Chicago White Sox 2007 Thread - Page 18

darkhorse · 06-06-2007, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Unoriginal Name

Last I checked the Amazing Rowand isn't paying dividends for the Phillies either.

Musta been awhile since that last visit.

.312/.391/.505 + excellent CF defense = happy investors

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/rowanaa01.php

eriqjaffe · 06-06-2007, 05:50 PM

Yes, Rowand is having a great year for the Phils, no doubt. Would I rather have him in the outfield than Owens/Anderson/Mackowiak/Ozuna/Sweeney? Sure.

Is he the reason the Sox didn't make the playoffs last year? No, that was because the pitching fell apart in the second half.

In current Sox news, Joe Crede has been placed on the DL due to his back troubles. Who else saw this coming when Crede refused that back surgery during the off-season?

To fill the spot, Josh Fields has been called up from Charlotte. So at least we won't have to watch Alex Cintron flail away uselessly.

Scott Podsednik will begin a rehab assignment tonight. I bet he'll be back on the DL with a groin injury by August 12.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/press_releas...tnered=rss_cws

Unoriginal Name · 06-06-2007, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by darkhorse

Musta been awhile since that last visit.

.312/.391/.505 + excellent CF defense = happy investors

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/rowanaa01.php

Oh I know he is having a good year. I just mean that in the time that he has been with the Phillies the Phillies haven't done much. He isn't the cure all that I've heard people in other places claim that he is and that things would be better for the Sox if they had kept him. He would be an improvement over their situation right now but there are many many other things wrong with this team than not having Rowand around.

Unoriginal Name · 06-06-2007, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by eriqjaffe

In current Sox news, Joe Crede has been placed on the DL due to his back troubles. Who else saw this coming when Crede refused that back surgery during the off-season?

Yeah I never understood that myself. Guess he thought that it would magically disappear.

eriqjaffe · 06-07-2007, 09:12 AM

I would imagine that he didn't want to be viewed as "post-surgery damaged goods".

Oh, yeah: Crede may have back surgery, which would likely end his 2007 season, "and possibly his White Sox career", even though the Sox control his destiny through 2008 (which everybody seems to forget). His trade value may be at an all-time low, even lower than when he was struggling offensively when he first came up.

Incidentally, Crede is the Sox' leading vote getter for the All-Star game. With the way this team has performed at the plate, I'm amazed that their own mothers would vote for the Sox this year, much less baseball fans.

Personally, I'm glad to finally see if Josh Fields can live up to KW's hype ("future All-Star"), although I doubt it.

So what happens now? All the talk/rumors/wishful thinking of getting anything of value in a trade for Crede goes from unrealistic to outright fantasy, unless the Sox keep him around for 2008 and he has a resurgence similar to what Magglio Ordoñez is having in Detroit.

More likely, the Sox will simply non-tender him and he'll go on to have a resrucence similar to what Magglio Ordoñez is having in Detroit. Or Minnesota. Or New York. Or wherever somebody's willing to roll the dice.

MattH3322 · 06-07-2007, 09:49 AM

So no Sox play will be voted in to the all-star game. But who will be the one player that will make it in? Any guesses?

My guess would be either Jenks or Thome.

Goodsox · 06-07-2007, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Unoriginal Name

Oh I know he is having a good year. I just mean that in the time that he has been with the Phillies the Phillies haven't done much. He isn't the cure all that I've heard people in other places claim that he is and that things would be better for the Sox if they had kept him. He would be an improvement over their situation right now but there are many many other things wrong with this team than not having Rowand around.

Exactly, CF is one of 10 things wrong with this team

They could have a guy hitting 30 home runs right now in CF and would still be sitting in 4th place.

Goodsox · 06-07-2007, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by MattH3322

So no Sox play will be voted in to the all-star game. But who will be the one player that will make it in? Any guesses?

My guess would be either Jenks or Thome.

I'd have to go with Jenks. There really isn't anyone deserving, but I really doubt Thome gets it since the offense has been terrible and he is a DH. There just probably won't be room for him with all of the other hitters.

eriqjaffe · 06-07-2007, 01:22 PM

I bet it'll be Jenks, Garland or Buehrle.

MattH3322 · 06-07-2007, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by eriqjaffe

I bet it'll be Jenks, Garland or Buehrle.

Garland with a 4 and 3 record and Buehrle with a 2 and 3 record. I don't see it happening unless either one of them win the rest of their games this month.

eriqjaffe · 06-07-2007, 02:13 PM

True, but it's a shame for them that Leyland may penalize them for the offense & bullpen's shortcomings. Face it, if either player had any kind of run support or relief help, they'd probably both be more like 7-2 right now.

MattH3322 · 06-07-2007, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by eriqjaffe

True, but it's a shame for them that Leyland may penalize them for the offense & bullpen's shortcomings. Face it, if either player had any kind of run support or relief help, they'd probably both be more like 7-2 right now.

very very true. If this team could hit they would probably be 5 to 10 games over right now.

Go Tribe · 06-07-2007, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by eriqjaffe

True, but it's a shame for them that Leyland may penalize them for the offense & bullpen's shortcomings. Face it, if either player had any kind of run support or relief help, they'd probably both be more like 7-2 right now.

Buehrle has two legitimate beefs for a game where he pitched great and didn't win - his 2-0 loss against Halladay and the blue jays, and his 2nd start of the season against oakland where he went 7 IP with 4 hits and 3 er

every other start he's been mediocre - a bunch of 6 inning starts with 3 or more earned runs and more hits than innings pitched

his era has gone up every start since his no hitter with the exception of that Halladay game, but then went up even more after the Yanks trounced him.

