Utba - Page 268

mh2365 · 05-16-2007, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bigMatt

I guess I just plain don't understand this. Call ups will add a depth of management to the UTBA that we haven't had before. Moving guys up and down not only give them experience, it adds a dimension that would be a lot of fun. You have to decide, before each match, what you are going to bring to the bout. Each manager doing that leads to a lot more variables. That sounds like fun to me. Then again, I'm an adventurer at heart. But also, knowing a good thing when I'm part of it, I'll be happy regardless of what we decide.

One of my worries and this goes for the draft of players also is that there are some people who are no longer competing in this league. Isn't there at least one person who has never made a roster move or a trade or a draft pick? Do we know he is still in the league?

I think the chances of all of getting together for a draft is slim and none.

mh2365 · 05-16-2007, 11:27 PM

Off to bed for the night .. my little sister is getting married on saturday and the next 3 days is filled with family fun fun fun.

bigMatt · 05-16-2007, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

I would normally be with you on this BigMatt because I love the tactical sides of things also, but I think it would add more work for Scot plus the fact that if we were facing each other we would probably be changing our lineups all week trying to get that advantage. I suppose if the moves were kept secret until the deadline passes it could work but at this point I dont want Scot to have to deal with this. Plus I think certain owners wont want to deal with having to get lineups in each week and become frustrated with all this extra activity.

First, Scot is proposing this. Based on what I've read so far, it seems he wants to do it this way. And I like his proposal as is.

Second, yes, your changes should be kept secret. And I think the change should be once only for each match.

Third, the owners that don't want to change lineups from week to week don't have to. It's like most other sports leagues I've been in - some move guys up and down, others don't. There are definite merits to either strategy.

bigMatt · 05-16-2007, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

One of my worries and this goes for the draft of players also is that there are some people who are no longer competing in this league. Isn't there at least one person who has never made a roster move or a trade or a draft pick? Do we know he is still in the league?

I think the chances of all of getting together for a draft is slim and none.

Mike, that is a good point definitely.

jbergey22 · 05-16-2007, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

One of my worries and this goes for the draft of players also is that there are some people who are no longer competing in this league. Isn't there at least one person who has never made a roster move or a trade or a draft pick? Do we know he is still in the league?

I think the chances of all of getting together for a draft is slim and none.

The initial draft plan is that it would take place over the course of season 5 so that people wouldnt have to be around for another draft. I figure we have 3 months until season 6 that should give us plenty of time to complete an 8 round draft.

Which actually brings up something else I thought of. If this does get passed, do we need to put a freeze on certain free agents being picked up by owners during the period of this rookie draft. Maybe freeze every fighter that hasnt participated in a match or something of that nature. I think there should be enough vets in there that this wouldnt be a problem.

Romdawg88 · 05-16-2007, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

One of my worries and this goes for the draft of players also is that there are some people who are no longer competing in this league. Isn't there at least one person who has never made a roster move or a trade or a draft pick? Do we know he is still in the league?

I think the chances of all of getting together for a draft is slim and none.

Tosti is the only one who hasn't made a draft pick so far I think but he's still active in the league. He completely revamped his team last offseason and he votes in all most of the polls. Still I think your right that it'll be close to impossible to get everyone together for the draft. So I think that SAL should switch back to way he was originally going to do the selection process which was the same how we selected teams in the first place. Have everyone send in a PM with their rosters and then strike out duplicates and have those resent.

EDIT: I just read Jeremy's post and if it's going to be done over the course of the season then the draft system would work fine.

SAL · 05-16-2007, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by bigMatt

First, Scot is proposing this. Based on what I've read so far, it seems he wants to do it this way. And I like his proposal as is.

I proposed this on my behalf and jbergey's as well. The two of us butted heads putting this thing together and this is basically his and my proposal togehter.

If we did the unlimited call-ups, I would have to set a date as to when you had to have your call-ups PM'd to me. Unlike the waivers though, I'd ask that you send me an entire list of who you were calling up and sending down all at once while keeping your roster at or below cap.

bigMatt · 05-16-2007, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SAL

I proposed this on my behalf and jbergey's as well. The two of us butted heads putting this thing together and this is basically his and my proposal togehter.

If we did the unlimited call-ups, I would have to set a date as to when you had to have your call-ups PM'd to me. Unlike the waivers though, I'd ask that you send me an entire list of who you were calling up and sending down all at once while keeping your roster at or below cap.

