of the decent-but-not-great 1B's on the market right now.

If you add a pitcher who is a McCann-caliber player to this team, plus a league-average or slightly below first baseman and have Salty behind the plate, that's as good or better than a team with the current rotation--if you want to call it that--plus Teixeira. And it's certainly better long-term, especially if Teix leaves in a year and a half (which is very, very likely).

I know it's blasphemous to talk about trading McCann, but I just have a feeling that we'll regret this one if we trade Salty, McCann could get us more (teams weren't willing to move younger quality arms for Salty, but probably would for McCann), and Salty is cheaper. I don't think I'm off my rocker here...

CMH · 07-28-2007, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by PotatoPeeler

That's how deadline deals work, though. The Dodgers need an impact bat now, not an impact bat three years from now. I'm sure if they pulled the trigger and ended up winning the World Series, Dodger fans would be happy with the trade off, even if Loney goes on to be a Hall of Famer.

You're right but it's not like Teixeira is this big time homerun hitter. I don't know what happened to his power but he's looking a lot like Shawn Green, albeit still producing all across the board.

I say Loney and Teixeira will have similar stats from the deadline till the end of the season.

rudel.dietrich · 07-28-2007, 12:53 AM

Why would the Dodgers treade Loney for Tex?
Loney for a 23 year old looks rather good

PotatoPeeler · 07-28-2007, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Prodigal Son

Honestly, and I know this will sound crazy...I'd rather see McCann go.

I don't get really crazy about young players too often, but Salty just has "it." And the more expensive McCann can bring us more in terms of finding a quality starting pitcher.

Salty has a better arm than McCann's, switch hits (!), is not ridiculously slow like B-Mac (which worries me about how he will age) and is cheaper and locked up for longer. Additionally, McCann could probably draw more on the market to get us a pitcher...perhaps a top-of-the-rotation caliber arm. And if we trade McCann for a legit #2 guy (which I think is feasible), Salty will do just fine at C this season, and then we can use Andrus/Harrison/Lillibridge or whomever to pick up one of the decent-but-not-great 1B's on the market right now.

If you add a pitcher who is a McCann-caliber player to this team, plus a league-average or slightly below first baseman and have Salty behind the plate, that's as good or better than a team with the current rotation--if you want to call it that--plus Teixeira. And it's certainly better long-term, especially if Teix leaves in a year and a half (which is very, very likely).

I know it's blasphemous to talk about trading McCann, but I just have a feeling that we'll regret this one if we trade Salty, McCann could get us more (teams weren't willing to move younger quality arms for Salty, but probably would for McCann), and Salty is cheaper. I don't think I'm off my rocker here...

The problem is that the Braves have already pretty much made a commitment to McCann so there are about two chances of seeing him dealt at the deadline. Slim and none.

Sdpm100 · 07-28-2007, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by YankeePride

You're right but it's not like Teixeira is this big time homerun hitter. I don't know what happened to his power but he's looking a lot like Shawn Green, albeit still producing all across the board.

I say Loney and Teixeira will have similar stats from the deadline till the end of the season.

I don't think it's a loss of power per se, it's just that he's had slow starts to both the past two seasons.

The more concerning pattern for whoever, if anyone, trades for Tex before the deadline, is that in both the past two seasons, the Rangers have done better when he's either been struggling (start of 2006) or on the disabled list (recently).

swampdragon · 07-28-2007, 09:39 AM

Tex has won some games for the Rangers since he's been back. He's a good player. For a time, it looked like he'd be a 50 HR guy. Now it looks more like 25 or 30, but clutch hitting wouldn't be one of my worries. He also fields his position better than 90% of the first basemen in the majors. He's a massive upgrade over Julio Franco. The difference may get the Braves a division title.

PotatoPeeler · 07-28-2007, 01:17 PM

Except for Julio Franco is not the Braves starting 1B.

Big Hugg · 07-28-2007, 01:21 PM

Teixeira is a .265 career hitter outside of the cozy confines of Rangers Ballpark in Arlington.

mlyons · 07-28-2007, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by PotatoPeeler

Except for Julio Franco is not the Braves starting 1B.

Since they signed him, he's started 7 out of 9 games. Wouldn't that make him the starter?