Garland on the other had has 4 wins and has 3 other games where he realistically could have expected to win - unfortunately they were all in April so Leyland's gonna have a good memory to consider that.

Jenks is the only legitimate allstar this year for the Pale Hose IMO and for a 4th place team 3 games under .500, that's to be expected

eriqjaffe · 06-08-2007, 12:07 AM

Really, what's the point? Ozzie may as well bring himself in to pitch. Once again, the bullpen let one get way, way out of control. Prinz and Bukvich sure as hell aren't the answer, unless the question is "name two guys who may make you miss MacDougal and Aardsma."

Goodsox · 06-08-2007, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by eriqjaffe

Really, what's the point? Ozzie may as well bring himself in to pitch. Once again, the bullpen let one get way, way out of control. Prinz and Bukvich sure as hell aren't the answer, unless the question is "name two guys who may make you miss MacDougal and Aardsma."

I'm going to the game tonight. I'm still not sure why I am going to waste my time and money, but maybe they will surprise me

eriqjaffe · 06-08-2007, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Goodsox

I'm going to the game tonight. I'm still not sure why I am going to waste my time and money, but maybe they will surprise me

At least the churros never disappoint.

Goodsox · 06-09-2007, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by eriqjaffe

At least the churros never disappoint.

Well, the fireworks show was good last night and so was the beer. That was about it.

Jestor · 06-09-2007, 03:51 PM

Any info on the guys the Sox drafted?

eriqjaffe · 06-09-2007, 03:53 PM

Yeah, one of them was Ozzie's son. And, apparently, a whole bunch of them are black, which ought to make Gary Sheffield happy.

eriqjaffe · 06-09-2007, 04:05 PM

dola,

Looks like somebody in the Sox PR department is missing the point:

06-06-2007, 05:50 PM	#342
eriqjaffe Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Under The Christmas Fish Posts: 7,629	Yes, Rowand is having a great year for the Phils, no doubt. Would I rather have him in the outfield than Owens/Anderson/Mackowiak/Ozuna/Sweeney? Sure. Is he the reason the Sox didn't make the playoffs last year? No, that was because the pitching fell apart in the second half. In current Sox news, Joe Crede has been placed on the DL due to his back troubles. Who else saw this coming when Crede refused that back surgery during the off-season? To fill the spot, Josh Fields has been called up from Charlotte. So at least we won't have to watch Alex Cintron flail away uselessly. Scott Podsednik will begin a rehab assignment tonight. I bet he'll be back on the DL with a groin injury by August 12. http://mlb.mlb.com/news/press_releas...tnered=rss_cws __________________

06-07-2007, 09:12 AM	#345
eriqjaffe Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Under The Christmas Fish Posts: 7,629	I would imagine that he didn't want to be viewed as "post-surgery damaged goods". Oh, yeah: Crede may have back surgery, which would likely end his 2007 season, "and possibly his White Sox career", even though the Sox control his destiny through 2008 (which everybody seems to forget). His trade value may be at an all-time low, even lower than when he was struggling offensively when he first came up. Incidentally, Crede is the Sox' leading vote getter for the All-Star game. With the way this team has performed at the plate, I'm amazed that their own mothers would vote for the Sox this year, much less baseball fans. Personally, I'm glad to finally see if Josh Fields can live up to KW's hype ("future All-Star"), although I doubt it. So what happens now? All the talk/rumors/wishful thinking of getting anything of value in a trade for Crede goes from unrealistic to outright fantasy, unless the Sox keep him around for 2008 and he has a resurgence similar to what Magglio Ordoñez is having in Detroit. More likely, the Sox will simply non-tender him and he'll go on to have a resrucence similar to what Magglio Ordoñez is having in Detroit. Or Minnesota. Or New York. Or wherever somebody's willing to roll the dice. __________________ Last edited by eriqjaffe; 06-07-2007 at 09:13 AM.

06-07-2007, 09:49 AM	#346
MattH3322 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Chicago area Posts: 752	So no Sox play will be voted in to the all-star game. But who will be the one player that will make it in? Any guesses? My guess would be either Jenks or Thome. __________________ People say us Irish have a bad reputation for drinking and fighting. It makes me so mad that I want to get drunk and punch someone.

06-07-2007, 01:22 PM	#349
eriqjaffe Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Under The Christmas Fish Posts: 7,629	I bet it'll be Jenks, Garland or Buehrle. __________________

06-07-2007, 02:13 PM	#351
eriqjaffe Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Under The Christmas Fish Posts: 7,629	True, but it's a shame for them that Leyland may penalize them for the offense & bullpen's shortcomings. Face it, if either player had any kind of run support or relief help, they'd probably both be more like 7-2 right now. __________________

06-08-2007, 12:07 AM	#354
eriqjaffe Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Under The Christmas Fish Posts: 7,629	Really, what's the point? Ozzie may as well bring himself in to pitch. Once again, the bullpen let one get way, way out of control. Prinz and Bukvich sure as hell aren't the answer, unless the question is "name two guys who may make you miss MacDougal and Aardsma." __________________

06-09-2007, 03:53 PM	#359
eriqjaffe Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Under The Christmas Fish Posts: 7,629	Yeah, one of them was Ozzie's son. And, apparently, a whole bunch of them are black, which ought to make Gary Sheffield happy. __________________

06-09-2007, 04:05 PM	#360
eriqjaffe Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Under The Christmas Fish Posts: 7,629	dola, Looks like somebody in the Sox PR department is missing the point: __________________