GMJ Signs With Angels - Page 2

<Pion> · 11-22-2006, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by abailey3313

If you were a GM, you would never sign any mediocre players.

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darkenigma510 · 11-22-2006, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sdpm100

At least the Rangers will have Frank Catalanotto to hit leadoff.

Hope you lads enjoy him. I'll miss the Cat in Toronto this year.

<Pion> · 11-22-2006, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by bababui

Catalanotto is completely useless against lefties. GMJ good season might be tied to the fact he finally got a chance to play regularly. And some players are simply late bloomers...ie Brendan Donnelly.

GMJ didn't do much in 2003 when he played 144 games (513 PAs) or 2005 when he played 131 games (526 PAs).

I'd say the peak of his bell curve is probably around .270 with the edges of the bell being either he repeats his performance or slides back to .250 or below. But anything can happen and as an Angel's fan I'll hope for the repeat. But I sure don't understand this signing given the bucks.

MuertoDesagradecido · 11-22-2006, 05:38 PM

This is an absurd signing, and don't badmouth the Little Cat contract. $14m over 3 years for the big half of an outfield platoon isn't bad at all in this market.

Big Hugg · 11-22-2006, 05:41 PM

Catalanotto got the same contract Alex Gonzalez got.

He should fire his agent given the way this off-season is going.

Green & Gold Heart · 11-22-2006, 05:55 PM

As an A's fan, this signing makes me go

Big Willis 16 · 11-22-2006, 05:57 PM

I was hoping GMJ stood for "Greg Maddux Jr."

Cooleyvol · 11-22-2006, 06:25 PM

My God...........I can play as well as GMJ. Maybe I should have filed.

CMH · 11-22-2006, 06:25 PM

More people should complain about this deal than they did with Alex and his 250 million.

Matthews Jr. should be sentenced to 5 years in state prison for grand larceny.

Raidergoo · 11-22-2006, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by abailey3313

If you were a GM, you would never sign any good players.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/matthga02.shtml

Similar Batters

1. Leon Roberts (963)
2. Mike Davis (955)
3. Terrence Long (954)
4. Gabe Kapler (953)
5. Marvin Benard (951)
6. Dick Williams (947)
7. Oddibe McDowell (943)
8. Eric Hinske (943)
9. Corey Patterson (941)
10. Johnny Lindell (940)

Name a "good" player in that group. Who in that group can you build a team around?

Long is a $4.5 m player. Kapler is $750,000. Benard, at the end, was a $4.2m player. Patterson is a $2.8m player.

Let's look at Transactions:

March 23, 2000: Traded by the San Diego Padres to the Chicago Cubs for Rodney Myers.

August 10, 2001: Selected off waivers by the Pittsburgh Pirates from the Chicago Cubs.

December 28, 2001: Purchased by the New York Mets from the Pittsburgh Pirates.

April 3, 2002: Traded by the New York Mets to the Baltimore Orioles for John Bale.

May 23, 2003: Selected off waivers by the San Diego Padres from the Baltimore Orioles.

November 24, 2003: Selected off waivers by the Atlanta Braves from the San Diego Padres.

April 2, 2004: Released by the Atlanta Braves.

You mean to tell me that you can't find someone that is 95% the man that Gary Matthews Jr is for $2.5 million /yr?

APujols5 · 11-22-2006, 06:46 PM

This is possibly the worst contract ever given out in MLB.
10 mill per for a guy that has been at best a 5th OF'er for most of his career? that's ******ed.

yankeesrule · 11-23-2006, 03:01 AM

Come on, the guy did have that great catch over the wall that was shown 50 bajillion times. That was probably the most played clip of the Rangers last season. Of course he's worth $10 mil per for 5 years.

God, and here people blame the yanks for just throwing money around like its nothing. At least we haven't been dumb enough this time around to hand out any of these moronic deals.

darkenigma510 · 11-23-2006, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by yankeesrule

Come on, the guy did have that great catch over the wall that was shown 50 bajillion times. That was probably the most played clip of the Rangers last season. Of course he's worth $10 mil per for 5 years.

God, and here people blame the yanks for just throwing money around like its nothing. At least we haven't been dumb enough this time around to hand out any of these moronic deals.

Actually, the Yanks have been downright sensible.