And that's the only way it could work. Agree 100%

lethal liberal · 05-16-2007, 11:47 PM

After reading all the previous posts(had not really read up on all this before my last post),I can see how it would not be fair for great fighters just starting to be fighting against prime guys and that really kills my whole theory on my last post about the records and comparing fighters from different eras of UTBA. I must say this though,anything that will take work off of SAL, and if he wants this to happen...well,I say count me in. I really do not know how Sal and Dave(stats)do it! Anything that will help them is OK by me. Whatever you guys decide...this ole boy will be fine with it! You can always count on Left Jab being there....right at the bottom of the standings..LOL. Hopefully no more! See ya guys.

Romdawg88 · 05-16-2007, 11:48 PM

I see no problem with the original idea of having the cutoff date for moves being week 10. In fact I'm in favor of that unlimited call-ups with a deadline of week 10.

SAL · 05-16-2007, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

Which actually brings up something else I thought of. If this does get passed, do we need to put a freeze on certain free agents being picked up by owners during the period of this rookie draft. Maybe freeze every fighter that hasnt participated in a match or something of that nature. I think there should be enough vets in there that this wouldnt be a problem.

I'd say no to the freeze. We would just have to hold the draft rounds during periods when the waiver wire was closed.

bigMatt · 05-16-2007, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by lethal liberal

right at the bottom of the standings..LOL. Hopefully no more!

No worries dude. You have at least one former Beaver on your team - Luis Maldonado - at worst, you will be second to last.

lethal liberal · 05-17-2007, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by bigMatt

No worries dude. You have at least one former Beaver on your team - Luis Maldonado - at worst, you will be second to last.

LOL..yeah. Luis is a very good 6. I think that I improved during the second half of last season. My lineup looks pretty good on paper,but of course I said that last year as well. Most of my guys are pre-prime or prime and the beginners are for the most part pretty good fighters. Who knows how this season is gonna turnout?! Outside of a couple of teams,most made significant changes. Should be fun anyway,hopefully some of that Beaver magic will rub off. By the way,did Gomez fight for you or was he just an offseason addition? Octavio Gomez.

Claybor · 05-17-2007, 12:22 AM

I Have no problem with the proposal if it is really wanted, but I think it adds unneeded complexity to what is right now a fairly simple and fun league. I don't see the need for it, nor do I want to juggle my roster from match to match to be honest. If this rule is implemented I think it will force teams to make changes weekly or be at a disadvantage against those that do. As far as beginning and pre-primes getting beat up on the way up, well that's already begun so this will cause some definite inconsistency in the stats.

bigMatt · 05-17-2007, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by lethal liberal

Should be fun anyway,hopefully some of that Beaver magic will rub off. By the way,did Gomez fight for you or was he just an offseason addition? Octavio Gomez.

Oh, that's right! You should be golden my friend.

Bronx Bomber 15 · 05-17-2007, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by lethal liberal

... You can always count on Left Jab being there....right at the bottom of the standings..LOL. Hopefully no more! See ya guys.

Watch your back my friend...The Guards are knocking right on that last place door

. One of the reasons I limited my moves this off season, maybe less is more.

bigMatt · 05-17-2007, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Bronx Bomber 15

Watch your back my friend...The Guards are knocking right on that last place door

. One of the reasons I limited my moves this off season, maybe less is more.

and no Beavers.

SAL · 05-17-2007, 01:26 AM

ROSTER CUTS

Oakland Assassins release:

WW (11)Billy Graham 11-3-6 (1) *pre-prime
Fly (4)Freddie Castillo 25-43-6 (13) *PRIME

Tomato City releases:

WW (5)Fausto Rodriguez 33-45-1 (23) *PRIME
FW (7)Patrick Ford 43-33-4 (19) *PRIME
FLY (7)Charlie Magri 46-32-8 (27) *PRIME

The Nobodies release:

MW (5)Sugar Boy Nando 3-17-0 (1) *pre-prime
WW (7)Mike Sullivan 4-13-3 (3) *pre-prime
BW (4)Gerry Penalosa 4-15-1 (2) *pre-prime

The Bald Beavers release:

HW (8)Tommy Burns 7-13-0 (2) *pre-prime
FW (5)Sornpichai Kratingdaenggym 0-0-0 (0) *beginning
Fly (1)Mercurio Ciaramitaro 1-34-1 (1) *pre-prime
Fly (3)Yukito Tamakuma 8-26-0 (4) *pre-prime

TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT

The Nobodies send FW (2)Jackie Turpin 4-20-0 (2) *pre-prime to the Bald Beavers in exchange for BW (5)Hideyasu Ishihara 0-0-0 (0) *beginning

SAL · 05-17-2007, 02:42 AM

I have posted a poll to vote on whether or not we should use a Minor League for the UTBA. The poll will close in six days. I have sent out PMs to all owners including myself reminding you to vote.