Prodigal Son · 07-28-2007, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by PotatoPeeler

The problem is that the Braves have already pretty much made a commitment to McCann so there are about two chances of seeing him dealt at the deadline. Slim and none.

That's the general logic, but there's no reason he couldn't be dealt. It's not like in football where the Braves would have to pay his bonus; McCann's contract would shift entirely to the new team. And his reasonable contract would be a big plus to any interested team.

darkhorse · 07-28-2007, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Hugg

Teixeira is a .265 career hitter outside of the cozy confines of Rangers Ballpark in Arlington.

Yeah, Alfonso Soriano can't hit outside of Arlington either.

LOL

Joshv02 · 07-30-2007, 11:28 AM

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7074846

Rosenthal reports it as done.

jmaness84 · 07-30-2007, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshv02

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7074846

Rosenthal reports it as done.

I don't know how i'll like the trade in a few years, but Johnson, Renteria, Chipper, Teixeira, Jones, McCann, Francouer, and Willie Harris is a pretty tough lineup. Could be the best in the NL.

Jason Moyer · 07-30-2007, 01:37 PM

Certainly an upgrade for the Braves, but as far as I can tell they'd still only have the second or third best first baseman in their division (and Texeira is hardly a stud compared to the rest of the NL - Howard, Pujols, Fielder, Lee, Young, Helton, Berkman, Delgado). ESPN's current frontpage seems to think that a team with Ryan Howard playing first base should somehow feel threatened by the Braves picking up Teixeira.

PotatoPeeler · 07-30-2007, 01:47 PM

And why shouldn't they feel threatened? While it's true that Teixeira may not be the best hitting firstbaseman in the NL, the Braves are still filling a huge hole they've had in their lineup with this trade. I mean, it's not like the remainder of games this season are going to change to a homerun derby between the teams' respective firstbasemen.

PotatoPeeler · 07-30-2007, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jmaness84

I don't know how i'll like the trade in a few years, but Johnson, Renteria, Chipper, Teixeira, Jones, McCann, Francouer, and Willie Harris is a pretty tough lineup. Could be the best in the NL.

Yeah, it looks like the Braves are going to try the old Rockies' style of baseball, which I'm not to thrilled about. They still need help in the rotation and the bullpen. It'll be interesting to see if Schuerholz has anything else up his sleeve. It wouldn't surprise me if he did.

Mike Donlin · 07-30-2007, 01:56 PM

Texiera may get a boost coming from the AL to the NL, too--although the reverse hasn't been true of Barry Zito this year!

Prodigal Son · 07-30-2007, 02:09 PM

The Braves are built for the playoffs now, with a high-powered offense and two stud starting pitchers. The question is whether or not they can even get to the playoffs with such poor production from the #3-#5 spots in the rotation.

Steve Kuffrey · 07-30-2007, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Moyer

Certainly an upgrade for the Braves, but as far as I can tell they'd still only have the second or third best first baseman in their division (and Texeira is hardly a stud compared to the rest of the NL - Howard, Pujols, Fielder, Lee, Young, Helton, Berkman, Delgado). ESPN's current frontpage seems to think that a team with Ryan Howard playing first base should somehow feel threatened by the Braves picking up Teixeira.

Well, the likely reason for that is that Howard can only play one position in the field and at bat, as can other players.......it's still a team effort.

PotatoPeeler · 07-30-2007, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Kuffrey

Well, the likely reason for that is that Howard can only play one position in the field and at bat, as can other players.......it's still a team effort.

Which is exactly what I was getting at in my post. How the Phillies cannot be threatened by another team in their division upgrading at a position makes absolutely zero sense.