Skipaway · 11-23-2006, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Raidergoo

You mean to tell me that you can't find someone that is 95% the man that Gary Matthews Jr is for $2.5 million /yr?

If we are talking about free agents, then no.

mlyons · 11-23-2006, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Skipaway

If we are talking about free agents, then no.

You could probably get David Dellucci or Ricky Ledee.

Cooleyvol · 11-23-2006, 08:26 AM

or me.

rocknfire7 · 11-23-2006, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by darkhorse

Anything is possible, but baseball history shows that it is much more likely that GMJ had his career year and won't be near that level of performance again.

I agree

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Originally Posted by abailey3313

If you were a GM, you would never sign any good players.

He wouldn't be wasting his money on a guy who had a career year. Therefore saving his money on players who are actually beneficial to the team long term instead of players taking the money and running like a Steve Miller song.
You'd think the owners would learn after Javy Lopez, Bobby Bonilla, and Bruce Sutter just to name a few.

Wait a minute......... were talking about people who have lots of money and no common sense....and that is the only thing that makes any sense here

Skipaway · 11-23-2006, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mlyons

You could probably get David Dellucci or Ricky Ledee.

Ricky Ledee isn't good enough, and I'd be interested to see what David Dellucci could get. He's looking for a starting spot and starter money. That was why the Phillies didn't try to re-sign him. However, now the Phillies seemed to be changing their stance.

Skipaway · 11-23-2006, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by rocknfire7

I agree

He wouldn't be wasting his money on a guy who had a career year. Therefore saving his money on players who are actually beneficial to the team long term instead of players taking the money and running like a Steve Miller song.
You'd think the owners would learn after Javy Lopez, Bobby Bonilla, and Bruce Sutter just to name a few.

Wait a minute......... were talking about people who have lots of money and no common sense....and that is the only thing that makes any sense here

Actually the price on people who didn't just have a career year would be even higher.

It's not that GMs got no common sense. It's simply that we have no real perspective of what they are doing. Your sense of value is simply derived by past baseball contracts, while GMs got better ideas of how contract value and team revenue interact.

Also all free agent contracts SHOULD be over-valued, if only for the winner's curse. If they are not, it actually means the market is not efficient.

Astros33Resurrected · 11-23-2006, 03:21 PM

hes a solid player. But 10mill a year?

11-22-2006, 05:57 PM	#27
Big Willis 16 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,616	I was hoping GMJ stood for "Greg Maddux Jr." __________________ A wise man once said "shutup and drink your beer!"

11-22-2006, 05:38 PM	#24
MuertoDesagradecido Major Leagues Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Saint Francisco Posts: 436 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	This is an absurd signing, and don't badmouth the Little Cat contract. $14m over 3 years for the big half of an outfield platoon isn't bad at all in this market.

11-22-2006, 05:41 PM	#25
Big Hugg All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2004 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 933	Catalanotto got the same contract Alex Gonzalez got. He should fire his agent given the way this off-season is going.

11-22-2006, 05:55 PM	#26
Green & Gold Heart Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 5,242	As an A's fan, this signing makes me go

11-22-2006, 06:25 PM	#28
Cooleyvol Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Union City, TN Posts: 6,383	My God...........I can play as well as GMJ. Maybe I should have filed.

11-22-2006, 06:25 PM	#29
CMH Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,057	More people should complain about this deal than they did with Alex and his 250 million. Matthews Jr. should be sentenced to 5 years in state prison for grand larceny.

11-22-2006, 06:46 PM	#31
APujols5 Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: CP Indiana Posts: 1,667 Infractions: 1/3 (3)	This is possibly the worst contract ever given out in MLB. 10 mill per for a guy that has been at best a 5th OF'er for most of his career? that's ******ed.

11-23-2006, 03:01 AM	#32
yankeesrule All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,367	Come on, the guy did have that great catch over the wall that was shown 50 bajillion times. That was probably the most played clip of the Rangers last season. Of course he's worth $10 mil per for 5 years. God, and here people blame the yanks for just throwing money around like its nothing. At least we haven't been dumb enough this time around to hand out any of these moronic deals.

11-23-2006, 08:26 AM	#36
Cooleyvol Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Union City, TN Posts: 6,383	or me.

11-23-2006, 03:21 PM	#40
Astros33Resurrected Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Lufkin, TX Posts: 2,213	hes a solid player. But 10mill a year?