I made three changes to the original rules that were first posted here in this thread and left the rules of the Minors open to change if the proposal should pass.

Please post any comments concerning this issue in the voting thread.

JCWeb · 05-17-2007, 10:29 AM

These guys are probably going to wind up being dumped into the free agent pool to clear some Cap space, but if anyone is interested, PM me with your best offer (all are at Pre Prime):

Paul Smallman, LH (2)
Jimmy Flood, MW (3)
Mustapha Hamsho, MW (6)
Jose Baret, WW (3)
Pone Kingpetch, FLY (7)

05-16-2007, 11:47 PM	#5349
lethal liberal All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Logan,WV Posts: 1,145	After reading all the previous posts(had not really read up on all this before my last post),I can see how it would not be fair for great fighters just starting to be fighting against prime guys and that really kills my whole theory on my last post about the records and comparing fighters from different eras of UTBA. I must say this though,anything that will take work off of SAL, and if he wants this to happen...well,I say count me in. I really do not know how Sal and Dave(stats)do it! Anything that will help them is OK by me. Whatever you guys decide...this ole boy will be fine with it! You can always count on Left Jab being there....right at the bottom of the standings..LOL. Hopefully no more! See ya guys. __________________ Member of UTBA Coach of Left Jab Inc (You have to be great to be consistently mediocre) Title Bout devotee since 79 The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have little. FDR

05-16-2007, 11:48 PM	#5350
Romdawg88 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Belle Glade, FL Posts: 4,182	I see no problem with the original idea of having the cutoff date for moves being week 10. In fact I'm in favor of that unlimited call-ups with a deadline of week 10. __________________ Romy "Iceman" Alvarez First TBCB Forum Tournament Champion, 10-6 (5). IBL: 13 - 4 (7) Henry Armstrong > You.

05-17-2007, 01:26 AM	#5358
SAL Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Joplin MO Posts: 5,732	ROSTER CUTS Oakland Assassins release: WW (11)Billy Graham 11-3-6 (1) pre-prime Fly (4)Freddie Castillo 25-43-6 (13) PRIME Tomato City releases: WW (5)Fausto Rodriguez 33-45-1 (23) PRIME FW (7)Patrick Ford 43-33-4 (19) PRIME FLY (7)Charlie Magri 46-32-8 (27) PRIME The Nobodies release:* MW (5)Sugar Boy Nando 3-17-0 (1) pre-prime WW (7)Mike Sullivan 4-13-3 (3) pre-prime BW (4)Gerry Penalosa 4-15-1 (2) pre-prime The Bald Beavers release:* HW (8)Tommy Burns 7-13-0 (2) pre-prime FW (5)Sornpichai Kratingdaenggym 0-0-0 (0) beginning Fly (1)Mercurio Ciaramitaro 1-34-1 (1) pre-prime Fly (3)Yukito Tamakuma 8-26-0 (4) pre-prime TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT The Nobodies send FW (2)Jackie Turpin 4-20-0 (2) pre-prime to the Bald Beavers in exchange for BW (5)Hideyasu Ishihara 0-0-0 (0) beginning Last edited by SAL; 05-17-2007 at 01:50 AM.

05-17-2007, 10:29 AM	#5360
JCWeb Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,097	More Playboys on the Block These guys are probably going to wind up being dumped into the free agent pool to clear some Cap space, but if anyone is interested, PM me with your best offer (all are at Pre Prime): Paul Smallman, LH (2) Jimmy Flood, MW (3) Mustapha Hamsho, MW (6) Jose Baret, WW (3) Pone Kingpetch, FLY (7)

05-16-2007, 11:27 PM	#5342
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	Off to bed for the night .. my little sister is getting married on saturday and the next 3 days is filled with family fun fun fun.

05-17-2007, 12:22 AM	#5354
Claybor All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 1,360 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	I Have no problem with the proposal if it is really wanted, but I think it adds unneeded complexity to what is right now a fairly simple and fun league. I don't see the need for it, nor do I want to juggle my roster from match to match to be honest. If this rule is implemented I think it will force teams to make changes weekly or be at a disadvantage against those that do. As far as beginning and pre-primes getting beat up on the way up, well that's already begun so this will cause some definite inconsistency in the stats.

05-17-2007, 02:42 AM	#5359
SAL Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Joplin MO Posts: 5,732	I have posted a poll to vote on whether or not we should use a Minor League for the UTBA. The poll will close in six days. I have sent out PMs to all owners including myself reminding you to vote. I made three changes to the original rules that were first posted here in this thread and left the rules of the Minors open to change if the proposal should pass. Please post any comments concerning this issue in the voting thread.