07-27-2007, 07:12 PM	#21
Prodigal Son All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Iahiodo a.k.a. the flyover Posts: 1,635	Honestly, and I know this will sound crazy...I'd rather see McCann go. I don't get really crazy about young players too often, but Salty just has "it." And the more expensive McCann can bring us more in terms of finding a quality starting pitcher. Salty has a better arm than McCann's, switch hits (!), is not ridiculously slow like B-Mac (which worries me about how he will age) and is cheaper and locked up for longer. Additionally, McCann could probably draw more on the market to get us a pitcher...perhaps a top-of-the-rotation caliber arm. And if we trade McCann for a legit #2 guy (which I think is feasible), Salty will do just fine at C this season, and then we can use Andrus/Harrison/Lillibridge or whomever to pick up one of the decent-but-not-great 1B's on the market right now. If you add a pitcher who is a McCann-caliber player to this team, plus a league-average or slightly below first baseman and have Salty behind the plate, that's as good or better than a team with the current rotation--if you want to call it that--plus Teixeira. And it's certainly better long-term, especially if Teix leaves in a year and a half (which is very, very likely). I know it's blasphemous to talk about trading McCann, but I just have a feeling that we'll regret this one if we trade Salty, McCann could get us more (teams weren't willing to move younger quality arms for Salty, but probably would for McCann), and Salty is cheaper. I don't think I'm off my rocker here... Last edited by Prodigal Son; 07-27-2007 at 07:13 PM.

07-28-2007, 09:39 AM	#26
swampdragon Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Lonely Mountain Posts: 2,506	Tex has won some games for the Rangers since he's been back. He's a good player. For a time, it looked like he'd be a 50 HR guy. Now it looks more like 25 or 30, but clutch hitting wouldn't be one of my worries. He also fields his position better than 90% of the first basemen in the majors. He's a massive upgrade over Julio Franco. The difference may get the Braves a division title. __________________ “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies." -- C.S. Lewis

07-28-2007, 01:17 PM	#27
PotatoPeeler Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Rapid City, SD Posts: 3,639	Except for Julio Franco is not the Braves starting 1B. __________________ 培傑西 I have never taken a lesson on how to talk on TV in my life. - Tim McCarver Guns have only two enemies; rust and liberals. The world is a comedy to those that think; a tragedy to those that feel.

07-30-2007, 11:28 AM	#32
Joshv02 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: , " Posts: 3,082	http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7074846 Rosenthal reports it as done. __________________ Brookline Maccabees. RIP

07-30-2007, 01:37 PM	#34
Jason Moyer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 5,106	Certainly an upgrade for the Braves, but as far as I can tell they'd still only have the second or third best first baseman in their division (and Texeira is hardly a stud compared to the rest of the NL - Howard, Pujols, Fielder, Lee, Young, Helton, Berkman, Delgado). ESPN's current frontpage seems to think that a team with Ryan Howard playing first base should somehow feel threatened by the Braves picking up Teixeira. __________________ "I pretty much popped everything cold turkey. We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses." -- Tom House "I was very fortunate to have a pitching coach by the name of Tom House...Tom, I really miss those days that we spent in the weight room and out on the field working together." -- Nolan Ryan's HoF Induction Speech

07-28-2007, 12:53 AM	#23
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	Why would the Dodgers treade Loney for Tex? Loney for a 23 year old looks rather good

07-28-2007, 01:21 PM	#28
Big Hugg All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2004 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 933	Teixeira is a .265 career hitter outside of the cozy confines of Rangers Ballpark in Arlington.

07-30-2007, 01:47 PM	#35
PotatoPeeler Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Rapid City, SD Posts: 3,639	And why shouldn't they feel threatened? While it's true that Teixeira may not be the best hitting firstbaseman in the NL, the Braves are still filling a huge hole they've had in their lineup with this trade. I mean, it's not like the remainder of games this season are going to change to a homerun derby between the teams' respective firstbasemen. __________________ 培傑西 I have never taken a lesson on how to talk on TV in my life. - Tim McCarver Guns have only two enemies; rust and liberals. The world is a comedy to those that think; a tragedy to those that feel.

07-30-2007, 01:56 PM	#37
Mike Donlin All Star Reserve Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Life, friends, is boring. Posts: 840	Texiera may get a boost coming from the AL to the NL, too--although the reverse hasn't been true of Barry Zito this year!

07-30-2007, 02:09 PM	#38
Prodigal Son All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Iahiodo a.k.a. the flyover Posts: 1,635	The Braves are built for the playoffs now, with a high-powered offense and two stud starting pitchers. The question is whether or not they can even get to the playoffs with such poor production from the #3-#5 spots in the rotation.