GMJ Signs With Angels - Page 3

APujols5 · 11-23-2006, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Astros33Resurrected

hes a solid player. But 10mill a year?

Honestly is he even a solid player? He's been cut by what? 4-5 teams and only had one other season besides this past season that could be called decent. His career numbers dont even suggest he should be a starter much less worth 10 mill

Skipaway · 11-24-2006, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by APujols5

Honestly is he even a solid player? He's been cut by what? 4-5 teams and only had one other season besides this past season that could be called decent. His career numbers dont even suggest he should be a starter much less worth 10 mill

I would say he's been a solid player since 2002. Not solid starter, but definitely solid player.

mlyons · 11-26-2006, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Skipaway

Ricky Ledee isn't good enough.

Ledee's pretty close to Matthews, actually. He's a year older and hasn't gotten as much playing time as Matthews, but his career numbers are very similar. The big question with him is whether last season's .188/.242/.329 in limited action means he's done or if he's capable of returning to the .278/.335/.443 line he put up in 2004. He probably won't give you as much production as Matthews, it's true, but the difference in money might be worth the difference in production.

Skipaway · 11-26-2006, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mlyons

Ledee's pretty close to Matthews, actually. He's a year older and hasn't gotten as much playing time as Matthews, but his career numbers are very similar. The big question with him is whether last season's .188/.242/.329 in limited action means he's done or if he's capable of returning to the .278/.335/.443 line he put up in 2004. He probably won't give you as much production as Matthews, it's true, but the difference in money might be worth the difference in production.

Their career number are similar in the sense that Ledee is about 90%-95% as good as Matthews Jr. To add on the fact Ledee has only seen limited actions mostly against righties, and just got a terrible year. Matthews Jr. has been a regular for two years, and coming off a good year.

I think it's too much to say Ledee fits the criteria of "95%" of Matthews Jr. Yes there is a chance for him to do that, but that isn't a good chance.

Dellucci on the other hand is very possible to perform better than Matthews Jr., but I have no idea how much money he could get on his next contract. I don't think it'd be cheap.

Nukester · 11-26-2006, 01:49 PM

Am I the only one that read this as GMJO Signs With Angels ?

Too much money IMHO. Matthews has never really even been starter material in the past. He's an ok player, and better than most bench guys, but thats a bit steep for his talents. Had a pretty good season last year, but can he do it again, and even if he does, is it worth that much money ? I dont think so

Skipaway · 11-29-2006, 04:10 AM

Apparently David Dellucci doesn't fit the 2 million criteria.

bababui · 11-29-2006, 04:13 AM

According to mlbtraderumors.com, this wasnt a bad signing

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- Angels sign Gary Matthews Jr. Most analysts hate this. Fortunately I am just some guy and not an official analyst, so I can disagree. I don't hate it. For this deal to be a true stinker, I'd have to be convinced that Matthews is not a good defensive CF. The panel of ten experts from Bill James's Handbook this year ranked him fourth in the game for defense at the position. The bar isn't too high to be an above average offensive CF. Sum it up, and I see a player who's above average in both aspects of the game. Would you rather have a dinosaur like Dave Roberts or Kenny Lofton chasing flies out there? The Angels can afford to overpay in terms of years.

Joshv02 · 11-29-2006, 08:38 AM

MLBtraderumors is the dumbest website around.

Man does this make the Damon signing look fantastic last year. I guess it makes every signing look great last year - but Damon in particular.

Russ · 11-29-2006, 09:27 AM

Considering the amount of money, I think that this might be considered the worst FA signing ever. Maybe Carl Pavano. Okay, second behind Carl Pavano.

CMH · 11-29-2006, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by bababui

According to mlbtraderumors.com, this wasnt a bad signing

I do think that Matthews defense was valued more by the Angels than his offense.

But, defense alone isn't worth 10 million dollars. At least, I don't think so.

Skipaway · 11-29-2006, 11:50 AM

I think the Angels simply used Erstad's last contract as the yardstick for Matthews Jr.

mikev · 11-29-2006, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Russ

Considering the amount of money, I think that this might be considered the worst FA signing ever. Maybe Carl Pavano. Okay, second behind Carl Pavano.

Chan Ho Park says hi.

CMH · 11-29-2006, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Skipaway

I think the Angels simply used Erstad's last contract as the yardstick for Matthews Jr.

Or Matthews Jr. and his agent did.

bababui · 06-09-2007, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by darkhorse

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Originally Posted by bababui

Given the market its a good signing. Matthews plays good defense and is an all-around player. Better than signing Juan Pierre.

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Originally Posted by darkhorse

Just off the top of my head, Pierre is younger and had more good seasons than GMJ. Now I'll go off and check my assumptions.

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Originally Posted by Raidergoo

Prior to last season, Matthews was a career .249 hitter who had played for six teams in seven major-league seasons.

That makes him worth 1 yr, $800,000.

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Originally Posted by MuertoDesagradecido

This is an absurd signing, and don't badmouth the Little Cat contract. $14m over 3 years for the big half of an outfield platoon isn't bad at all in this market.

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Originally Posted by Green & Gold Heart

As an A's fan, this signing makes me go

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Originally Posted by Cooleyvol

My God...........I can play as well as GMJ. Maybe I should have filed.

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Originally Posted by YankeePride

More people should complain about this deal than they did with Alex and his 250 million.

Matthews Jr. should be sentenced to 5 years in state prison for grand larceny.

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Originally Posted by APujols5

This is possibly the worst contract ever given out in MLB.
10 mill per for a guy that has been at best a 5th OF'er for most of his career? that's ******ed.

JWay · 06-09-2007, 02:34 PM

lol

darkhorse · 06-09-2007, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bababui

I'm happy GMJ is playing well and may end up with a season every bit as good as 2006. He wasn't a good bet to repeat his performance this season or any year of the $50 million contract. Which was kinda the point of all the snickering.

darkhorse · 06-09-2007, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by darkenigma510

Hope you lads enjoy him. I'll miss the Cat in Toronto this year.

I bet you wouldn't take him back now, .176/.272/.374, or swap Kevin Ahrens for him.

Spielman · 06-09-2007, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by broken clock

Given the market its a good signing. Matthews plays good defense and is an all-around player. Better than signing Juan Pierre.

One down, one to go!

Skipaway · 06-09-2007, 02:57 PM

Matthews' performance so far this year is between his career line and 2006. He definitely still doesn't look like a good bet to repeat his performances of 2006.

bababui · 06-09-2007, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Skipaway

Matthews' performance so far this year is between his career line and 2006. He definitely still doesn't look like a good bet to repeat his performances of 2006.

One reason why stats are incomplete and can be inaccurate in rating the value of a player is that they dont give a true picture of a players defensive worth. Matthews has been golden in CF for the Angels saving many a run with great catches and keeping runners from taking extra bases with his arm. And he plays everyday.

11-29-2006, 04:10 AM	#46
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	Apparently David Dellucci doesn't fit the 2 million criteria. __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.

11-29-2006, 08:38 AM	#48
Joshv02 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: , " Posts: 3,082	MLBtraderumors is the dumbest website around. Man does this make the Damon signing look fantastic last year. I guess it makes every signing look great last year - but Damon in particular. __________________ Brookline Maccabees. RIP

11-29-2006, 11:50 AM	#51
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	I think the Angels simply used Erstad's last contract as the yardstick for Matthews Jr. __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.

06-09-2007, 02:57 PM	#59
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	Matthews' performance so far this year is between his career line and 2006. He definitely still doesn't look like a good bet to repeat his performances of 2006. __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.

11-26-2006, 01:49 PM	#45
Nukester All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Newburgh, NY Posts: 1,923	Am I the only one that read this as GMJO Signs With Angels ? Too much money IMHO. Matthews has never really even been starter material in the past. He's an ok player, and better than most bench guys, but thats a bit steep for his talents. Had a pretty good season last year, but can he do it again, and even if he does, is it worth that much money ? I dont think so

11-29-2006, 09:27 AM	#49
Russ All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Essex HON! Posts: 1,923 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Considering the amount of money, I think that this might be considered the worst FA signing ever. Maybe Carl Pavano. Okay, second behind Carl Pavano.

06-09-2007, 02:34 PM	#55
JWay Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Posts: 5,021	lol